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VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 7 @ 9:31 PM ET
Out of curiosity, why did you do a cleanse? From my reading, most cleanses/detoxes are poopty gimmicks that don't really do much. Fasting (or intermittent fasting), though, has had some marked impacts on peoples health.
- NewYorkNuck


Over 48 hours stimulates autophagy.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 9 @ 10:22 AM ET
Propaganda, still alive and well.

https://globalnews.ca/new...ter-disinformation-study/
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jun 9 @ 11:15 AM ET
Propaganda, still alive and well.

https://globalnews.ca/new...ter-disinformation-study/

- VanHockeyGuy


Not surprising. I found this part hit really close to home:

An analysis of over six-million posts on Hockeybuzz by boonerbuck — and where they originate from — has found that Canada is being targeted by Russia to influence public opinion here.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jun 9 @ 11:23 AM ET
Propaganda, still alive and well.

https://globalnews.ca/new...ter-disinformation-study/

- VanHockeyGuy


that’s fucking gold.


“The tweets commonly express pro-Russian talking points, including that Ukraine is a fascist state or that NATO wants to expand, posing a threat to Russia.”

“A lot of the tweets in pro-Russian social media conversations also express mistrust of institutions and “a specific mistrust of Canada’s Liberal government, and especially of Prime Minister (Justin) Trudeau,” the report
found.”

I’m sure I’ve heard those exact talking points before… just can’t put my finger on where.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 9 @ 12:43 PM ET
Propaganda, still alive and well.

https://globalnews.ca/new...ter-disinformation-study/

- VanHockeyGuy


Interesting article, although the 1st response from a few will be to laugh at the article because they research their own information and the University of Calgary and Global News are Liberal supported influencers, do your own research. Russia great, Ukraines nazis, Trudeau is Castro son and Harper, Ambrose, Scheer, O'Toole, Bergen and the next great one are righteous, noble, honest, caring, empathetic leaders.

Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 9 @ 2:28 PM ET
Interesting article, although the 1st response from a few will be to laugh at the article because they research their own information and the University of Calgary and Global News are Liberal supported influencers, do your own research. Russia great, Ukraines nazis, Trudeau is Castro son and Harper, Ambrose, Scheer, O'Toole, Bergen and the next great one are righteous, noble, honest, caring, empathetic leaders.
- Makita

1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 9 @ 6:59 PM ET
Interesting article, although the 1st response from a few will be to laugh at the article because they research their own information and the University of Calgary and Global News are Liberal supported influencers, do your own research. Russia great, Ukraines nazis, Trudeau is Castro son and Harper, Ambrose, Scheer, O'Toole, Bergen and the next great one are righteous, noble, honest, caring, empathetic leaders.
- Makita


You do realize that you are doing the exact same thing as the people you are making fun of right?

I don’t think Trudeau is Castros son, or out to get me and steal my wealth. I also don’t think Putin is a genius, or a very good guy. But what is happening there is much more complicated than anyone in here seems to be willing to acknowledge or accept. And Canadian (and US and European) media is as guilty of spreading misinformation or biased information as Russia is.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 9 @ 7:06 PM ET
You do realize that you are doing the exact same thing as the people you are making fun of right?

I don’t think Trudeau is Castros son, or out to get me and steal my wealth. I also don’t think Putin is a genius, or a very good guy. But what is happening there is much more complicated than anyone in here seems to be willing to acknowledge or accept. And Canadian (and US and European) media is as guilty of spreading misinformation or biased information as Russia is.

- 1970vintage

Yes.

But at the root of it one country invaded another.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 9 @ 7:23 PM ET
Yes.

But at the root of it one country invaded another.

- golfingsince


Sure, and that’s wrong. But Makita is laughing about the “propaganda” that NATO, for example, wants to get stronger as an example of fake news. Do you believe that NATO does not want to get stronger? Did NATO not just sign up two new nations who had previously remained neutral? Is NATO not right now, at this vary minute requiring Canada to spend a certain amount of its federal budget on military arms/equipment?

I don’t think NATOs actions justify war, because I think there is always always always a road to resolution through negotiation. But can you not see how one nation would feel threatened if a global organization had military equipment and personnel in several countries on their borders. Nations who are historically opposed tho their “way of life”.

The hypocrisy is unbearable.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 9 @ 8:52 PM ET
Sure, and that’s wrong. But Makita is laughing about the “propaganda” that NATO, for example, wants to get stronger as an example of fake news. Do you believe that NATO does not want to get stronger? Did NATO not just sign up two new nations who had previously remained neutral? Is NATO not right now, at this vary minute requiring Canada to spend a certain amount of its federal budget on military arms/equipment?

I don’t think NATOs actions justify war, because I think there is always always always a road to resolution through negotiation. But can you not see how one nation would feel threatened if a global organization had military equipment and personnel in several countries on their borders. Nations who are historically opposed tho their “way of life”.

The hypocrisy is unbearable.

- 1970vintage



Far from the intention of my post, I wasn’t laughing at NATO’s intentions of growing larger. Or whether or not that Trudeau and Putin are this, that, or the other thing. I was mocking the dismissal of articles such as the UofC referenced above or and the references in the article of misinformation against the government. I took the liberty to correlate that to several posts I have read here that Trudeau is Castro son, and the insistence that any conservative is holy and just.

So Russia is justified in using any type of weapons at their disposal to attack Ukraine but Ukraine and other countries can’t join NATO because they feel threatened with their inadequate armies and weapons, and they shouldn’t accept any assistance because now Russia feels threatened because the have military superiority over these lesser nations.

You are right about one thing, the hypocrisy is unbearable
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 9 @ 9:43 PM ET
Sure, and that’s wrong. But Makita is laughing about the “propaganda” that NATO, for example, wants to get stronger as an example of fake news. Do you believe that NATO does not want to get stronger? Did NATO not just sign up two new nations who had previously remained neutral? Is NATO not right now, at this vary minute requiring Canada to spend a certain amount of its federal budget on military arms/equipment?

I don’t think NATOs actions justify war, because I think there is always always always a road to resolution through negotiation. But can you not see how one nation would feel threatened if a global organization had military equipment and personnel in several countries on their borders. Nations who are historically opposed tho their “way of life”.

The hypocrisy is unbearable.

- 1970vintage

Maybe NATO wants to expand because Putin/Russia are threatening the sovereignty of state nations. He has made no bones about longing for the former Soviet Union.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 9 @ 9:56 PM ET
Sure, and that’s wrong. But Makita is laughing about the “propaganda” that NATO, for example, wants to get stronger as an example of fake news. Do you believe that NATO does not want to get stronger? Did NATO not just sign up two new nations who had previously remained neutral? Is NATO not right now, at this vary minute requiring Canada to spend a certain amount of its federal budget on military arms/equipment?

I don’t think NATOs actions justify war, because I think there is always always always a road to resolution through negotiation. But can you not see how one nation would feel threatened if a global organization had military equipment and personnel in several countries on their borders. Nations who are historically opposed tho their “way of life”.

The hypocrisy is unbearable.

- 1970vintage



Well put Comrade!
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 9 @ 10:49 PM ET
Far from the intention of my post, I wasn’t laughing at NATO’s intentions of growing larger. Or whether or not that Trudeau and Putin are this, that, or the other thing. I was mocking the dismissal of articles such as the UofC referenced above or and the references in the article of misinformation against the government. I took the liberty to correlate that to several posts I have read here that Trudeau is Castro son, and the insistence that any conservative is holy and just.

So Russia is justified in using any type of weapons at their disposal to attack Ukraine but Ukraine and other countries can’t join NATO because they feel threatened with their inadequate armies and weapons, and they shouldn’t accept any assistance because now Russia feels threatened because the have military superiority over these lesser nations.

You are right about one thing, the hypocrisy is unbearable

- Makita


No, I didn’t say any of what you are inferring. Honestly, I didn’t read anything new or interesting in that piece. Really, Russian bots are trying to sway peoples opinions on Twitter? OMG 🤯.

Sure, you were poking fun at LH and BH, fair enough. But that poop wasn’t news, and not because it’s UofC or Global or whoever posted it.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 9 @ 10:50 PM ET
Maybe NATO wants to expand because Putin/Russia are threatening the sovereignty of state nations. He has made no bones about longing for the former Soviet Union.
- Marwood


Maybe, it’s not called an arms race for nothing. Imagine if people were civilized enough to use all those resources to make sure people were healthy and happy instead of the poop that’s going on now.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 9 @ 10:52 PM ET
Well put Comrade!
- VanHockeyGuy


Да нет
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 9 @ 10:55 PM ET
Maybe, it’s not called an arms race for nothing. Imagine if people were civilized enough to use all those resources to make sure people were healthy and happy instead of the poop that’s going on now.
- 1970vintage

So do you think Nato or Putin is more capable of accomplishing this?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jun 10 @ 12:00 AM ET
So do you think Nato or Putin is more capable of accomplishing this?
- golfingsince


Well, I don’t think NATO’s mandate has anything to do with this, so I guess Putin is more likely to keep Russian citizens healthy and happy?

NATO’s mission is: NATO's mission is to protect the freedom of its members and the stability of their regions. Its targets include weapons of mass destruction, terrorism, and cyber-attacks.

Not a member? Don’t care about your stability.

Sorry, my full attention isn’t here, I’m having a twitter fight about electric cars at the moment.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 10 @ 1:28 AM ET
Well, I don’t think NATO’s mandate has anything to do with this, so I guess Putin is more likely to keep Russian citizens healthy and happy?

NATO’s mission is: NATO's mission is to protect the freedom of its members and the stability of their regions. Its targets include weapons of mass destruction, terrorism, and cyber-attacks.

Not a member? Don’t care about your stability.

Sorry, my full attention isn’t here, I’m having a twitter fight about electric cars at the moment.

- 1970vintage

Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 11 @ 10:21 AM ET
Maybe, it’s not called an arms race for nothing. Imagine if people were civilized enough to use all those resources to make sure people were healthy and happy instead of the poop that’s going on now.
- 1970vintage

VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 21 @ 9:04 PM ET
Words from a legend!

NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jun 22 @ 10:11 AM ET
Words from a legend!


- VanHockeyGuy




Such a solid guy, was always so curious and open in his shows.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 22 @ 12:27 PM ET
Words from a legend!


- VanHockeyGuy

A true legend.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 22 @ 12:29 PM ET


Such a solid guy, was always so curious and open in his shows.

- NewYorkNuck


When I'm in Mexico, I do just what he suggests. Go to the hole in the wall places and experience real people. I have lots of friends who ask me for suggestions and I tell them if you're there for a vacation you probably wouldn't like my way of travelling.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jun 22 @ 5:13 PM ET
When I'm in Mexico, I do just what he suggests. Go to the hole in the wall places and experience real people. I have lots of friends who ask me for suggestions and I tell them if you're there for a vacation you probably wouldn't like my way of travelling.
- VanHockeyGuy


Hate people who "travel" with all inclusive resorts. Get dirty, learn the customs, drink and eat local
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:06 PM ET
When I'm in Mexico, I do just what he suggests. Go to the hole in the wall places and experience real people. I have lots of friends who ask me for suggestions and I tell them if you're there for a vacation you probably wouldn't like my way of travelling.
- VanHockeyGuy

Why go all inclusive when food and booze are so much cheaper and often better? Take a night or two when you come in then go somewhere else.
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