@ByScottPowers
Looking through some season numbers. Kane has a 25.0 Corsi percentage with Anisimov and a 51.8 percentage away from him.

But then you'll be too tired to (frank) cows... or something
- kinigitt

- DarthKane

I know he plays both center and wing. Is he full time C in colorado?
- JRoenick97

Have not seen one game of them yet, so where he is being deployed this year I have no idea, but he's a beast in the circles and is a legit 200 foot player. NO, he's not McDavid/Crosby good, but he's a hell of a player. Not sure why he wouldn't be playing at least L2-C behind McKinnon over there.

James Neal reportedly will be traded before the deadline. Big, physical winger that goes the net, plays on the edge, and can snipe like the best of them.....

Neal -Schmaltz - Kane ????
- EnzoD

Jfyi in that article, there's no mention of Dreger saying anything about Neal. Dreger did say something, that article just didn't mention him in relation to Neal. He is what Dreger actually said:

“Or we talked about the Vegas Golden Knights – what about James Neal? He’s going to be a pending unrestricted free agent. His name, to some degree, is out there. Not that they’re shopping him, but why wouldn’t you want to trade James Neal to try and get something sweet back before the February 26 trade deadline. If he’s a roaring success in Vegas, then sign him back as an unrestricted free agent.”

So it's really just Dreger saying that Neal could be a trade target because of his pending FA status, not that he's definitely going to be moved. So he's pretty much said the same thing anyone with access to CapFriendly has said.

Looking through some season numbers. Kane has a 25.0 Corsi percentage with Anisimov and a 51.8 percentage away from him.
- JRoenick97

Small sample size. Small sample size. Small sample size.

I like Powers, but I need him to be better in this regard if he's going to pretend he knows poop. He often quotes shot metrics and then ignores when people point out he's reading them wrong or ignoring context.

- DarthKane

Don't remember the bull joke? Ahhh nevermind then.

Small sample size. Small sample size. Small sample size.

I like Powers, but I need him to be better in this regard if he's going to pretend he knows poop. He often quotes shot metrics and then ignores when people point out he's reading them wrong or ignoring context.
- L_B_R

Size doesn't matter

Jfyi in that article, there's no mention of Dreger saying anything about Neal. Dreger did say something, that article just didn't mention him in relation to Neal. He is what Dreger actually said:

“Or we talked about the Vegas Golden Knights – what about James Neal? He’s going to be a pending unrestricted free agent. His name, to some degree, is out there. Not that they’re shopping him, but why wouldn’t you want to trade James Neal to try and get something sweet back before the February 26 trade deadline. If he’s a roaring success in Vegas, then sign him back as an unrestricted free agent.”

So it's really just Dreger saying that Neal could be a trade target because of his pending FA status, not that he's definitely going to be moved. So he's pretty much said the same thing anyone with access to CapFriendly has said.
- L_B_R

Of course. And another thing L_B_R...if Vegas stays in the hunt then WHY would they even entertain trading him? And right now, we don't know if they will or won't stay in the race. It's only 3 games in and 3-0 means nothing, but ya never know. Fluery is obviously playing at a high level so he may can steal a bunch of games for them this year. Stay in the playoff race and make a run would be a boom for that franchise and its fans...ZERO chance they'd take that and poop it away on a TDL deal. YES, if they fall out who knows...but only at that point.

Small sample size. Small sample size. Small sample size.

I like Powers, but I need him to be better in this regard if he's going to pretend he knows poop. He often quotes shot metrics and then ignores when people point out he's reading them wrong or ignoring context.
- L_B_R

How about the eye test then? Since AA has moved onto that line, it has been junk. 8/38/88 were rolling...now it stinks. 8 is gone, 15 is in. I mean whats the common denominator here? AA needs to be plodding along on the third line. Either that or deploy him with two ELITE wingers....Hartman is not as good as Panarin and thus Line 2 needs more speed and skill to make up for Hartman a bit, which is why 8 took that spot. I think 15 is a good fit with 10 and 12....they have the speed and skill while AA can create some space and give net presence.

Apparently, neither do the officials.

From the 2017-2018 Official NHL Rule Book
Rule 83.1 (page 134 of the 229 page PDF):

"If a player legally carries or passes the puck back into his own defending zone while a player of the opposing team is in such defending zone, the off-side shall be ignored and play permitted to continue."

Apparently, it was determined by the morons wearing stripes that Seabrook carried or passed the puck into his zone.

Wonder what the NHL definition of "carry" is? Apparently nothing more than it touching you. Thought "carry" meant you HAD TO HAVE CONTROL of the puck, not have it bounce off you.

(frank)tards.
- savvyone-1

The really important point here is that the weirdos in Toronto CONTINUE TO USE THAT DEFINITION FROM NOW ON SO THAT YOU DON'T GET A PENALTY BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T READ THE MIND OF THE (frank)ING OFFICIAL

But I doubt that will happen because Steven Walcom

Of course. And another thing L_B_R...if Vegas stays in the hunt then WHY would they even entertain trading him? And right now, we don't know if they will or won't stay in the race. It's only 3 games in and 3-0 means nothing, but ya never know. Fluery is obviously playing at a high level so he may can steal a bunch of games for them this year. Stay in the playoff race and make a run would be a boom for that franchise and its fans...ZERO chance they'd take that and poop it away on a TDL deal. YES, if they fall out who knows...but only at that point.
- kwolf68

It depends on what Vegas wants out of this season and/or whether they think they can sign Neal to another season.

If Vegas is looking to recoup more picks/prospects rather than really contend this year, Neal at the TDL is going to pull in a hefty amount of both from a team looking for a rental. A lot of people thought that's why they picked up guys like Neal and Perron, so they could be later flipped when the asking price is the highest. If Vegas does want to contend this year but feel like they're not going to be able to re-sign Neal, they may move him before they can lose him for nothing.

So there are reasons that moving Neal would be smart, but it's much too early in the year for anyone to really know what Vegas' plans are in regards to Neal. Dreger certainly didn't say he knew - he just was thinking about the possibility and how Neal has some obvs interest from other teams.

Not a fan of Hartman Kero Kane. Good kids that are solid NHLers but that is a lot for Kane to carry.
- bhawks2241

This. He needs skill with him to help out.

Small sample size. Small sample size. Small sample size.

I like Powers, but I need him to be better in this regard if he's going to pretend he knows poop. He often quotes shot metrics and then ignores when people point out he's reading them wrong or ignoring context.
- L_B_R

Of course, as I put that, he shows lance bouma being over 50% in Corsi saying he's doing well. I replied that it has to do with his deployment against low QOC.

The really important point here is that the weirdos in Toronto CONTINUE TO USE THAT DEFINITION FROM NOW ON SO THAT YOU DON'T GET A PENALTY BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T READ THE MIND OF THE (frank)ING OFFICIAL

But I doubt that will happen because Steven Walcom
- Hawkjet

Oh, it was Walcom? Enough said. Guy robbed us of TWO game winning goals in the playoffs vs Detroit. I hate that guy.

, ...the only way to improve is to play the kids...

- jhawk59[img][/img]

Yes. Get them as much experience as possible to prepare them for the playoffs. Sure, they sometimes make bad turnovers and bad decisions, but so do veteran core players (last night Keith, Kane and Seebs.)

I think John Hayden is emerging as another leader of the team and one who (like Sharp) will help bridge the gap between the older and younger players. I recall a quote by his Yale coach saying that he was the best leader he had come across in his many years in the game. The determination/take no prisoners attitude he showed from Day 1 in training camp to make the Hawks, his recognition that the Hawks badly needed a hard hitting body checker/tough guy to prevent other teams from running the Hawks' stars and his willingness and ability to fulfill that role, has/will earn him the respect of ALL of his teammates and makes the Hawks a different team than the one that was run out of the rink by the Preds last year.

Saturday's game should be exciting. I hope Schmaltz (another "kid") is back, as he makes the Hawks a much faster, more balanced and dangerous team.

Oh, it was Walcom? Enough said. Guy robbed us of TWO game winning goals in the playoffs vs Detroit. I hate that guy.
- JRoenick97

Walcom is director of officiating in the WWE...er nhl

It depends on what Vegas wants out of this season and/or whether they think they can sign Neal to another season.

If Vegas is looking to recoup more picks/prospects rather than really contend this year, Neal at the TDL is going to pull in a hefty amount of both from a team looking for a rental. A lot of people thought that's why they picked up guys like Neal and Perron, so they could be later flipped when the asking price is the highest. If Vegas does want to contend this year but feel like they're not going to be able to re-sign Neal, they may move him before they can lose him for nothing.

So there are reasons that moving Neal would be smart, but it's much too early in the year for anyone to really know what Vegas' plans are in regards to Neal. Dreger certainly didn't say he knew - he just was thinking about the possibility and how Neal has some obvs interest from other teams.
- L_B_R

That is exactly what I said. Their plans will be dictated simply by how well they do this year. If they are in the race he's not going to be traded. Thus, at this time he is NOT on the vine, he has NOT been marketed and NO ONE in the Vegas organization has told ANYONE he is being moved. Logic tells me this. His face is all over that franchise, a brand new franchise who is starting strong with some good vibes going there. You do NOT market that player at this time, EVER. YES, as I SAID if they tank before the deadline McPhee will shop him and likely ask for a King's ransom, because he's McPhee and what will happen is no one will pay his price and he'll lose him anyway.

The moral of this story is this is a NON issue to discuss (Neal being traded here) and I don't think we need a winger anyway given our question marks elsewhere so it's even LESS of a pressing issue, but some people love to do XBOX LIVE Blackhawks management....

Lets put our heads together and come up with the most unrealistic trade scenarios we can come up with

How about the eye test then? Since AA has moved onto that line, it has been junk. 8/38/88 were rolling...now it stinks. 8 is gone, 15 is in. I mean whats the common denominator here? AA needs to be plodding along on the third line. Either that or deploy him with two ELITE wingers....Hartman is not as good as Panarin and thus Line 2 needs more speed and skill to make up for Hartman a bit, which is why 8 took that spot. I think 15 is a good fit with 10 and 12....they have the speed and skill while AA can create some space and give net presence.
- kwolf68

It sound like your argument is actually that the line is bad, not that AA-Kane is a bad combo. Because we know the latter isn't true, and a line isn't just 2 forwards. Balance of a full 3 player line matters and the addition of Hartman does not work. So if Q wants to keep AA-Kane together while Schmaltz is out, he should have changed the winger (Sharp, most likely); if he didn't want to break up Hartman-Kane, he should have picked a center that could transition more (Kero, I guess).

Though tbf the sample is still small and this is missing context of usage / deployment. We have no idea how Hartman-AA-Kane would do if given the same deployment that Hartman-Schmaltz-Kane was given the first couple of games with a lot of OZ because Q kept putting him in the DZ. So there really is no common denominator because more than one variable in a single player was changed between the two lines.

Walcom is director of officiating in the WWE...er nhl
- Hawkjet

That does not make me comfortable with any reviews the Hawks will get.

I am amused thinking about where DeBrincat fits in the order of shooters in a shootout. Also if Sharp is less the skilled shooter at his age than the period - of - time before he played in Dallas.

(One, and only one, comment on the non-call: the NHL remains the WWE of "top" pro sports. What a joke. Get your act together, please.)

Just quoting to agree. The officiating was horrible in the Blues/Panthers game last night as well. (Luckily it was fair officiating, they made and missed ridiculous calls on both teams pretty equally there.) But the officiating is starting to get embarrassing. NHL really needs a major shift to get things right more consistently.

Of course, as I put that, he shows lance bouma being over 50% in Corsi saying he's doing well. I replied that it has to do with his deployment against low QOC.
- JRoenick97

His deployment in the OZS too.

It's funny to me - some people dislike stats because people misuse them, like Powers tbh. I just dislike the person misusing the stats. Though only in this regard, I like Powers in general and esp his coverage of prospects, though he could do better when people point out his mistakes in terms of presenting numbers (BlackhawksBreakdown has shown me email exchanges with him that are infuriating lol).

5 games in. You'd think around the 50 mark most of those errors are going away.

Well it seems a bit of a grey area. What exactly does "Legally carries or passes" mean? Clearly he didn't "pass" it, but I mean he did possess the puck when he lost it and it went off his skate into the zone, correct? Could that be construed as "legally carries"? Not sure. He was the last one to possess and touch the puck, so whatever that's worth.
- MnGump

Minnie seems to get away with this way too many times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU4W7JL2Ze0