Like Bill c11?
Historic corruption?
Doubling of the federal debt?
Unscientific segregation?
Divisive USA style politics?
Gold Rolex on "working class" politicians?
Historic levels of inflation?
Doubling of rent, bread and eggs?

Those the good things you're pointing out? Cause I'm a single father x2 and even though I personally benefit from some of the policies I have to say that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I never would have voted for Otoole but wouldn't vote for Singh or Trudeau for the same reason. Bunch of corrupt guppies.
- Pres.cup

Just out of curiosity, which specific part of bill C11 is it that you have a problem with?

I mean, there’s so much wrong with your list it isn’t worth discussing, but I’m curious about this bill and what it means to those of you who are so awake.

What? They've always been conservative since their inception.

Conrad Black is a conservative and Postmedia is also conservative and have suggested they'll move further right.
- golfingsince

I guess sarcasm font is needed.

As bloated pointed out, he is conservative as am I, but we and many other conservatives like CB can see the far right lies for what they are. Lord micro penis is a despicable human. No matter what side of the political spectrum you’re on.

I guess sarcasm font is needed.

As bloated pointed out, he is conservative as am I, but we and many other conservatives like CB can see the far right lies for what they are. Lord micro penis is a despicable human. No matter what side of the political spectrum you’re on.
- TurdFergeson

I've voted for 5 different political parties in my life although once it was the rhinoceros party when I couldn't stand any of the candidates.

There are many people out there who can't see anything aside from what they've chosen to see, including ole Prez.

I guess somehow inflation in Canada was supposed to remain flat despite it crushing pretty much the rest of the world.

Just out of curiosity, which specific part of bill C11 is it that you have a problem with?

I mean, there’s so much wrong with your list it isn’t worth discussing, but I’m curious about this bill and what it means to those of you who are so awake.
- 1970vintage

All you have to do is read some biographies of writers writing in the Soviet Union and the degrees of censorship they had to go through – government bureaucrats, So it is creeping totalitarianism if governments are telling creators what to create.

I'm in the Capitalist-anarchism political camp.

Anything infringing on personal autonomy is wrong unless it's stopping that person from infringing on another's personal autonomy.

No third party should be dictating what "Canadian" content is. By definition of the bill, if I was an online creator writing an essay that was about American government and it was anti climate change(for instance), than the Canadian government could censor my essay as it would run contrary to their political agenda. It's creeping facism.

Like Bill c11?
Historic corruption?
Doubling of the federal debt?
Unscientific segregation?
Divisive USA style politics?
Gold Rolex on "working class" politicians?
Historic levels of inflation?
Doubling of rent, bread and eggs?

Those the good things you're pointing out? Cause I'm a single father x2 and even though I personally benefit from some of the policies I have to say that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I never would have voted for Otoole but wouldn't vote for Singh or Trudeau for the same reason. Bunch of corrupt guppies.
- Pres.cup

Bill C11 - I’m assuming you think this Bill infringes on your freedom of expression as a foreign internet content provider?

Historic corruption - check out the site “Transparency International”. You’re correct to say Canada has become more corrupt under JT, no argument there, but “historical”? That’s not true and is just right wing rhetoric.

https://www.transparency....bound&utm_medium=referral

Federal debt - not doubling, but the federal per-person debt increased by 35.3 percent between 2015 and 2022. JT’s government has not done a great job managing debt. Again, no argument from me, but I think a global pandemic and recession might have something to do with it.

https://www.fraserinstitu...-since-confederation-2022

Unscientific segregation - propaganda

Divisive USA style politics - divisive yes. USA style no.

Gold Rolex on "working class" politicians - what? That’s not exclusive to this government.

Historic levels of inflation - incorrect. Not historic and it was global inflation, not Canadian inflation and as golfing said, Canada did much better compared to most other western democracies.

Doubling of rent, bread and eggs - that has nothing to do with JT. Unreliable global supply chains and really poor trade agreements between provinces creates that.

Anyway, I think you are somewhat correct on multiple points but you definitely spin it with an alt-right lens. JT is a (frank)-up all on his own. No need to embellish.

I've voted for 5 different political parties in my life although once it was the rhinoceros party when I couldn't stand any of the candidates.

There are many people out there who can't see anything aside from what they've chosen to see, including ole Prez.

I guess somehow inflation in Canada was supposed to remain flat despite it crushing pretty much the rest of the world.
- golfingsince

Really golfingsince? I'm someone that you think is wearing political blinders? Have you even read what I wrote?

Do you support Trudeau? Singh does.

Government spending drives inflation. The government bought to many doses of the vaccine and spent to much money simulating the economy. Pierre called it out 2 years ago and said it would lead to spiking inflation.

Canadians monetary savings have decreased by 20 percent over the plandemic,while the richest 1 percenters have doubled their wealth, that's OK with you?

Weird thing to support.

Really golfingsince? I'm someone that you think is wearing political blinders? Have you even read what I wrote?

Do you support Trudeau? Singh does.

Government spending drives inflation. The government bought to many doses of the vaccine and spent to much money simulating the economy. Pierre called it out 2 years ago and said it would lead to spiking inflation.

Canadians monetary savings have decreased by 20 percent over the plandemic,while the richest 1 percenters have doubled their wealth, that's OK with you?

Weird thing to support.
- Pres.cup

See right here this says you really have no idea what goes on in politics.

The NDP can't afford another election, and really we shouldn't be having another one in Canada just because it's a minority government. We had elections in 2019 and 2021.

What the NDP have done is make an agreement to have some of their agenda pushed, including universal dentacare, pharmacare, better working conditions for federally regulated employees, anti-scab regulations etc.

You want to have an election every year and end up at the same place? If the Liberals don't follow through on their promises to the NDP, the support is pulled. Even then, the support isn't unlimited it's about budget approval.

It's funny having people tell you how easy it is to see things when they really don't have much concept of how things work.

Bill C11 - I’m assuming you think this Bill infringes on your freedom of expression as a foreign internet content provider?

Historic corruption - check out the site “Transparency International”. You’re correct to say Canada has become more corrupt under JT, no argument there, but “historical”? That’s not true and is just left wing rhetoric.

https://www.transparency....bound&utm_medium=referral

Federal debt - not doubling, but the federal per-person debt increased by 35.3 percent between 2015 and 2022. JT’s government has not done a great job managing debt. Again, no argument from me, but I think a global pandemic and recession might have something to do with it.

https://www.fraserinstitu...-since-confederation-2022

Unscientific segregation - propaganda

Divisive USA style politics - divisive yes. USA style no.

Gold Rolex on "working class" politicians - what? That’s not exclusive to this government.

Historic levels of inflation - incorrect. Not historic and it was global inflation, not Canadian inflation and as golfing said, Canada did much better compared to most other western democracies.

Doubling of rent, bread and eggs - that has nothing to do with JT. Unreliable global supply chains and really poor trade agreements between provinces creates that.

Anyway, I think you are somewhat correct on multiple points but you definitely spin it with an alt-right lens. JT is a (frank)-up all on his own. No need to embellish.
- bloatedmosquito

This bill allows the government to censor what is "Canadian" content, what aligns with "Canadian values". Canada is a diverse place, lots of different Canadian values but what's going to be allowed will be dictated by the party in power. It's the ministry of propaganda, 1984 style.

Debt was $612 billion in 2015, now it's 1134.49 CAD, almost double, sorry.....

SNC, WE charity, the consulting firm getting $123M, etc... Canadian governments have not historically had these things over and over again, so yes, historical levels of corruption, for a Canadian government.

Any segregation is wrong, name a time in history when it's been done by the good guys? The science never tested for transmission but that was the "reason" for segregation. How does the science support it if it never tested for it? You're supporting the narrative with nothing to back it up except propaganda.

Calling everyone who disagreed with him misogynists who shouldn't be tolerated is a very Trump thing to say. Indefensible from the leader of the country.

Singh pretends to be working class. He's a hypocrite who wants his pension and is supporting Trudeau. Layton never would have done this as he was actually for the working class. Rolex is just a demonstration.

Inflation was made worse by the Trudeau's party. Even the last finance minister had said Trudeau overspending drove inflation harder then necessary. Was it avoidable, no, was it made worse, yes.

Rent and food increases happened under Trudeau's watch, he has to wear it whether solely his fault or not.

I'm far from alt right, dude. Socially I'm a far left as possible and believe people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe on other people. I'm just anti facist so I don't like Trudeau or anybody who supports his facist rhetoric, which includes Singh.

I've voted for 6 different political parties in the past 6 elections, from reform party to ndp to liberal to green to Marijuana party to liberals to libertarian. I generally vote for singular policies, like making weed legal or getting rid of the gun registry to getting rid of martin/ harper/Trudeau.

The only 2 times I've voted right in the past 20 years was to get rid of the registry and to end facist discrimination. All the other times I've voted left.

Alt right my ass.... that's what happens when the PM is allowed to discriminate and pigeonhole a segment of the population.

See right here this says you really have no idea what goes on in politics.

The NDP can't afford another election, and really we shouldn't be having another one in Canada just because it's a minority government. We had elections in 2019 and 2021.

What the NDP have done is make an agreement to have some of their agenda pushed, including universal dentacare, pharmacare, better working conditions for federally regulated employees, anti-scab regulations etc.

You want to have an election every year and end up at the same place? If the Liberals don't follow through on their promises to the NDP, the support is pulled. Even then, the support isn't unlimited it's about budget approval.

It's funny having people tell you how easy it is to see things when they really don't have much concept of how things work.
- golfingsince

100% correct.

Funny thing is, JT has given us multiple opportunities to turf his ass out but yet Canadians continue to elect him. I don’t like it but this is how democracies work.

See right here this says you really have no idea what goes on in politics.

The NDP can't afford another election, and really we shouldn't be having another one in Canada just because it's a minority government. We had elections in 2019 and 2021.

What the NDP have done is make an agreement to have some of their agenda pushed, including universal dentacare, pharmacare, better working conditions for federally regulated employees, anti-scab regulations etc.

You want to have an election every year and end up at the same place? If the Liberals don't follow through on their promises to the NDP, the support is pulled. Even then, the support isn't unlimited it's about budget approval.

It's funny having people tell you how easy it is to see things when they really don't have much concept of how things work.
- golfingsince

There never should have been an election in 21, nothing changed.

The supply agreement is a joke and the NDP is being used because Singh has no political capital. The NDP should have been hammering away at the liberals to get into opposition again rather then supporting him. The NDP never should have supported the emergency act, they even voted against the firmer war measures act when Trudeau senior brought it to bear during an actual national emergency.

Singh is a sham that needs to be ousted. I know many NDP voters who are disenfranchised by Trudeau calling them right wing and Singh supporting them. There's a reason the NDP are broke, it's because they don't have any character right now. I have voted NDP before, but won't do it until after this sham is over.

I have young kids, the dental plan is a joke. Make them attach dental to our medical plan, flash the card and get a filling for no cost. That's a dental plan I'd support, not getting a check in the mail because I've got kids. Singh is getting taken advantage of but needs to stay in office until 2025 to get his pension... he doesn't have the stones to risk losing it and will therefore be Trudeau's lapdog until Trudeau is don't using him. It's a joke.

People be throwing old "gold Rolex" like it's some high and mighty symbol. They aren't that expensive, really. Pricey sure, but if you like watches it's really not that expensive. If anything it's really cliche.

People be throwing old "gold Rolex" like it's some high and mighty symbol. They aren't that expensive, really. Pricey sure, but if you like watches it's really not that expensive. If anything it's really cliche.
- NewYorkNuck

Singh's watch was probably $10K.

Really though who gives a (frank)? Everyone I work with can afford one if that's what they prioritize. Instead they have trailers, atv's , snowmobiles, boats, travel etc.

It's a non-issue, he bought an expensive watch.

I don't support a plan that gives me money to help pay for my children's dental expenses because it's not the format I prefer?

Bit of a reach no?

Maybe they don't go the route you suggest so that the consumer can help keep the costs in line instead of allowing someone to just flash a card and not even see the cost of the service?

Depending on income people are eligible for up to $650 per child from October 2022 to June 2023.

You've said multiple times now that Singh is just in it for the pension. Do you have any evidence of this or are we supposed to just take your opinion as the truth.

You said we shouldn't have had an election in 2021, but you don't like anyone propping up the current government. Guess what? That's what prevents another election.

Singh's watch was probably $10K.

Really though who gives a (frank)? Everyone I work with can afford one if that's what they prioritize. Instead they have trailers, atv's , snowmobiles, boats, travel etc.

It's a non-issue, he bought an expensive watch.
- golfingsince

Singh probably had three before he was ever elected. He’s another rich kid with a silver spoon up his ass that never had to work for anything.

All you have to do is read some biographies of writers writing in the Soviet Union and the degrees of censorship they had to go through – government bureaucrats, So it is creeping totalitarianism if governments are telling creators what to create.

I'm in the Capitalist-anarchism political camp.

Anything infringing on personal autonomy is wrong unless it's stopping that person from infringing on another's personal autonomy.

No third party should be dictating what "Canadian" content is. By definition of the bill, if I was an online creator writing an essay that was about American government and it was anti climate change(for instance), than the Canadian government could censor my essay as it would run contrary to their political agenda. It's creeping facism.
- Pres.cup

I don’t think you’ve read the bill or know what’s in it.

I also don’t think you know what fascism is.

I don’t think you’ve read the bill or know what’s in it.

I also don’t think you know what fascism is.
- 1970vintage

Go read the bill and tell me that it doesn't allow the government to engage in censoring what I can say if it deems that it goes against Canadian values. It doesn't disallow this and anytime you give the government any control over what you can read and write it's another small step away from freedom, something the left seems to have forgotten in its March towards globalization.


Go read the definition of fascism and compare it to some of the things brought in during the pandemic.

The blaming issues on an "out group", the "for the greater good" rhetoric. The timidly of rights and freedoms from the "out group".

The use of mandates and coercion to force compliance.

The curbing of dissent, both through censorship, arresting ministers, threatening doctors with losing their license of they spoke against the government.

The secret monitoring of citizens communications and locations by government agencies to observe compliance, yes this actually happened, CSIS admitted it.

The disallowing of the out group from engaging in society, he'll there was even load voices saying that the unvaxxed shouldn't get medical care. People were fired and still are out of work, denied collecting unemployment insurance despite not breaking their employment contract with various agencies.

You really don't understand the roots of facism of you don't think all of those things are inherently facist.

Go read the bill and tell me that it doesn't allow the government to engage in censoring what I can say if it deems that it goes against Canadian values. It doesn't disallow this and anytime you give the government any control over what you can read and write it's another small step away from freedom, something the left seems to have forgotten in its March towards globalization.


Go read the definition of fascism and compare it to some of the things brought in during the pandemic.

The blaming issues on an "out group", the "for the greater good" rhetoric. The timidly of rights and freedoms from the "out group".

The use of mandates and coercion to force compliance.

The curbing of dissent, both through censorship, arresting ministers, threatening doctors with losing their license of they spoke against the government.

The secret monitoring of citizens communications and locations by government agencies to observe compliance, yes this actually happened, CSIS admitted it.

The disallowing of the out group from engaging in society, he'll there was even load voices saying that the unvaxxed shouldn't get medical care. People were fired and still are out of work, denied collecting unemployment insurance despite not breaking their employment contract with various agencies.

You really don't understand the roots of facism of you don't think all of those things are inherently facist.
- Pres.cup

I’ve read the bill, it doesn’t say that. In fact, it isn’t even a stand alone bill, it simply amends older legislation bringing it into current context.

The very fact that you are on a public message board arguing about the government and not in prison says you don’t understand what fascism is.

Your examples aren’t any more true than the examples from those with opposing voices.

For example, “voices saying un-vaxed shouldn’t get medical care…” this is directly related to COVID health care. Now, I strongly disagree with that position, everyone in Canada should have access to the health care they need regardless of how stupid they are.

“People out of work, being fired and denied social assistance…”

You’re going to need some data to back this up. There are certain professions which require employees to adhere to requirements of employment. Now, perhaps those employers didn’t have specific language around a flu vaccine written into their employment contract pre 2020, but I bet they do now. It’s like companies and social media policies. You didn’t use to have to sign something that said you wouldn’t denigrate your employer on social media (which you do now), but people still got fired for saying they were going to burn down their office on Twitter.

So are there people who were fired? I’m sure that happened. Are there a significant number who lost their job and have not been allowed to return? I don’t buy that.

People be throwing old "gold Rolex" like it's some high and mighty symbol. They aren't that expensive, really. Pricey sure, but if you like watches it's really not that expensive. If anything it's really cliche.
- NewYorkNuck

What “blue collar” union rep doesn’t roll into a meeting that isn’t driving a new F150 Platinum Super Crew ($100+k).

Plus, what’s the history of “the watch”? Is it a family heirloom? Was it a gift?

What person high up in the political spectrum isn’t a rich SOB to begin with? Not many I bet.

I’ve read the bill, it doesn’t say that. In fact, it isn’t even a stand alone bill, it simply amends older legislation bringing it into current context.

The very fact that you are on a public message board arguing about the government and not in prison says you don’t understand what fascism is.

Your examples aren’t any more true than the examples from those with opposing voices.

For example, “voices saying un-vaxed shouldn’t get medical care…” this is directly related to COVID health care. Now, I strongly disagree with that position, everyone in Canada should have access to the health care they need regardless of how stupid they are.

“People out of work, being fired and denied social assistance…”

You’re going to need some data to back this up. There are certain professions which require employees to adhere to requirements of employment. Now, perhaps those employers didn’t have specific language around a flu vaccine written into their employment contract pre 2020, but I bet they do now. It’s like companies and social media policies. You didn’t use to have to sign something that said you wouldn’t denigrate your employer on social media (which you do now), but people still got fired for saying they were going to burn down their office on Twitter.

So are there people who were fired? I’m sure that happened. Are there a significant number who lost their job and have not been allowed to return? I don’t buy that.
- 1970vintage

I'll stick to one point at a time.
Here's the definition.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

I bolded all the parts in the definition that occurred over the pandemic. These parts of the governments response were, by definition, facist.

I never said that Canada was a facist country, I said the liberal government under Trudeau, created facist policies.

I'll stick to one point at a time.
Here's the definition.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,
- Pres.cup[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

I bolded all the parts in the definition that occurred over the pandemic. These parts of the governments response were, by definition, facist.

I never said that Canada was a facist country, I said the liberal government under Trudeau, created facist policies.

Now you’re just being argumentative.

Centralized autocracy did not happen during the pandemic. Provinces still had a major say in how the pandemic was handled.

The only people that were forcibly suppressed were nuisances like the occupation of Ottawa and the protests that blocked border crossings. I don’t think that qualifies as fascist behaviour.

Highlighting “subordination blah blah blah” is just nuts when the vaccine WAS in the best interest of our nation.

Strong regimentation of society and the economy can also be a trait of a socialist government. I would agree that our Canadian government is involved too much, but certainly not in a fascist way. That’s funny.

Trudeau is unlikeable. I agree. But I don’t think he’s smart enough to have an ideology as radical or complex as fascism. Nor does he have that kind of charisma to pull it off. He’s a typical opportunistic Liberal politician. The Liberals have a long and glorious history of political patronage. We all know exactly who they are. But give the people a viable alternative and I’m sure Trudeau would have been gone long ago.

Now you’re just being argumentative.

Centralized autocracy did not happen during the pandemic. Provinces still had a major say in how the pandemic was handled.

The only people that were forcibly suppressed were nuisances like the occupation of Ottawa and the protests that blocked border crossings. I don’t think that qualifies as fascist behaviour.

Highlighting “subordination blah blah blah” is just nuts when the vaccine WAS in the best interest of our nation.

Strong regimentation of society and the economy can also be a trait of a socialist government. I would agree that our Canadian government is involved too much, but certainly not in a fascist way. That’s funny.

Trudeau is unlikeable. I agree. But I don’t think he’s smart enough to have an ideology as radical or complex as fascism. Nor does he have that kind of charisma to pull it off. He’s a typical opportunistic Liberal politician. The Liberals have a long and glorious history of political patronage. We all know exactly who they are. But give the people a viable alternative and I’m sure Trudeau would have been gone long ago.
- bloatedmosquito

I'm not a branch covidian devote so I disagree with several of your statements.

The vaccination was not what was best for healthy males under the age of 50. Their risk of hospitalization and death from covid was/is statistically lower then their risk of hospitalization from the vaccine. Excluding this segment of the population on the basis of greater good was discrimination. Plain and simple.

The federal government encouraged discrimination against a segment of the population in the name of "the greater good" and took steps to exclude them from society. That's a facist policy, by definition.

I'm not a branch covidian devote so I disagree with several of your statements.

The vaccination was not what was best for healthy males under the age of 50. Their risk of hospitalization and death from covid was/is statistically lower then their risk of hospitalization from the vaccine. Excluding this segment of the population on the basis of greater good was discrimination. Plain and simple.

The federal government encouraged discrimination against a segment of the population in the name of "the greater good" and took steps to exclude them from society. That's a facist policy, by definition.
- Pres.cup

You do have proof of this right?

You guys are cooked!

You do have proof of this right?
- golfingsince

As I don't follow the Branch Covidian Doctrines, I have a hard time ignoring raw statistics that directly contradict what the official narrative ordained.

Find one case of a healthy 6 to 18yo cold dying of covid in British Columbia? With zero comorbidites. It just didn't happen.

Go look at the hospitalization per capita data, sorted by age, gender, comorbidites and vaccination status, used to be easy to find.... it's been mostly scrubbed now due to government censorship.

Read the Twitter files of you don't believe they're doing it. It's not a conspiracy anymore, it's a verifying fact that government agencies were in daily contact with social media, YouTube and Google to take down and censor anything that ran contrary to the official narrative.

Bill C11 just makes that praise legal.

The hospitalization data coming out of Australia in week 49,50 and 51 of 2022 was especially interesting. You can find it if you look hard enough.

Just the Twitter files existence, should make C11 dangerous. Don't ever limit free speach, it's dangerous.

Right, so nothing.

Thanks for playing Prez we know where you stand.