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boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 6 @ 11:21 PM ET
Man, if you can’t see that propaganda runs both ways I just can’t. I’m not saying you have to take everything that Boonsey writes as truth, but you seem pretty sure that it’s untruth and I think you’re dead wrong.
- 1970vintage


The uncomfortable truth about this is it the ultra nationalists are much worse than what they are now telling us. It's war time. Only the most naïve don't understand that our media and governments go into spin cycle during a massive conflict involving a major western foe. I haven't presented an argument provided by Russia regardless of Putin pretending it's near the top of their issues. I don't need to. The material provided by our mainstream, our organizations and experts, or parliaments etc are all on record about how bad it is.

Russia's main agenda is NATO putting bases(American bases) on their border. NATO trying to steal(with the coup) their base in Crimea that has been there for centuries. USA trying to stop projects like Nordstream II and hijack their market. America is the Imperialists force constantly over expanding. Ukraine's civilians are pawns. Ukrainian soldiers are proxies. Russia is a cornered animal. People are dying. It's truly tragic.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 6 @ 11:48 PM ET
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 7 @ 12:09 AM ET
Man, if you can’t see that propaganda runs both ways I just can’t. I’m not saying you have to take everything that Boonsey writes as truth, but you seem pretty sure that it’s untruth and I think you’re dead wrong.
- 1970vintage


Can you show me where I said neo-nazis don't exist in Ukraine? I never denied that neo-Nazis exist in Ukraine. I said the opposite. They do exist. All I'm saying it's no where near as bad as what Booner's promoting. That's why most understand that this Ukrainian Nazi narrative is a Russian ploy to gain international favour and it's backfiring spectacularly. Russia will lose this war and it will probably be the end to Putin. That's a good thing for everyone, including Russians.

Ukraine has made great strides to rid itself of these types of influences. Working hard to be a legitimate democracy in a part of the world that freedom of political choice is a foreign concept. It's a lot of hard work but they are getting there. And I applaud them for it.

Booner is a conspiracy theorist. Always has been and this situation is no different. But you have skin in this game more than anyone on his site. So take comfort in what he's selling. But it doesn't make it true.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 7 @ 12:29 AM ET
Can you show me where I said neo-nazis don't exist in Ukraine? I never denied that neo-Nazis exist in Ukraine. I said the opposite. They do exist. All I'm saying it's no where near as bad as what Booner's promoting. That's why most understand that this Ukrainian Nazi narrative is a Russian ploy to gain international favour and it's backfiring spectacularly. Russia will lose this war and it will probably be the end to Putin. That's a good thing for everyone, including Russians.

Ukraine has made great strides to rid itself of these types of influences. Working hard to be a legitimate democracy in a part of the world that freedom of political choice is a foreign concept. It's a lot of hard work but they are getting there. And I applaud them for it.

Booner is a conspiracy theorist. Always has been and this situation is no different. But you have skin in this game more than anyone on his site. So take comfort in what he's selling. But it doesn't make it true.

- bloatedmosquito


Give it a break about me Bloated. You've lied about me over and over.

Great strides? Zelenskyy was funded and promoted by a Nazi Oligarch who also financed Neo Nazi groups. They still have a serious problem with Ultra Nationalists. Don't be naïve. You've hid behind the cry of Putin Propaganda at ever turn. I could give two (frank) about what he says. He's just another greedy power monger like the rest of them...Zelenskyy included.

Working hard to be a legitimate democracy? Hardly. Political parties are being banned but not the far right ultra nationalists...but the Left. Media outlets are being banned. The 20,000 nazi march was only three years ago in their capital. Man, you sure gobble up the propaganda.

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 7 @ 1:00 AM ET
Give it a break about me Bloated. You've lied about me over and over.

Great strides? Zelenskyy was funded and promoted by a Nazi Oligarch who also financed Neo Nazi groups. They still have a serious problem with Ultra Nationalists. Don't be naïve. You've hid behind the cry of Putin Propaganda at ever turn. I could give two (frank) about what he says. He's just another greedy power monger like the rest of them...Zelenskyy included.

Working hard to be a legitimate democracy? Hardly. Political parties are being banned but not the far right ultra nationalists...but the Left. Media outlets are being banned. The 20,000 nazi march was only three years ago in their capital. Man, you sure gobble up the propaganda.


- boonerbuck




boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 7 @ 1:33 AM ET



- bloatedmosquito


It's becoming clearer and clearer that Putin is your obsession.

I love how you dismiss Vintage because he has family in Crimea. He takes comfort in what I say because of that you accuse. Totally dismissing the fact that they are in the middle of this and may know more of what's happening than you. Nope... they are brainwashed by Putin like anyone else that has learned more than you.

Talk about arrogant.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 7 @ 1:40 AM ET
It's becoming clearer and clearer that Putin is your obsession.

I love how you dismiss Vintage because he has family in Crimea. He takes comfort in what I say because of that you accuse. Totally dismissing the fact that they are in the middle of this and may know more of what's happening than you. Nope... they are brainwashed by Putin like anyone else that has learned more than you.

Talk about arrogant.

- boonerbuck


Indeed comrade, indeed.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 7 @ 3:16 PM ET
Politics, conspiracy theories, propaganda.
- Marwood

I would absolutely love to hear your 'theories' on what's actually happening in Ukraine but hey I would just need to check out CBC right champ?

Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 7 @ 4:10 PM ET
I would absolutely love to hear your 'theories' on what's actually happening in Ukraine but hey I would just need to check out CBC right champ?


- LordHumungous

You just worry about the next, exciting comic book release.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Apr 7 @ 4:43 PM ET
Can you show me where I said neo-nazis don't exist in Ukraine? I never denied that neo-Nazis exist in Ukraine. I said the opposite. They do exist. All I'm saying it's no where near as bad as what Booner's promoting. That's why most understand that this Ukrainian Nazi narrative is a Russian ploy to gain international favour and it's backfiring spectacularly. Russia will lose this war and it will probably be the end to Putin. That's a good thing for everyone, including Russians.

Ukraine has made great strides to rid itself of these types of influences. Working hard to be a legitimate democracy in a part of the world that freedom of political choice is a foreign concept. It's a lot of hard work but they are getting there. And I applaud them for it.

Booner is a conspiracy theorist. Always has been and this situation is no different. But you have skin in this game more than anyone on his site. So take comfort in what he's selling. But it doesn't make it true.

- bloatedmosquito


Maybe those things are true, maybe not. Here is a story I’ve heard from family living in proximity.

Ukrainian nationalist military are rounding up civilians in conflict areas and putting them in buildings which are in the path of incoming Russian troops. They are then barricading these people inside, and setting explosive charges around the building, or in some cases burning the building down, people and all.

This conflict is wrong on so many levels, but I don’t believe it’s as one sided as you do.

Edit, I would add that Ukraine is far from the democracy you paint it to be.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 7 @ 5:28 PM ET
Edit, I would add that Ukraine is far from the democracy you paint it to be


So true...

The existing government spawned from a western coup who sent the military in to squash the portion of the population in their own country who refused to recognize the coup and replacement government with following elections as legitimate... which is correct under the UN Charter. They were classified as terrorists and attacked with soldiers, tanks and planes before a war even broke out.

Fledging Democracy my ass... banning opposition groups on the Left. The current government is still a far right nationalist puppet government regardless of their leaders religious ancestry. Israel is arguably one of the hardest far right nationalist states in the world.

This is all the new narrative by the same American loyal media that reported on how their democracy was a farce just 2 or 3 years ago. No one needs to listen to Putin's rhetoric. Just look at what our media has said over and over since the coup. Even then, they are downplaying what people who live in fear of the ultra nationalists have to say about democracy there.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 9 @ 2:58 PM ET
Just watched an incredibly inspiring movie on Netflix called ‘Last Men in Aleppo’ about an organization (White Helmets) consisting of ordinary citizens who are the first to rush towards military strikes and attacks during the Syrian Civil War in the hope of saving lives from the crumbled ruins of a city.

In these divisive times it’s well worth the watch but it’s pretty graphic and emotionally heartbreaking but it truly shows humanity at its best.

It’s nice to know that many of the White Helmet volunteers have resettled in Canada.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 10 @ 2:59 PM ET
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 10 @ 5:11 PM ET
Another top notch documentary is Winter on Fire. Again, graphic and heartbreaking but it really puts in perspective a true struggle for freedom.

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 10 @ 5:21 PM ET
Another top notch documentary is Winter on Fire. Again, graphic and heartbreaking but it really puts in perspective a true struggle for freedom.


- bloatedmosquito


Is that the 2014 coup? "Euromaidan"... You know, the one where USA and NATO interfered with a democracy and used Nazi militants to overthrow a government....
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 10 @ 7:27 PM ET
Another top notch documentary is Winter on Fire. Again, graphic and heartbreaking but it really puts in perspective a true struggle for freedom.


- bloatedmosquito

More pro-Nazi propaganda. Is this from the 4th Reich Film Festival or the Aryans Matter Too Conference & Bake Sale?
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 10 @ 7:41 PM ET
More pro-Nazi propaganda. Is this from the 4th Reich Film Festival or the Aryans Matter Too Conference & Bake Sale?
- Marwood



VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Apr 11 @ 1:13 PM ET
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 11 @ 2:21 PM ET

- VanHockeyGuy


I return shopping carts.
Finally, some recognition for being civil.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Apr 11 @ 2:26 PM ET

- VanHockeyGuy

brilliant...apt litmus test.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 11 @ 2:44 PM ET

- VanHockeyGuy

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 11 @ 3:41 PM ET

- VanHockeyGuy


Awesome. I love this.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 11 @ 3:42 PM ET

- A_SteamingLombardi


There's also cart terrorists. I'll be sitting in my truck and someone will leave their shopping cart against the back of my truck or the most brutal of attacks, against the driver door I'm about to get out of. Bastards...
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Apr 11 @ 4:02 PM ET
Still one of my favs.

https://twitter.com/Laugh...tatus/1513283851006709760
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 11 @ 4:34 PM ET
Still one of my favs.

https://twitter.com/Laugh...tatus/1513283851006709760

- VanHockeyGuy



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