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golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:34 AM ET
Wouldn't it be nice if countries didn't spend more on the military, and just sort of focused on living conditions for their country and the world? Ah, what a dream, I know. You may say I'm a dreamer...



Yes, the nuclear part is pretty scary. Especially as the EU ramps up their military support and sanctions, and Russia's economy will start to crumble (ruble down 30% today)... it's going to get worse before it gets better.

- NewYorkNuck

Well yes of course.

However, it doesn't look like we're living in that world yet.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Feb 28 @ 8:37 AM ET
Well yes of course.

However, it doesn't look like we're living in that world yet.

- golfingsince


Yes, however there's a chicken/egg aspect to it as well. Are we not living in that world because we're increasing military spending and not solving the problems that lead people to use force?

Unfortunately, I think we as a species are too dumb, and we will wipe ourselves out one way or another before we ever reach that peaceful planet.

Maybe colonized Mars will be peaceful? Though, if anyone has watched The Expanse (which is quite a good show), that's also doubtful.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Feb 28 @ 8:52 AM ET
Yes, however there's a chicken/egg aspect to it as well. Are we not living in that world because we're increasing military spending and not solving the problems that lead people to use force?

Unfortunately, I think we as a species are too dumb, and we will wipe ourselves out one way or another before we ever reach that peaceful planet.

Maybe colonized Mars will be peaceful? Though, if anyone has watched The Expanse (which is quite a good show), that's also doubtful.

- NewYorkNuck



Too greedy for sure. There are plenty of nations that don't spend much on military, I live in one of them. It's still a good idea to have an army of sorts even if it's only there to protect and serve the country during times of natural disasters.

Every war in history has been fought for greed or religion.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Feb 28 @ 8:52 AM ET
Too greedy for sure. There are plenty of nations that don't spend much on military, I live in one of them. It's still a good idea to have an army of sorts even if it's only there to protect and serve the country during times of natural disasters.

Every war in history has been fought for greed or religion.

- golfingsince


CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Feb 28 @ 11:14 PM ET
Too greedy for sure. There are plenty of nations that don't spend much on military, I live in one of them. It's still a good idea to have an army of sorts even if it's only there to protect and serve the country during times of natural disasters.

Every war in history has been fought for greed or religion.

- golfingsince


I think it’s more than greed and it’s more than ignorance. Or maybe what I mean to say is it’s less. It’s instinct.

How often does a Nucker post mention “ALPHA”. It’s how most species organize themselves. On a small scale you have an alpha individual. On a larger scale you have alpha groups. Above that you have alpha countries. We just can’t help ourselves. Why would America feel the need to use Ukraine to destabilize Russia other than to assert dominance. Why is Putin in Ukraine but to do the same? You can argue geopolitics but it’s just a big dlck measuring competition. With bombs.

1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 1 @ 12:31 AM ET
Yes, however there's a chicken/egg aspect to it as well. Are we not living in that world because we're increasing military spending and not solving the problems that lead people to use force?

Unfortunately, I think we as a species are too dumb, and we will wipe ourselves out one way or another before we ever reach that peaceful planet.

Maybe colonized Mars will be peaceful? Though, if anyone has watched The Expanse (which is quite a good show), that's also doubtful.

- NewYorkNuck


It’s my second amendment right to keep and bear nukes. Keep your commie left wing policy out of my silo.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Mar 1 @ 3:16 AM ET
It’s my GOD GIVEN second amendment right to keep and bear nukes. Keep your commie left wing policy out of my silo.
- 1970vintage


Fixed that for ya, can't forget the all mighty's desire for you to have nukes to use against those other people he created but then gave a different religion to for some reason. #itsallatest
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Mar 1 @ 2:52 PM ET
Watching video of bombing in Ukraine and it always amazes me seeing people driving around seemingly unfazed by the explosions. Crazy.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 1 @ 4:31 PM ET
Watching video of bombing in Ukraine and it always amazes me seeing people driving around seemingly unfazed by the explosions. Crazy.
- bloatedmosquito

I guess if you're not being forced to wear a mask when you shop everything else is easy.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Mar 1 @ 6:29 PM ET
I guess if you're not being forced to wear a mask when you shop everything else is easy.
- A_SteamingLombardi

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Mar 1 @ 6:33 PM ET
I think it’s more than greed and it’s more than ignorance. Or maybe what I mean to say is it’s less. It’s instinct.

How often does a Nucker post mention “ALPHA”. It’s how most species organize themselves. On a small scale you have an alpha individual. On a larger scale you have alpha groups. Above that you have alpha countries. We just can’t help ourselves. Why would America feel the need to use Ukraine to destabilize Russia other than to assert dominance. Why is Putin in Ukraine but to do the same? You can argue geopolitics but it’s just a big dlck measuring competition. With bombs.

- CubanBuffet


Yup.

We should elect Ron Jeremy.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Mar 1 @ 6:39 PM ET
I guess if you're not being forced to wear a mask when you shop everything else is easy.
- A_SteamingLombardi


boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Mar 2 @ 12:00 AM ET
For those of you that know little to nothing about Azov Battalion, here is a brief overview posted today by ALJAZEERA...

https://www.aljazeera.com...VY9i3gOSUfVPiSdlW8ofUokl4

It should blow your mind that western corporate media has been sweeping this under the carpet. Yet even Canada made a statement in parliament about not training/funding them with their advisors over there. USA did the same but reversed it recently. Please read this... know what you are supporting.

Those numbers are way understated because Azov absorbed nazis Right Sector and Svbota Party who also had big numbers... not to mention nazis from around the world have been going there for the last 8 years joining them.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Mar 2 @ 12:16 AM ET
This goes way deeper into just how widespread and normalized the Nazi problem is in Ukraine. This is from The Nation. America's oldest weekly news publication(125 years). They are mainstream liberal... but often challenge corporate media narratives. The editor who just died was the media member I trusted the most, Stephen F. Cohen. A liberal Jew from Kentucky.

https://www.thenation.com...-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Mar 2 @ 12:19 AM ET
USA Today has a story about the Nazis in Ukraine's military...

https://www.usatoday.com/...ses-separatists/24664937/
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Mar 2 @ 12:24 AM ET
The Jerusalem Post letting us know that recently US congress repealed their bill banning support for Azov... can't imagine jews around the world are too happy about that.... but if they live in the west and only get their news from corporate sources, they likely don't know what they are supporting either... this I find disturbing.

https://www.jpost.com/Dia...-Ukrainian-militia-441884

Watchdog groups have already confirmed American weapons are now in the hands of Azov.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 2 @ 12:32 AM ET
The Jerusalem Post letting us know that recently US congress repealed their bill banning support for Azov... can't imagine jews around the world are too happy about that.... but if they live in the west and only get their news from corporate sources, they likely don't know what they are supporting either... this I find disturbing.

https://www.usatoday.com/...ses-separatists/24664937/

Watchdog groups have already confirmed American weapons are now in the hands of Azov.

- boonerbuck


How could they possibly not be? Canadian weapons, or what do the politicians call it, lethal aid?
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Mar 2 @ 12:37 AM ET
How could they possibly not be? Canadian weapons, or what do the politicians call it, lethal aid?
- 1970vintage


Lethal aid...that's right.

This is the very militia you talked about being used by America. John McCain was the go between... there are pictures of him arm and arm with the leadership when he was drumming up support to arm this group to start poop with the ethnic Russians in the east who refused to accept that their government had been overthrown by foreign meddling.... they also did the lions share of violence during EuroMaidan that turned into a armed revolt.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Mar 2 @ 1:03 AM ET
How could they possibly not be? Canadian weapons, or what do the politicians call it, lethal aid?
- 1970vintage


I edited the link...double posted the USA Today one... now my post should make sense.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Mar 2 @ 1:07 AM ET
I guess if you're not being forced to wear a mask when you shop everything else is easy.
- A_SteamingLombardi



NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Mar 2 @ 3:28 AM ET
For those of you that know little to nothing about Azov Battalion, here is a brief overview posted today by ALJAZEERA...

https://www.aljazeera.com...VY9i3gOSUfVPiSdlW8ofUokl4

It should blow your mind that western corporate media has been sweeping this under the carpet. Yet even Canada made a statement in parliament about not training/funding them with their advisors over there. USA did the same but reversed it recently. Please read this... know what you are supporting.

Those numbers are way understated because Azov absorbed nazis Right Sector and Svbota Party who also had big numbers... not to mention nazis from around the world have been going there for the last 8 years joining them.

- boonerbuck


Not to justify or okay Nazism, because it's flat wrong, but curious how many Nazi/white supremacists you'd guess are in the Canadian military, or American military, or any military around the world. I know the German military (and the country with the AfD party) has been dealing with that for a while.

Clearly there a difference in numbers/power/opportunities for action, however there's also a difference in context and stability as a democracy in Ukraine.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 2 @ 9:30 AM ET
Not to justify or okay Nazism, because it's flat wrong, but curious how many Nazi/white supremacists you'd guess are in the Canadian military, or American military, or any military around the world. I know the German military (and the country with the AfD party) has been dealing with that for a while.

Clearly there a difference in numbers/power/opportunities for action, however there's also a difference in context and stability as a democracy in Ukraine.

- NewYorkNuck


I think what he is pointing out is that one country welcomed a known faction into their organization as a stand alone unit. Organizations the world over have to deal with individuals with hateful views but Amazon didn’t hire the Columbus chapter of the Proud Boys to run that office.

Maybe I’m wrong.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 2 @ 10:04 AM ET
Anyone sense a slow burning rage quit?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 2 @ 10:07 AM ET
Anyone sense a slow burning rage quit?
- Marwood


The fuse is 🔥
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Mar 2 @ 10:18 AM ET
Anyone sense a slow burning rage quit?
- Marwood


Hope so

He often mentions a mute button, but I would wager he'd be the most muted person on Carol's thread. Seems to fight with everyone.
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