I’m a bit worried about the impending civil war and which side the military will land on. Might be time to start thinking about getting out of North America all together…
- 1970vintage

And go where? North Korea’s looking saner every day.

Millennials won't get this.

GYAITMFHRNBIBYA

Millennials won't get this.

GYAITMFHRNBIBYA
- VanHockeyGuy

Get your ass in the mother (frank)ing house right now before I beat your ass?

Get your ass in the mother (frank)ing house right now before I beat your ass?
- NewYorkNuck

You google it?

You google it?

- VanHockeyGuy

Was I right? I actually didn't google it... but I'm pretty decent with word games

Also gotta remember "millennials" are between 26-41 today... so we been around

I am not a fan of Trudeau, but the job numbers right now are pretty good.

Up in my neck of the woods, we are shortstaffed everywhere, from Healthcare to teachers, tradespeople, labourers and retail sectors.

Metro Van gas $2.39 highest in North America.

Metro Van gas $2.39 highest in North America.
- VanHockeyGuy

It’s Joe Biden’s fault.

It’s Joe Biden’s fault.
- 1970vintage

I am not a fan of Trudeau, but the job numbers right now are pretty good.

Up in my neck of the woods, we are short staffed everywhere, from Healthcare to teachers, tradespeople, labourers and retail sectors.
- Reubenkincade

Boomers are retiring and many young people don't want to work. We've known a shortage of workers would happen for decades. I wouldn't give that much credit to Trudeau.

Boomers are retiring and many young people don't want to work. We've known a shortage of workers would happen for decades. I wouldn't give that much credit to Trudeau.
- golfingsince

I used to work for an organization that provided HR support for BC Crown corps. At the AGM in 2014 the keynote speaker went into depth on why we were heading towards a major labour shortage. As you say, this is decades in the making

Boomers are retiring and many young people don't want to work. We've known a shortage of workers would happen for decades. I wouldn't give that much credit to Trudeau.
- golfingsince

Boomers are retiring and many young people don't want to work. We've known a shortage of workers would happen for decades. I wouldn't give that much credit to Trudeau.
- golfingsince

100%

100%
- VanHockeyGuy

Why do you think young people "don't want to work"? Is it out of lack of drive/commitment/being "tough"? Or are they tired of being underpaid and overworked in an economy stacked against them?

Honest question.

Why do you think young people "don't want to work"? Is it out of lack of drive/commitment/being "tough"? Or are they tired of being underpaid and overworked in an economy stacked against them?

Honest question.
- NewYorkNuck

Young people won’t put up with the rat race any more. Generations before them did. I don’t blame them for bailing.

Young people won’t put up with the rat race any more. Generations before them did. I don’t blame them for bailing.
- bloatedmosquito

So just hang out and get subsidized by government?

So just hang out and get subsidized by government?
- Makita

It's called "Quiet Quitting".
What we use to call "fucking the dog".

Young people won’t put up with the rat race any more. Generations before them did. I don’t blame them for bailing.
- bloatedmosquito

Generations before them did because they could get something out of it... sure they were working 40+ hour weeks, but at least they owned a house, could pay for school, had/have a retirement package, savings, etc etc. If that poop isn't available to young people now in the same way – especially when working longer hours (read: texts, emails, always "available")... what's the point?

Generations before them did because they could get something out of it... sure they were working 40+ hour weeks, but at least they owned a house, could pay for school, had/have a retirement package, savings, etc etc. If that poop isn't available to young people now in the same way – especially when working longer hours (read: texts, emails, always "available")... what's the point?
- NewYorkNuck

The point is making a life for yourself and your family, this isn’t a national issue it is international. You can walk away do (frank) all and complain or figure it out, the onus is on the individual not me or you.

My daughter and son both bought property in this market of 3-4 years ago, both are working in this rat race, and both are starting to enjoy the fruits of their hard work. They are in their 30’s and believe that they are responsible for themselves and are dealing with the same adversity everyone else is.

Is your solution that society should mollycoddle them? Give them a few thousand a month to cope while not having to contribute?

Generations before them did because they could get something out of it... sure they were working 40+ hour weeks, but at least they owned a house, could pay for school, had/have a retirement package, savings, etc etc. If that poop isn't available to young people now in the same way – especially when working longer hours (read: texts, emails, always "available")... what's the point?
- NewYorkNuck

They can have those things, though they need help. Our 18 year old son owns a 1 bedroom condo that he rents out. Obviously we helped him get into the market, but he would be a lazy POS if we didn’t make him work 2 jobs and go to school.


Also, I made the change about 4 years ago. Used a different app for work email. Silenced messages and didn’t open work tools on days off. It is great. Sure, in case of emergency sometimes you get a call or something, but I don’t think about work for even one minute during my days off.

Lastly, I think it’s parents of Gen Z, so Millennials who are allowing kids to live at home longer, providing for them instead of teaching them to provide for themselves. So once again, it’s Millennials fault…

The point is making a life for yourself and your family, this isn’t a national issue it is international. You can walk away do (frank) all and complain or figure it out, the onus is on the individual not me or you.

My daughter and son both bought property in this market of 3-4 years ago, both are working in this rat race, and both are starting to enjoy the fruits of their hard work. They are in their 30’s and believe that they are responsible for themselves and are dealing with the same adversity everyone else is.

Is your solution that society should mollycoddle them? Give them a few thousand a month to cope while not having to contribute?
- Makita

If it's an international issue, wouldn't that make it larger than an individual's onus? Clearly the whole "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" isn't applicable if this is a trend around the world.

Are your daughter and son dealing with the same adversity as everyone else? (Honest question, I don't know your or their lives.) In that, I mean how were they raised economically, what opportunities were they afforded, etc etc. Like Vintsy posted below, they helped their 18 year old son get into the housing market – that's clearly not dealing with the same adversity as everyone else (not saying that's the same case with you).

No, my solution isn't to coddle people – why is that every older person's go to? "I had it tough, so everyone else should have it tough, and if they don't they just want to be coddled!" Clearly, as you stated, this is an international issue – so something is wrong with the entire (Western) system that needs to be addressed: the growing wealth gap, the imbalance of life/work, "grind" culture, etc.

To be fair my frame of reference is more the US, because I lived there the past 7 years and it dominates most of the conversation, but living in Europe the past year has been so... relaxing?

They can have those things, though they need help. Our 18 year old son owns a 1 bedroom condo that he rents out. Obviously we helped him get into the market, but he would be a lazy POS if we didn’t make him work 2 jobs and go to school.


Also, I made the change about 4 years ago. Used a different app for work email. Silenced messages and didn’t open work tools on days off. It is great. Sure, in case of emergency sometimes you get a call or something, but I don’t think about work for even one minute during my days off.

Lastly, I think it’s parents of Gen Z, so Millennials who are allowing kids to live at home longer, providing for them instead of teaching them to provide for themselves. So once again, it’s Millennials fault…
- 1970vintage

Allowing, or being forced to house them because of crazy rents and property values? Damn Boomers shaking everyone down for all they're worth... greedy capitalists with no sense of communal responsibility /s

Allowing, or being forced to house them because of crazy rents and property values? Damn Boomers shaking everyone down for all they're worth... greedy capitalists with no sense of communal responsibility /s
- NewYorkNuck

I’m Gen X, I hate boomers and millennials equally

Why do you think young people "don't want to work"? Is it out of lack of drive/commitment/being "tough"? Or are they tired of being underpaid and overworked in an economy stacked against them?

Honest question.
- NewYorkNuck

I think many of them are comfortable in the sense that their parents still help them out quite a bit.

We pay our workers handsomely, yet many are off sick on nearly a weekly basis.

If it's an international issue, wouldn't that make it larger than an individual's onus? Clearly the whole "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" isn't applicable if this is a trend around the world.

Are your daughter and son dealing with the same adversity as everyone else? (Honest question, I don't know your or their lives.) In that, I mean how were they raised economically, what opportunities were they afforded, etc etc. Like Vintsy posted below, they helped their 18 year old son get into the housing market – that's clearly not dealing with the same adversity as everyone else (not saying that's the same case with you).

No, my solution isn't to coddle people – why is that every older person's go to? "I had it tough, so everyone else should have it tough, and if they don't they just want to be coddled!" Clearly, as you stated, this is an international issue – so something is wrong with the entire (Western) system that needs to be addressed: the growing wealth gap, the imbalance of life/work, "grind" culture, etc.

To be fair my frame of reference is more the US, because I lived there the past 7 years and it dominates most of the conversation, but living in Europe the past year has been so... relaxing?
- NewYorkNuck

my point was/is that this is the environment that is present, how do individuals live within this environment other than to grab their part of it and make what they can.

I don't not subscribe to this is my lot in life, I believe in being responsible for yourself. If you are happy with what you have, where you are, great, that is what it is all about, where you are at with yourself.

I agree that "western system" needs to be addressed, and in your country for some reason wealth and greed are applauded as a right and social programs as communism and socialism.

I'm not sure why you have to make the "older person" reference, seems as if life experience isn't respected, and regardless I've been on my own since 15 and have always believed it is on me not anyone else, I have never believed in mollycoddling regardless of age.