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A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 4 @ 10:14 PM ET
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:46 PM ET
You tried this BS already and failed. Here's your accusations...

Meanwhile I post Canadian media discussing the documents they obtained with the Freedom of Information Act of Canada's meetings with Azov and them in a panic about Azov posting pics of it and public backlash. Also in the story, Azov admitting they are getting training from Canada. You failed. It doesn't stop there either... Backlash for letting Azov use the Canadian embassy during the coup as well... you know, back when Azov hadn't been refurbished in the media yet...

I didn't bring up the subject of the Militants either. I responded to when Vintage brings up the Militant connection to the invasion.
Right... busted another untruth of yours. His main financial backer in his campaign is a Nazi supporter, owns the network Zelenky's show was on, was Azov's #1 financial supporter and used his network to sell Zelensky the actor to the public. That's a lot of involvement with a Nazi and a massive Azov connection.... failed again.
I talk about the ideology being entrenched. A government that passes legislation to deny their holocaust participation, the murder of 80,000 jews, doesn't disband the Nazi militant groups but instead arms and funds them is just that. Failed yet again.
Meanwhile you only have to go back a few pages where you are discussing with people accusing the Trucker protests of being Nazis and who's funding them and how they are sheep not knowing who's backing them... pretty funny how you deny a massive example of this, downplay and defend it but play along with the trucker broad brush strokes.


- boonerbuck


Nope. Wrong again. Let me see if I can jog your memory... I wrote:

I think the bolded is incorrect. Zelenskyy assumed office May 2019.

Azov Battalion had been upgraded to the status of a regiment and incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard November 2014.


Then you wrote:

Ok, wrong use of words... he's allowed this incorporation of Azov to continue. This was a mistake of my own.

And then you went back and literally re-wrote what you said after you were caught pushing some weird anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Zelensky propaganda. If you got that basic piece of information wrong then what else have you got wrong? Maybe you knew it was wrong but didn't expect anyone to call you out. Who knows...

Either way you've been outed.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 4 @ 11:10 PM ET
Nope. Wrong again. Let me see if I can jog your memory... I wrote:

I think the bolded is incorrect. Zelenskyy assumed office May 2019.

Azov Battalion had been upgraded to the status of a regiment and incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard November 2014.


Then you wrote:

Ok, wrong use of words... he's allowed this incorporation of Azov to continue. This was a mistake of my own.

And then you went back and literally re-wrote what you said after you were caught pushing some weird anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Zelensky propaganda. If you got that basic piece of information wrong then what else have you got wrong? Maybe you knew it was wrong but didn't expect anyone to call you out. Who knows...

Either way you've been outed.

- bloatedmosquito


WTF? I admitted to making a mistake and went back and corrected it. I owned it. I even mention I corrected it later a couple of pages ago. Show me where I denied making that mistake? How the (frank) do you turn that around? I literally said "my mistake" for writing Zelensky instead of Government. For this new BS wouldn't I deny making the mistake, backtrack and quietly rewrite it? Wow, you have no shame.


At every turn you lie. The death throes of a failed argument.

Lets see where you've acknowledge your lie about me making falsehoods about Canada's involvement with Azov. Nope... you keep doubling down on the lies instead. No credibility at all...

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 4 @ 11:33 PM ET
WTF? I admitted to making a mistake and went back and corrected it. I owned it. I even mention I corrected it later a couple of pages ago. Show me where I denied making that mistake? How the (frank) do you turn that around? I literally said "my mistake" for writing Zelensky instead of Government. For this new BS wouldn't I deny making the mistake, backtrack and quietly rewrite it? Wow, you have no shame.


At every turn you lie. The death throes of a failed argument.

Lets see where you've acknowledge your lie about me making falsehoods about Canada's involvement with Azov. Nope... you keep doubling down on the lies instead. No credibility at all...

- boonerbuck


The first step to enlightenment is to admit when you have no clue what you are talking about and you have finally admitted that. Progress Booner! It's baby steps but progress none the less.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 4 @ 11:48 PM ET
The first step to enlightenment is to admit when you have no clue what you are talking about and you have finally admitted that. Progress Booner! It's baby steps but progress none the less.
- bloatedmosquito





It drives you crazy when someone with less education than you destroys you in arguments doesn't it? Not once have you admitted to the massive wrongs you've posted in here about Canada's involvement with Azov which was your #1 lead in trying to paint me as dishonest or Zelensky's obvious and public involvement with a Nazi. Or the Governments support of these groups on multiple levels. Wrong on all accounts but you keep digging around for something to reframe me as the one being dishonest.... and fail.

You lost your grip on the debate long ago. Moved to your insults, narrative about me playing the victim, fingers in the ears lalalalala... repeating Putin Propaganda over and over.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 5 @ 12:11 AM ET


It drives you crazy when someone with less education than you destroys you in arguments doesn't it? Not once have you admitted to the massive wrongs you've posted in here about Canada's involvement with Azov which was your #1 lead in trying to paint me as dishonest or Zelensky's obvious and public involvement with a Nazi. Or the Governments support of these groups on multiple levels. Wrong on all accounts but you keep digging around for something to reframe me as the one being dishonest.... and fail.

You lost your grip on the debate long ago. Moved to your insults, narrative about me playing the victim, fingers in the ears lalalalala... repeating Putin Propaganda over and over.

- boonerbuck


Booner, it's over. You admitted to making mistakes. The Booner of a few years ago would have never admitted to being fooled by conspiracies. That my friend is progress and I'm proud of you!
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 5 @ 12:23 AM ET
It's been going on for years. In the Guardian piece they say 14,000 have died. That was pre invasion in the eastern civil war. I've been heavily critical of the coup leading to this tragedy for at least 6 years here... but for you, it only matters for the last month.
- boonerbuck

Links.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 5 @ 12:24 AM ET
Links.
- Marwood



boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 5 @ 12:43 AM ET
Booner, it's over. You admitted to making mistakes. The Booner of a few years ago would have never admitted to being fooled by conspiracies. That my friend is progress and I'm proud of you!
- bloatedmosquito


I've always owned making a mistake. You on the other hand are refusing to all through this.

Since you won't own all or any the major blind mistakes you made accusing me of lying, then we have to assume you are still in the position that Canada never got involved with Azov. Dishonest.

You then are still denying that Zelensky was involved with the Nazi sympathizer Ihor Kolomoysky who not only financed Zelensky's campaign, but financed Azov and other Nazi groups. Ihor Kolomoysky promoting him on his network... dishonest

You still don't think Nazi ideology is supported by government legislation in the means of Holocaust denial, and all the other things listed in the story posted by The Nation(with links to the facts)... Dishonest.

You got caught lying to me about inviting me back in here to debate the militants and opening it with the nazi topic... counted my responses to your posts as "bringing it up". Dishonest.

Your lies go on and on...

A better man would admit that there is and has been way more going on with Ukraine's extreme far right than you knew and the west has been supporting it for pretty much a decade, Canada included...
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 5 @ 12:48 AM ET
I've always owned making a mistake. You on the other hand are refusing to all through this.

Since you won't own all or any the major blind mistakes you made accusing me of lying, then we have to assume you are still in the position that Canada never got involved with Azov. Dishonest.

You then are still denying that Zelensky was involved with the Nazi sympathizer Ihor Kolomoysky who not only financed Zelensky's campaign, but financed Azov and other Nazi groups. Ihor Kolomoysky promoting him on his network... dishonest

You still don't think Nazi ideology is supported by government legislation in the means of Holocaust denial, and all the other things listed in the story posted by The Nation(with links to the facts)... Dishonest.

You got caught lying to me about inviting me back in here to debate the militants and opening it with the nazi topic... counted my responses to your posts as "bringing it up". Dishonest.

Your lies go on and on...

A better man would admit that there is and has been way more going on with Ukraine's extreme far right than you knew and the west has been supporting it for pretty much a decade, Canada included...

- boonerbuck


Exaggeration definitely has a place in story telling. Exaggeration during political debates is a recipe for disaster. I’m happy you have learned a lesson today.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 5 @ 1:24 AM ET
Exaggeration definitely has a place in story telling. Exaggeration during political debates is a recipe for disaster. I’m happy you have learned a lesson today.
- bloatedmosquito


I can't wait for the next time you label someone a Nazi and start painting with those broad strokes.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 5 @ 1:32 AM ET
I can't wait for the next time you label someone a Nazi and start painting with those broad strokes.
- boonerbuck


I don’t label people. That’s not my schtick.

I just get a kick out of your exaggerations that’s all. Like your Bin Laden take not so long ago. That one was hilarious.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 5 @ 10:40 AM ET
I don’t label people. That’s not my schtick.

I just get a kick out of your exaggerations that’s all. Like your Bin Laden take not so long ago. That one was hilarious.

- bloatedmosquito

That's good dude. Don't lump yourself in with the champs and the alt accounts.

But seriously, no offence to you personally but you aren't going to 'out Booner' Booner on this topic. He clearly knows more than anyone else in here on what's happening over there. Vintsy appears to know much as well. Alot of Booners posts I've read on the topic in here check out. Not saying you do but don't get the misinfo from CNN, CBC CTV Global etc on pushing narratives on the Situation in Ukraine. It's much deeper than any news media dares report. Is what it is bro.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 5 @ 10:52 AM ET
That's good dude. Don't lump yourself in with the champs and the alt accounts.

But seriously, no offence to you personally but you aren't going to 'out Booner' Booner on this topic. He clearly knows more than anyone else in here on what's happening over there. Vintsy appears to know much as well. Alot of Booners posts I've read on the topic in here check out. Not saying you do but don't get the misinfo from CNN, CBC CTV Global etc on pushing narratives on the Situation in Ukraine. It's much deeper than any news media dares report. Is what it is bro.

- LordHumungous

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 5 @ 2:31 PM ET
I don’t label people. That’s not my schtick.

I just get a kick out of your exaggerations that’s all. Like your Bin Laden take not so long ago. That one was hilarious.

- bloatedmosquito


Exaggerations right. You only need to hear Zelensky the actor downplay and good enough for you. Years of journalism show that it's being downplayed regardless of the war time propaganda throttle being stepped on recently by both the east and west. The same outlets are on record with the original narrative. They can't hide from it. But they can easily find sympathizers to defend the new narrative like you keep doing. Train them to yell "Putin Propaganda" and job well done.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 5 @ 3:16 PM ET
Wow... Zelensky today telling Russia that "I want to remind Russian diplomats that Adolf Eichmann did not go unpunished"... oh really. Ok fair enough. But do you mean like how Stephan Bandera went unpunished after his commitment to the holocaust and tens of thousands of Jews were murdered(along with Poles and Roma)? Even worse, Americans protected him in West Germany where eventually the KGB caught up to him and assassinated him in 1959 15 years later? The protection of Ukrainian Nazis has a long history with the west.

Let's talk about the entrenchment of ideals in Ukraine's government/society. Stephan Bandera was awarded "Hero of Ukraine" by acting president Viktor A. Yushchenko in 2010. It was his successor and the Russian friendly president Viktor F. Yanukovich that revoked the award later... to much of the nations outrage. They were split over the revoke. The Nationalists returned to power after 2014 in a coup led by the west and Nazi Militants. Those groups are still supported by Oligarch and actor Zelensky.

People have to come to grips that Ukrainians hate Russians above all else but that doesn't change the facts of their history and that they are still #1 in Europe for crimes against Jews as I posted in The Nations links from World Jewish Congress and The Simon Wiesenthal Centre.

Keep downplaying it Bloated. People in the past have done what you are doing... we are reminded of that story often.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 5 @ 3:23 PM ET
I have a feeling this going to go on for longer than the war.
- A_SteamingLombardi



Which one is unholy goalie ?
Codes1087
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Apr 5 @ 3:51 PM ET
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Apr 5 @ 6:43 PM ET
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bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 6 @ 8:45 AM ET
Wow... Zelensky today telling Russia that "I want to remind Russian diplomats that Adolf Eichmann did not go unpunished"... oh really. Ok fair enough. But do you mean like how Stephan Bandera went unpunished after his commitment to the holocaust and tens of thousands of Jews were murdered(along with Poles and Roma)? Even worse, Americans protected him in West Germany where eventually the KGB caught up to him and assassinated him in 1959 15 years later? The protection of Ukrainian Nazis has a long history with the west.

Let's talk about the entrenchment of ideals in Ukraine's government/society. Stephan Bandera was awarded "Hero of Ukraine" by acting president Viktor A. Yushchenko in 2010. It was his successor and the Russian friendly president Viktor F. Yanukovich that revoked the award later... to much of the nations outrage. They were split over the revoke. The Nationalists returned to power after 2014 in a coup led by the west and Nazi Militants. Those groups are still supported by Oligarch and actor Zelensky.

People have to come to grips that Ukrainians hate Russians above all else but that doesn't change the facts of their history and that they are still #1 in Europe for crimes against Jews as I posted in The Nations links from World Jewish Congress and The Simon Wiesenthal Centre.

Keep downplaying it Bloated. People in the past have done what you are doing... we are reminded of that story often.

- boonerbuck




bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 6 @ 9:16 AM ET
That's good dude. Don't lump yourself in with the champs and the alt accounts.

But seriously, no offence to you personally but you aren't going to 'out Booner' Booner on this topic. He clearly knows more than anyone else in here on what's happening over there. Vintsy appears to know much as well. Alot of Booners posts I've read on the topic in here check out. Not saying you do but don't get the misinfo from CNN, CBC CTV Global etc on pushing narratives on the Situation in Ukraine. It's much deeper than any news media dares report. Is what it is bro.

- LordHumungous


You mean the exact same sources used by Booner to support his narrative?

To quote a great song “It’s a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world”.

Indeed.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Apr 6 @ 1:59 PM ET
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 6 @ 2:43 PM ET
You mean the exact same sources used by Booner to support his narrative?

To quote a great song “It’s a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world”.

Indeed.

- bloatedmosquito


I show over and over how they switched up the narratives over the last few years. You refuse to acknowledge it. Let's be clear, it was their narrative I posted over and over. Nice try again(not really).
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 6 @ 5:30 PM ET
I show over and over how they switched up the narratives over the last few years. You refuse to acknowledge it. Let's be clear, it was their narrative I posted over and over. Nice try again(not really).
- boonerbuck


the only person who switches their narrative is you. Which you have admitted doing. Literally going back and re-writing your post. It’s time to let it be Booner.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 6 @ 5:56 PM ET
the only person who switches their narrative is you. Which you have admitted doing. Literally going back and re-writing your post. It’s time to let it be Booner.
- bloatedmosquito


I informed you that I made a mistake and corrected it. Something you are incapable of. That's not a narrative switch.

Still pretending Canada has never been involved with Azov. Accused me of making it up. A lie.

Still pretending Zelensky wouldn't have anything to do with Nazis even though he was financed and promoted by a Nazi supporter and himself continues to protect Azov. Accused me of making up his complicity. A lie.

You sure spend a lot of time white washing Nazi groups. Pages and pages of it now. Disgusting.
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