It's risen it's ridiculous head again. Who comes up with these terms? Twitter seems to be quite the cesspool.
- Marwood

Get used to it NFU will be adding it to his playbook

I am just blow away that the world is in a massive lock down, the highest educated virologist in the world are all in agreement regarding the severity of this virus.

But here we have these so called Google conspiracy experts on a hockey blog that not only dispute the data by experts that spent years honing their education, but openly mock anyone that tries to understand their nonsensical stance on the pandemic severity. Alberta reports more people have died from Covid in 10 months than 10 years of influenza, but nope, better dispute that, better challenge the figure, better challenge the health authority, I'm right their wrong...wholly (frank), I'm stunned.

This isn't a world conspiracy, my God to have the majority of the world in lockdown but have these rednecks dispute the experts really boggles my mind. How the hell did the world manage to come together to set up such an health and economic conspiracy to make the rich richer and screw with the redneck community.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but as far as I'm concerned they should shut the (frank) up, and realize these experts aren't truck drivers or house builders for a living, but highly trained, highly educated experts that world leaders rely on, all except Dumbass Trump.
- Makita

Yes, it's a fast moving virus that is really dangerous to the elderly and those with underlying health concerns.

But a suicide is not a covid death, perhaps if they'd publish the actual data there'd be less skepticism. They are counting them as covid deaths though.

If they wouldn't be obscuring the raw data I'd be less skeptical, I haven't said anything that isn't a known fact despite what it sounds like.

2 deaths outside of care homes in BC as told by Dr. Bonnie on Wednesday.

I'm not saying it's not real, I'm saying it's not a bad as it's made out to look.

Yes, it's a fast moving virus that is really dangerous to the elderly and those with underlying health concerns.

But a suicide is not a covid death, perhaps if they'd publish the actual data there'd be less skepticism. They are counting them as covid deaths though.

If they wouldn't be obscuring the raw data I'd be less skeptical, I haven't said anything that isn't a known fact despite what it sounds like.

2 deaths outside of care homes in BC as told by Dr. Bonnie on Wednesday.

I'm not saying it's not real, I'm saying it's not a bad as it's made out to look.
- Pres.cup

Then stop your childish screaming & yelling about the ferries.

Yes, it's a fast moving virus that is really dangerous to the elderly and those with underlying health concerns.

But a suicide is not a covid death, perhaps if they'd publish the actual data there'd be less skepticism. They are counting them as covid deaths though.

If they wouldn't be obscuring the raw data I'd be less skeptical, I haven't said anything that isn't a known fact despite what it sounds like.

2 deaths outside of care homes in BC as told by Dr. Bonnie on Wednesday.

I'm not saying it's not real, I'm saying
- Pres.cup

Every health authority handles their policies and protocols within their jurisdictions how best they determine.

You can certainly criticize how each province implements those guidelines, but the intent is to reduce transmission. Numbers are climbing not declining, do you actually think it’s feasible to gown and mask every visitor to a care home or hospital.

I disagree with your inference that “ it's not a bad as it's made out to look.” It is, this isn’t a world wide health conspiracy, there are 1.68 million dead in ten months worldwide, (subtract your suicides, already dead people that have Covid and any other factor) and it still adds up to 1.68 million deaths.

it’s unfortunate you feel emotional about being inconvenienced because it is only old people dying and only 2 of those outside care house provincial, you having to follow Transport Canada regulations on board a passenger carrying ferry, other people not being allowed access to infected care wards, whatever the injustice you feel is restrictive of anyone’s personal “wants”.

Regardless of the limitations to your personal freedoms you feel are being infringed upon, I’m thankful of the effort and personal sacrifice by our health authority and our health providers.

Every health authority handles their policies and protocols within their jurisdictions how best they determine.

You can certainly criticize how each province implements those guidelines, but the intent is to reduce transmission. Numbers are climbing not declining, do you actually think it’s feasible to gown and mask every visitor to a care home or hospital.

I disagree with your inference that “ it's not a bad as it's made out to look.” It is, this isn’t a world wide health conspiracy, there are 1.68 million dead in ten months worldwide, (subtract your suicides, already dead people that have Covid and any other factor) and it still adds up to 1.68 million deaths.

it’s unfortunate you feel emotional about being inconvenienced because it is only old people dying and only 2 of those outside care house provincial, you having to follow Transport Canada regulations on board a passenger carrying ferry, other people not being allowed access to infected care wards, whatever the injustice you feel is restrictive of anyone’s personal “wants”.

Regardless of the limitations to your personal freedoms you feel are being infringed upon, I’m thankful of the effort and personal sacrifice by our health authority and our health providers.
- Makita

Outside of care homes, 2 people have died in BC!

2 people, yet it's against the law to go have Christmas, again, 2 people have died outside of care homes!

The "other" people not being allowed into care homes doesn't refer to infected care homes, it refers to any care home.

Educate yourselves on the subject before you dismiss it out of hand. There are fundamental issues happening, including but not limited to the current practice of sedating the elderly in order to not have to deal with them during the crisis. Please also note that I never said that it wasn't a crises, it is, the response is just fundamentally flawed and lazy. https://infotel.ca/newsit...ial-family-visits/it74856

The issue of sedation in care facilities isn't new and is a long term social issue that is being ignored due to the pandemic.
https://www.capitaldaily....ychotics-care-homes-drugs

On a local, BC level, I do not see how you could disagree that is not being made out to be worse then it is, the ICUs are not full, we don't have people dying because of lack of access. We have had 2 people die, out of millions of people, outside of long term care homes.

Our average death rate in long term care homes is double that of the Canadian average, how is that taking care of our elderly? It's not, and by defending the current regime you're not holding them accountable for the travesty that's occurring. Twice as many elderly in care homes dying per capita then elsewhere in Canada.

Ignoring the issues and allowing your ears to be filled with static let's them get away with poor levels of care for the elderly.

You talk about rising numbers yet live on the island, 5 per day is the increase, such is a decrease in active cases from what it was a month ago, things are working yet the restrictions are still firm, why? Because it's easier to restrict the whole province then to actually do targeted works to reduce the effect of the pandemic.

Here's what experts in the field of epidemiology have to say. https://gbdeclaration.org/

I have changed my mind several times about many aspects of this as more information has become available, the provincial government disagree with transport Canada about the ferry issue.

Without accurate statistics the number of actual dead people cannot be counted, i don't believe the numbers because we're not being told the actual number of covid causes deaths. I also think in places like China the reported numbers are shamefully low and inaccurate. But until stats Canada released actual covid death statistics I cannot agree one way or another that is more or less serious then it's being proclaimed.
In Canada the total death rate is 8.3 per 100,000. In 2018 it was 8.5 per 100,000.
Why is it statistically less during a global pandemic and why are the actual numbers not being reported? At the very least, with actual numbers, the conspiracy theorists wouldn't be able to say things like the numbers don't add up.

Critical thinking is important, I never said it earn by a dangerous virus, I did say the numbers don't add up and the fear that's being peddled is inconsistent with the reality that's occurring.

Essay over, don't pigeonhole me as a conspiracy nutter, I'm a statistic nerd and the numbers are telling a different story which requires more information.

Then stop your childish screaming & yelling about the ferries.
- Marwood

Did you read anything about the ferries over the past week? No, quit your circular arguments and look at the actual numbers. Confirmation bias is real, try to avoid it.

Did you read anything about the ferries over the past week? No, quit your circular arguments and look at the actual numbers. Confirmation bias is real, try to avoid it.
- Pres.cup

If the virus isn't that bad then why are you acting like a petulant child when it comes to the ferries? You are a very loud hypocrite.

If the virus isn't that bad then why are you acting like a petulant child when it comes to the ferries? You are a very loud hypocrite.
- Marwood

The government disagrees with you about the ferry.

Again, when, over the last week, have I been female doging about the ferry? Funny thing about opinions man, those who can change their minds are more evolved then those who fixate on singular details.

As I expressed above, the virus is very dangerous to certain demographics, but not all. When was the last time you looked at this subject critically, with a skeptical eye? Or do you prefer your news be spoon fed so that you don't need to think for yourself?

The stats do not add up, do you think that they do?
does the province seem to be responding as if only 2 people died outside of care homes to date?
Do you think that the care homes are doing the right thing by sedating their patients to ensure compliance?
Strange times when normal people can't seem to think for themselves around those subjects without getting triggered into accusing others of being wing nuts....

1/10 Albertans have the virus, that's Cowboy mentality. LH Thinks I'm picking on Albertans, actually I'm picking on stupid people who don't follow the rules, doesn't matter where you're from

From Lord H, about the Penticton fires, while water bombers were trying to navigate around the tourists on the lake despite BC Wildfire requests.....


And on the forest fire thing in BC...look inwards. Authorities noted a few years back that the majority of those fires are deliberately set (like in California) by the eco terrorists and the whiners trying to push the climate change bukllsh*it agendas. Why should Albertans or other folks worry about that and what we can't control? Really? You're going to whine about people water-skiing lol...

1/10 Albertans have the virus, that's Cowboy mentality. LH Thinks I'm picking on Albertans, actually I'm picking on stupid people who don't follow the rules, doesn't matter where you're from
- VanHockeyGuy

Wear a mask, wash your damn hands.

Iceland showed 91 percent effective antibodies after recovering from Covid. At least those 10 percent will have a level of immunity and shouldn't keep passing it around.

You feeling better?

From Lord H, about the Penticton fires, while water bombers were trying to navigate around the tourists on the lake despite BC Wildfire requests.....


And on the forest fire thing in BC...look inwards. Authorities noted a few years back that the majority of those fires are deliberately set (like in California) by the eco terrorists and the whiners trying to push the climate change bukllsh*it agendas. Why should Albertans or other folks worry about that and what we can't control? Really? You're going to whine about people water-skiing lol...
- VanHockeyGuy

Don't lump me in, I may agree on some things but I'm not a Cowboy

Outside of care homes, 2 people have died in BC!

2 people, yet it's against the law to go have Christmas, again, 2 people have died outside of care homes!

The "other" people not being allowed into care homes doesn't refer to infected care homes, it refers to any care home.

Educate yourselves on the subject before you dismiss it out of hand. There are fundamental issues happening, including but not limited to the current practice of sedating the elderly in order to not have to deal with them during the crisis. Please also note that I never said that it wasn't a crises, it is, the response is just fundamentally flawed and lazy. https://infotel.ca/newsit...ial-family-visits/it74856

The issue of sedation in care facilities isn't new and is a long term social issue that is being ignored due to the pandemic.
https://www.capitaldaily....ychotics-care-homes-drugs

On a local, BC level, I do not see how you could disagree that is not being made out to be worse then it is, the ICUs are not full, we don't have people dying because of lack of access. We have had 2 people die, out of millions of people, outside of long term care homes.

Our average death rate in long term care homes is double that of the Canadian average, how is that taking care of our elderly? It's not, and by defending the current regime you're not holding them accountable for the travesty that's occurring. Twice as many elderly in care homes dying per capita then elsewhere in Canada.

Ignoring the issues and allowing your ears to be filled with static let's them get away with poor levels of care for the elderly.

You talk about rising numbers yet live on the island, 5 per day is the increase, such is a decrease in active cases from what it was a month ago, things are working yet the restrictions are still firm, why? Because it's easier to restrict the whole province then to actually do targeted works to reduce the effect of the pandemic.

Here's what experts in the field of epidemiology have to say. https://gbdeclaration.org/

I have changed my mind several times about many aspects of this as more information has become available, the provincial government disagree with transport Canada about the ferry issue.

Without accurate statistics the number of actual dead people cannot be counted, i don't believe the numbers because we're not being told the actual number of covid causes deaths. I also think in places like China the reported numbers are shamefully low and inaccurate. But until stats Canada released actual covid death statistics I cannot agree one way or another that is more or less serious then it's being proclaimed.
In Canada the total death rate is 8.3 per 100,000. In 2018 it was 8.5 per 100,000.
Why is it statistically less during a global pandemic and why are the actual numbers not being reported? At the very least, with actual numbers, the conspiracy theorists wouldn't be able to say things like the numbers don't add up.

Critical thinking is important, I never said it earn by a dangerous virus, I did say the numbers don't add up and the fear that's being peddled is inconsistent with the reality that's occurring.

Essay over, don't pigeonhole me as a conspiracy nutter, I'm a statistic nerd and the numbers are telling a different story which requires more information.
- Pres.cup

Alrighty then, obviously the measures being taken to reduce transmission of the virus (worldwide) does not meet your expectations.

Carry on being you, (daily posts of how your poor freedoms are infringed upon) and I’ll carry on being me (two posts in the last month wholeheartedly disagreeing).

I’ll concede, it’s all one big conspiracy to impinge on everyone’s freedoms, to bring the entire worlds economies to their knees. How did Justin or John Horgan not bring you on as a well informed source is mind blowing.

I’m out, and it’s not because of mean posters.

I have one question for Lord H. How old are you?

Alrighty then, obviously the measures being taken to reduce transmission of the virus (worldwide) does not meet your expectations.

Carry on being you, (daily posts of how your poor freedoms are infringed upon) and I’ll carry on being me (two posts in the last month wholeheartedly disagreeing).

I’ll concede, it’s all one big conspiracy to impinge on everyone’s freedoms, to bring the entire worlds economies to their knees. How did Justin or John Horgan not bring you on as a well informed source is mind blowing.

I’m out, and it’s not because of mean posters.
- Makita

It's all good, I'm laid up recovering from surgery so my time is spent looking at statistics(I love economics) and talking hockey.

It's not a conspiracy, some players are taking advantage of it for profit(Amazon, pharmaceutical companies) which is natural.

I agree with some of the measures, but different jurisdictions have imposed different measures. Japan has had no lockdowns and yet it has the lowest transmission and death rates in the world, because people wash their hands, aren't selfish and wear a mask. No lockdowns or personal freedom restrictions. They also treat their seniors better.

Don't lump me in, I may agree on some things but I'm not a Cowboy
- Pres.cup

There were fuking water bombers that had to navigate around these hillbillies. JFC!!

There were fuking water bombers that had to navigate around these hillbillies. JFC!!
- VanHockeyGuy

That's just stupid, dumb ducks regardless of why they're out there, get the fack out of the way!

That's just stupid, dumb ducks regardless of why they're out there, get the fack out of the way!
- Pres.cup

Not according to LH.

It's all good, I'm laid up recovering from surgery so my time is spent looking at statistics(I love economics) and talking hockey.

It's not a conspiracy, some players are taking advantage of it for profit(Amazon, pharmaceutical companies) which is natural.

I agree with some measures, but different jurisdictions have imposed different measures. Japan has had no lockdowns and yet it has the lowest transmission and death rates in the world, because people wash their hands, aren't selfish and wear a mask. No lockdowns or personal freedom restrictions. They also treat their seniors better.
- Pres.cup

You’re focusing on deaths as the yardstick. But for leadership the concern is with hospitalizations as our current system can’t handle the burden. Here’s a good page on demographics of Covid and it’s impact on healthcare:

http://www.bccdc.ca/Healt...ituation_Report.pdf#page9

And your comments about Japan are a bit misleading. Many of the tactics use by western governments to “lockdown” are already practised in Japan. Cultural practices such as mask-wearing is an existing norm and bowing instead of shaking hands is another. Public health education has centred on avoiding the “3 Cs” - Closed spaces, Crowded places, and Close contact. Adherence to Government advice has been extremely high so stringent lockdowns haven’t needed to be enforced like they have been in western cultures.

Saying that, their numbers are increasing rapidly over that past two months so they have enacted a national state of emergency.

Anyway, we are all doing the best we can. Failures and missteps will be analyzed, strategies will be perfected, and healthcare will be prepared and ready for the next big one when it arrives.

Countries are closing borders to travelers from UK and South Africa, because of a new strain of this virus, ya know big deal, only 2 people have died outside of a care home, in BC.
Even the deniers, favourite example of Sweden is closing their borders.

I am sure they will find the usual 3% of scientist or health professionals that will come up with some argument that this isn't really a new strain and those countries are over-reacting.

Countries are closing borders to travelers from UK and South Africa, because of a new strain of this virus, ya know big deal, only 2 people have died outside of a care home, in BC.
Even the deniers, favourite example of Sweden is closing their borders.

I am sure they will find the usual 3% of scientist or health professionals that will come up with some argument that this isn't really a new strain and those countries are over-reacting.
- Reubenkincade

https://gbdeclaration.org/

I'm not an expert, I listen to experts. Read the report, it's interesting.

I never said it was not a real virus or didn't present real and present danger. I said that the facts and stats are being held back from the general population. I didn't believe the deaths outside of care homes until Dr Bonnie said it. I didn't believe it because you can't find that information, it's hidden.

People listen better to restrictions when they are afraid, this is propaganda 101, historical statement only.

Some people aren't listening so some data that might make people more comfortable is being withheld, not a conspiracy, it's a statistical fact. Try to find a breakdown of actual covid caused(not related) deaths by demographic, it doesn't exist.

I understand trim by for a homogeneous solution, it's easier and disallows dissent. The problem is, with the lack of credible data, there's too much information mission to allow anyone who goes looking for answers to find anything but skepticism.

I didn't go looking for data to prove the pandemic wasn't real, I was curious from an economics and statistical standpoint. What I found, or couldn't find, is what's making me very skeptical about the whole thing.

Here's a social media test. Post the fact that 2 people have died outside of care homes in BC to your social media and see how it's responded to. If people are willing to have a rational discussion about it, including the fact we need to do more for our seniors, then they aren't being driven by far. If instead that fact gets attacked and you get attacked, then people are responding to the culture of fear and social anxiety that they have been fed.

Try the test, it's almost impossible to have a rational discussion around facts without being attacked.

You’re focusing on deaths as the yardstick. But for leadership the concern is with hospitalizations as our current system can’t handle the burden. Here’s a good page on demographics of Covid and it’s impact on healthcare:

http://www.bccdc.ca/Healt...ituation_Report.pdf#page9

And your comments about Japan are a bit misleading. Many of the tactics use by western governments to “lockdown” are already practised in Japan. Cultural practices such as mask-wearing is an existing norm and bowing instead of shaking hands is another. Public health education has centred on avoiding the “3 Cs” - Closed spaces, Crowded places, and Close contact. Adherence to Government advice has been extremely high so stringent lockdowns haven’t needed to be enforced like they have been in western cultures.

Saying that, their numbers are increasing rapidly over that past two months so they have enacted a national state of emergency.

Anyway, we are all doing the best we can. Failures and missteps will be analyzed, strategies will be perfected, and healthcare will be prepared and ready for the next big one when it arrives.
- bloatedmosquito

I've been reading the reports, decent information. I'm hoping the cultural practices of Japan make it over here as a result, just selfish not to.

The stats as presented do not include mortality or outcome/age, nor do they touch on underlying health conditions. Not the end of the world but if we want to understand the actual epidemiology of the virus, that information needs to be curated. If they don't want skeptics like me bemoaning the data, it would be easy to release the actual data. I don't see why it wouldn't be.

There's alot of philosophical theories out there about why people present information in certain ways. All of them revolve around dictating the outcome of conversations.

The information would not be presented in the way it is unless those presenting the information didn’t want it interpreted any other way. Most likely is to try to get more people to fall in line, stay at home and get vaccinated, very altruistic by nature export that it demonizes those who question the status quo. Both the virus and the vaccine will have unknown side effects that will take years of not decades to understand. The more virus skepticism there is the longer the pandemic could go on for. Politics is played out in terms, not generations.

I've been reading the reports, decent information. I'm hoping the cultural practices of Japan make it over here as a result, just selfish not to.

The stats a presented do not include mortality or outcome / age, nor do they touch on underlying health conditions. Not the end of the world but if we want to understand the actual epidemiology of the virus, that information needs to be curated. If they don't want skeptics like me bemoaning the data, it would be easy to release the actual data. I don't see why it wouldn't be.

There's alot of philosophical theories out there about why people present information in certain ways. All of them revolve around dictating the outcome of conversations.

The information would not be presented in the way it is unless those presenting the information didn’t want it interpreted any other way. Most likely is to try to get more people to fall in line, stay at home and get vaccinated, very altruistic by nature export that it demonizes those who question the status quo. Both the virus and the vaccine will have unknown side effects that will take years of not decades to understand. The more virus skepticism there is the longer the pandemic could go on for. Politics is played out in terms, not generations.
- Pres.cup

Are you a truck driver?

Are you a truck driver?
- Reubenkincade

No, I'm an entrepreneur with multiple income streams, do truck drivers generally study economics as a hobby? Why do you ask?

From Lord H, about the Penticton fires, while water bombers were trying to navigate around the tourists on the lake despite BC Wildfire requests.....


And on the forest fire thing in BC...look inwards. Authorities noted a few years back that the majority of those fires are deliberately set (like in California) by the eco terrorists and the whiners trying to push the climate change bukllsh*it agendas. Why should Albertans or other folks worry about that and what we can't control? Really? You're going to whine about people water-skiing lol...
- VanHockeyGuy

I should be free to water ski. Trudope's oppressive agenda and fake news fires just trying to hold you down.