Agreed. Trudeau did everything he could to give this election away, but Scheer couldn’t make the gimme. Social conservatism isn’t going to win you an election in Canada.
- CubanBuffet

It’s wild that both Clinton and Scheer actually won the popular vote but still lost.

Especially considering how early this election was called.

Kind of sucks seeing the results determined 2 minutes after the polls close out here.

I know this is a polarizing topic , but thank the gods that Scheer didn’t win....bring back the original Conservative party, not this Christian Reform Party, or mini me Trump wanna be.
- Makita

Suck it Lord H!!!

Agreed. Trudeau did everything he could to give this election away, but Scheer couldn’t make the gimme. Social conservatism isn’t going to win you an election in Canada.
- CubanBuffet

This.
A very disenchanting election. They all suck.

Agreed. Trudeau did everything he could to give this election away, but Scheer couldn’t make the gimme. Social conservatism isn’t going to win you an election in Canada.
- CubanBuffet

With a religious undertone... scares the hell out of people. Why that party still accepts that is beyond me. I've always consider myself a fiscal conservative (small, inexpensive government) but I do not identify with the Conservative Party of Canada one bit.

With a religious undertone... scares the hell out of people. Why that party still accepts that is beyond me. I've always consider myself a fiscal conservative (small, inexpensive government) but I do not identify with the Conservative Party of Canada one bit.
- bloatedmosquito

They feel like they need to maintain their base. And I get that, they’ve got more dedicated “will never vote for any one else” voters than the other parties by far, but they are repelling a lot of fiscal conservatives who are socially liberal.

Electoral reform would be better.

We'd be looking at a government similar to below.

PC 114 LC 112 NDP 55 BQ 26 Green 22 PPC 6

They would have to make an amendment to the way elections are called. Work with what you have, find common ground and grow the country.

Representation by riding would also be tricky, but I think you start with the major urban centres and close ridings to re-distribute the seats.

Anything has to be better than this 2 horse race i've seen my entire life.

Electoral reform would be better.

We'd be looking at a government similar to below.

PC 114 LC 112 NDP 55 BQ 26 Green 22 PPC 6

They would have to make an amendment to the way elections are called. Work with what you have, find common ground and grow the country.

Representation by riding would also be tricky, but I think you start with the major urban centres and close ridings to re-distribute the seats.

Anything has to be better than this 2 horse race i've seen my entire life.
- golfingsince

It could be better, it could be worse. It’s not going to be politicians that bring people together though, it will be people. And people don’t seem too interested in coming together. Another problem that we’re importing.

It could be better, it could be worse. It’s not going to be politicians that bring people together though, it will be people. And people don’t seem too interested in coming together. Another problem that we’re importing.
- CubanBuffet

As we currently vote, it's certainly set up to be us vs them.

I used to think that LH's #whiner talk was mostly just joking.
Little did I know that he was infected by ALBERTATITUS. It seems that the primary symptom is crying uncontrollably.



Panel will give Albertans chance to share views about Confederation, Kenney says

"People have a bloody right to be frustrated in this province," the premier said at a news conference.

At the news conference, Kenney said he has already heard political moderates muse openly about Alberta separation.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/c...-justin-trudeau-1.5330821

fcuking whiners: just join idaho already you bunch of redneck dipsh!ts.

If you or your loved ones suffer from ALBERTATITUS, seek help or just... GTFO you american fcuking wannabes.

Electoral reform would be better.

We'd be looking at a government similar to below.

PC 114 LC 112 NDP 55 BQ 26 Green 22 PPC 6

They would have to make an amendment to the way elections are called. Work with what you have, find common ground and grow the country.

Representation by riding would also be tricky, but I think you start with the major urban centres and close ridings to re-distribute the seats.

Anything has to be better than this 2 horse race i've seen my entire life.
- golfingsince

i hear your frustration but i disagree. Proportional representation leads to minority governments. Minority governments don't last a full term. Going back to the polls every 2 years is detrimental to the country. Refer back to 4 elections in 7 years in the 2000s as to what happens when there are minority governments.

I understand the frustration of voices/parties who are underrepresented based on their actual vote/popularity. Those voices seem dismissed. However, the alternative is gridlock and a move to extremes as parties would need to guard their base intensely for risk of fracturing in a multi-party minority system.

I don't believe that minority governments "force" governments and politicians to work together. I believe they get less done and ultimately cost taxpayers more money.

Parties won't magically like and work with each other in a proportional rep model. They will dig into their positions and fight to maintain their base (look at Italy for the last 60 years.)

Electoral reform would be better.

We'd be looking at a government similar to below.

PC 114 LC 112 NDP 55 BQ 26 Green 22 PPC 6

They would have to make an amendment to the way elections are called. Work with what you have, find common ground and grow the country.

Representation by riding would also be tricky, but I think you start with the major urban centres and close ridings to re-distribute the seats.

Anything has to be better than this 2 horse race i've seen my entire life.
- golfingsince

This!

I used to think that LH's #whiner talk was mostly just joking.
Little did I know that he was infected by ALBERTATITUS. It seems that the primary symptom is crying uncontrollably.



Panel will give Albertans chance to share views about Confederation, Kenney says

"People have a bloody right to be frustrated in this province," the premier said at a news conference.

At the news conference, Kenney said he has already heard political moderates muse openly about Alberta separation.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/c...-justin-trudeau-1.5330821

fcuking whiners: just join idaho already you bunch of redneck dipsh!ts.

If you or your loved ones suffer from ALBERTATITUS, seek help or just... GTFO you american fcuking wannabes.


- RealityChecker

Well said.

I wondered how long it would take for the right wing fascists to make death threats and separation comments, apparently only about 2 minutes after a projected Liberal government, what a pathetic bunch.

I used to think that LH's #whiner talk was mostly just joking.
Little did I know that he was infected by ALBERTATITUS. It seems that the primary symptom is crying uncontrollably.



Panel will give Albertans chance to share views about Confederation, Kenney says

"People have a bloody right to be frustrated in this province," the premier said at a news conference.

At the news conference, Kenney said he has already heard political moderates muse openly about Alberta separation.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/c...-justin-trudeau-1.5330821

fcuking whiners: just join idaho already you bunch of redneck dipsh!ts.

If you or your loved ones suffer from ALBERTATITUS, seek help or just... GTFO you american fcuking wannabes.


- RealityChecker

This is the last 7 election results since 2000, what the hell do the flatlanders have to complain about, they had 3 consecutive wins and governed from 2006-2015.

37th 2000 Liberals, led by Prime Minister Chrétien, are re-elected with a third majority
38th 2004 Liberals are re-elected under new Prime Minister Paul Martin to a minority government.
39th 2006 Conservatives, led by Stephen Harper, win a minority
40th 2008 Conservatives, led by Prime Minister Harper, win a second minority
41st 2011 Conservatives, under Prime Minister Harper win a majority of seats.
42nd 2015 Liberals under Justin Trudeau win a majority of seats.
43rd 2019 Liberals, led by Justin Trudeau, win a minority.

So now the rest of the country is aware and tired of the antics and decided to cast their votes to a candidate that better represents their interests. It wasn't just to the Liberals, so HTF is this Trudeau's fault.

And if they want to take their ball and leave Canada, good riddance, they can't even process the fact that the Canadian people didn't want the Christian Alliance Reform Party, this wasn't a rigged election.

This is the last 7 election results since 2000, what the hell do the flatlanders have to complain about, they had 3 consecutive wins and governed from 2006-2015.

37th 2000 Liberals, led by Prime Minister Chrétien, are re-elected with a third majority
38th 2004 Liberals are re-elected under new Prime Minister Paul Martin to a minority government.
39th 2006 Conservatives, led by Stephen Harper, win a minority
40th 2008 Conservatives, led by Prime Minister Harper, win a second minority
41st 2011 Conservatives, under Prime Minister Harper win a majority of seats.
42nd 2015 Liberals under Justin Trudeau win a majority of seats.
43rd 2019 Liberals, led by Justin Trudeau, win a minority.

So now the rest of the country is aware and tired of the antics and decided to cast their votes to a candidate that better represents their interests. It wasn't just to the Liberals, so HTF is this Trudeau's fault.

And if they want to take their ball and leave Canada, good riddance, they can't even process the fact that the Canadian people didn't want the Christian Alliance Reform Party, this wasn't a rigged election.
- Makita

it's just a bunch of "wah, wah, wah, why should we give money to canada. it's our oil money!!!"

when the oil market tanks, "wah, wah, wah, why doesn't canada help us more!!! our economy is in shambles. why should we diversify? give us help! give us money!!!"

when they have their chosen federal government, "lol, look at all those crybabies!!! deal with election results! we won, you lost!!! deal with it."

when they lose, "wah, wah, wah, but alberta doesn't want what you guys chose! we should leave!!!! let's take our ball and go home (home being america.)"

bunch of whiney children. just like their premiers; they're fat, alcoholic whiners.

(i know you lurk LH)

This is the last 7 election results since 2000, what the hell do the flatlanders have to complain about, they had 3 consecutive wins and governed from 2006-2015.

....

And if they want to take their ball and leave Canada, good riddance, they can't even process the fact that the Canadian people didn't want the Christian Alliance Reform Party, this wasn't a rigged election.
- Makita

i believe their chosen name is Christian Reform Alliance Party (CRAP).

albertans love CRAP. the rest of canada... not so much.

I used to think that LH's #whiner talk was mostly just joking.
Little did I know that he was infected by ALBERTATITUS. It seems that the primary symptom is crying uncontrollably.



Panel will give Albertans chance to share views about Confederation, Kenney says

"People have a bloody right to be frustrated in this province," the premier said at a news conference.

At the news conference, Kenney said he has already heard political moderates muse openly about Alberta separation.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/c...-justin-trudeau-1.5330821

fcuking whiners: just join idaho already you bunch of redneck dipsh!ts.

If you or your loved ones suffer from ALBERTATITUS, seek help or just... GTFO you american fcuking wannabes.


- RealityChecker

lil Kenney in his oversized suits and his puffed out chest. What a (frank)ing joke.

Considering how the election went and some of the silly reactions after it was over, I think I named this thread well.

i hear your frustration but i disagree. Proportional representation leads to minority governments. Minority governments don't last a full term. Going back to the polls every 2 years is detrimental to the country. Refer back to 4 elections in 7 years in the 2000s as to what happens when there are minority governments.

I understand the frustration of voices/parties who are underrepresented based on their actual vote/popularity. Those voices seem dismissed. However, the alternative is gridlock and a move to extremes as parties would need to guard their base intensely for risk of fracturing in a multi-party minority system.

I don't believe that minority governments "force" governments and politicians to work together. I believe they get less done and ultimately cost taxpayers more money.

Parties won't magically like and work with each other in a proportional rep model. They will dig into their positions and fight to maintain their base (look at Italy for the last 60 years.)
- RealityChecker

That's why I suggested amendments be made to the way elections are called. Sorry, this is what you have to deal with for a minimum of 3 years. I think Parties have enough common ground to grow the country in a progressive manner, and the votes for each party will tell government what matters to them the most.

I suspect we may see this minority government around for awhile, and as a result we may end up with universal pharmacare/ dentalcare and a new policy on the environment.

That's why I suggested amendments be made to the way elections are called. Sorry, this is what you have to deal with for a minimum of 3 years. I think Parties have enough common ground to grow the country in a progressive manner, and the votes for each party will tell government what matters to them the most.

I suspect we may see this minority government around for awhile, and as a result we may end up with universal pharmacare/ dentalcare and a new policy on the environment.
- golfingsince

I think this is largely an idealistic opinion.

I believe that we've beyond governance to pure politics. It's more about fighting and beating the other guys than it is about compromise and what's right.

I also think that with every decision that smells of compromise each leader will be made more vulnerable. The leaders of the big three parties are not entirely on sure footing with Singh (and Scheer) being most vulnerable.

Once compromise is made on a key issue eg pipeline/oil, I think there's going to be a fight within the NDP. Each compromise will give an ambitious NDPer the ammunition to topple the leader and get himself the position.

And it's easy when the extreme poles of all the parties are the most vociferous and active especially in between elections. It could be argued that a minority Liberal government is the best chance for an NDP-centric policy shift through compromise, but, I think that on some of these issues, the core/base doesn't want compromise. They're at the point where they want the fight (win or lose).

In practicality, I see another election within 2 years as the global economy shrinks and economic tensions won't allow some of the environmental shifts that the NDP will demand.

I think this is largely an idealistic opinion.

I believe that we've beyond governance to pure politics. It's more about fighting and beating the other guys than it is about compromise and what's right.

I also think that with every decision that smells of compromise each leader will be made more vulnerable. The leaders of the big three parties are not entirely on sure footing with Singh (and Scheer) being most vulnerable.

Once compromise is made on a key issue eg pipeline/oil, I think there's going to be a fight within the NDP. Each compromise will give an ambitious NDPer the ammunition to topple the leader and get himself the position.

And it's easy when the extreme poles of all the parties are the most vociferous and active especially in between elections. It could be argued that a minority Liberal government is the best chance for an NDP-centric policy shift through compromise, but, I think that on some of these issues, the core/base doesn't want compromise. They're at the point where they want the fight (win or lose).

In practicality, I see another election within 2 years as the global economy shrinks and economic tensions won't allow some of the environmental shifts that the NDP will demand.
- RealityChecker

Maybe you're right. My instincts tell me the NDP knows their best chance for their voice to be heard is to hold the Liberals to task on key measures. I also suspect they don't have the money to topple government and go through another campaign. I do have some relatives out west that are prominent NDP members, so I feel confident in my assessment.

We may (likely) see an economic shift over the next couple of years but the environmental issue is never going to go away an will become more prominent as the younger generations break onto the voting scene.

i believe their chosen name is Christian Reform Alliance Party (CRAP).

albertans love CRAP. the rest of canada... not so much.
- RealityChecker

nice acronym

Maybe you're right. My instincts tell me the NDP knows their best chance for their voice to be heard is to hold the Liberals to task on key measures. I also suspect they don't have the money to topple government and go through another campaign. I do have some relatives out west that are prominent NDP members, so I feel confident in my assessment.

We may (likely) see an economic shift over the next couple of years but the environmental issue is never going to go away an will become more prominent as the younger generations break onto the voting scene.
- golfingsince

I've heard of their money issues as well so perhaps they'll do the pragmatic thing and try to keep the status quo for 4 years.

The NDP and pragmatism are odd bed fellows though.

I agree the environmental issue is never going away. This plays into my larger point. The speed by which the government is moving on this/these issues will be the catalyst for a "revolt." I don't see the government (read Liberals) moving at the speed or of the "significance" desired by the environmental wing of the NDP. That's where I see the revolt (if it can be termed that.)

Their best shot to get what they want is through a minority government, but, I see a "what's the point of compromising when nothing ever changes," attitude coming.

I've heard of their money issues as well so perhaps they'll do the pragmatic thing and try to keep the status quo for 4 years.

The NDP and pragmatism are odd bed fellows though.

I agree the environmental issue is never going away. This plays into my larger point. The speed by which the government is moving on this/these issues will be the catalyst for a "revolt." I don't see the government (read Liberals) moving at the speed or of the "significance" desired by the environmental wing of the NDP. That's where I see the revolt (if it can be termed that.)

There best shot to get what they want is through a minority government, but, I see a "what's the point of compromising when nothing ever changes," attitude coming.
- RealityChecker

IMO the largest issue and most divisive in the country is the AB issue. AB is going to need to adapt as the world progresses, yet they seem reluctant to because they've been living on the hog for so long that every kid coming out of high school feels entitled to $150K/yr.

Personally, it reminds me of the 80's manufacturing sector in Ontario although the circumstances are different. Oil (higher grade) is produced at a fraction of the cost elsewhere in the world, and the world will gradually shift away from it's reliance on it. It's a complicated mess, and one that likely doesn't have an outcome that will satisfy most Albertans.

it's just a bunch of "wah, wah, wah, why should we give money to canada. it's our oil money!!!"

when the oil market tanks, "wah, wah, wah, why doesn't canada help us more!!! our economy is in shambles. why should we diversify? give us help! give us money!!!"

when they have their chosen federal government, "lol, look at all those crybabies!!! deal with election results! we won, you lost!!! deal with it."

when they lose, "wah, wah, wah, but alberta doesn't want what you guys chose! we should leave!!!! let's take our ball and go home (home being america.)"

bunch of whiney children. just like their premiers; they're fat, alcoholic whiners.

(i know you lurk LH)
- RealityChecker

And that my friends, pretty well sums it up.

i believe their chosen name is Christian Reform Alliance Party (CRAP).

albertans love CRAP. the rest of canada... not so much.
- RealityChecker