I provided the data already so shut it.

http://www.bccdc.ca/Healt...ituation_Report.pdf#page7

There was one confirmed death of a child in BC under the age of 10. There was 0 deaths from Covid for age groups 11 - 19. So your point being, if young people don’t die then there’s no reason why young people should take the vaccine?
- bloatedmosquito

Here's the confirmed death of a toddler. Note that he had health conditions and was in the hospital already. It's sad when any child dies and my heart goes out to his family. I got to know many tragic cases when my first was born 2 months early. You're going past what i said and showing that No 6 to 19yo died of covid in bc regardless of comorbidites. All I'm saying is healthy kids aren't at risk and they or their parents never should have been coerced into giving them the jab.

Quote from the article.
this child had pre-existing health conditions that complicated their illness

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mob...covid-19-in-b-c-1.5392989

Why?

I am a dutiful father who the Courts have seen fit to be the primary parent with final decision making for two young children. The judicial system sees me as a fit parent and acknowledged my opinion on this specific subject to be more relevant to two healthy children than the "official" narrative.

Why, when I just got awarded custody for the second time would I not be one to comment on parenting?

I didn't assume you forced your children to take the jab although your response seems to be of a parent who did. Is that correct and if so you shouldn't be mad at me, you should be mad at the government for misleading you.
- Pres.cup

You are (frank)ed Prez.

First off, you complain about judgement and lack of understanding. You preach it in truthfulness. Yet, there you were judging parents for what they think is best for their children. You may not agree with their choice but how judgemental and hypocritical. But it had nothing to do with your custody battle.

Second, I don’t give a hoot about your grievances with your ex-spouse. If anything, it speaks of your poor judgement in choice. I know you’re strutting around after a big win in court, bringing it up any chance you get, but I only see a sad situation where children are once again caught in the middle, nothing more that collateral damage to stubborn ideology.

And for the record, I have two children. One that’s now 15 and a second that’s 12. One vaxxed and one not. My wife didn’t think one of them was in a high risk group so it was not required. I respected her choice even though I thought he should have it. Her and I are three doses each because we work in hospital settings. My one son has two doses.

I don’t like sharing personal info on here. I think it’s unnecessary. But your constant judgemental attitude needs to stop. It weakens your argument.

Here's the confirmed death of a toddler. Note that he had health conditions and was in the hospital already. It's sad when any child dies and my heart goes out to his family. I got to know many tragic cases when my first was born 2 months early. You're going past what i said and showing that No 6 to 19yo died of covid in bc regardless of comorbidites. All I'm saying is healthy kids aren't at risk and they or their parents never should have been coerced into giving them the jab.

Quote from the article.
this child had pre-existing health conditions that complicated their illness

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mob...covid-19-in-b-c-1.5392989
- Pres.cup

Again, where is the “severe” stated? That’s rhetoric that makes it sound extreme.

He was not already in hospital. He was at Children’s getting specialized treatment for his COVID. Not his heart condition.

You are assuming his heart condition had everything to do with his death and the COVID was secondary. It’s not. He died because of COVID. Treatment was complicated by his heart condition. See the difference?

You have turned the vaccine into a political football. And that’s stupid. Vaccines are a reasonable response to a viral breakout. It’s how we’ve been dealing with viruses since 1800. Damn successful I would say. The COVID vaccine is no exception. It did what it was supposed to do. Without it, the impact and cost would have been far greater… in my opinion.

You are (frank)ed Prez.

First off, you complain about judgement and lack of understanding. You preach it in truthfulness. Yet, there you were judging parents for what they think is best for their children. You may not agree with their choice but how judgemental and hypocritical. But it had nothing to do with your custody battle.

Second, I don’t give a hoot about your grievances with your ex-spouse. If anything, it speaks of your poor judgement in choice. I know you’re strutting around after a big win in court, bringing it up any chance you get, but I only see a sad situation where children are once again caught in the middle, nothing more that collateral damage to stubborn ideology.

And for the record, I have two children. One that’s now 15 and a second that’s 12. One vaxxed and one not. My wife didn’t think one of them was in a high risk group so it was not required. I respected her choice even though I thought he should have it. Her and I are three doses each because we work in hospital settings. My one son has two doses.

I don’t like sharing personal info on here. I think it’s unnecessary. But your constant judgemental attitude needs to stop. It weakens your argument.
- bloatedmosquito

Sounds like your wife is fairly smart about these things and is willing to accept the truth that some people don't require the jab to be safe from covid. She would not be considered a branch covidian and deserves a pat on the back.

The government fed your fear and lied about covid and the vax. Why would you think I am targeting you and not the government when I say that parents shouldn't have given their healthy kids the shot. Parents did it because they were misled, not because parents were abusers.

I judge parents for being misled but they're as much the victim in all this as any child who was harmed by the vax is. You feel personally attacked by my writing because you're a parent who vaxxed their child. That anger you fear isn't reserved for me. It's based on a fear that I'm right. That's why it is so hard to hear what I'm saying without pushing back.

You did what you thought was best for your child. Right or wrong that's the best ring for a parent to do. Don't let the government off the hook for their lies and coercion though. If they'd been gruel you might not have vaxxed then in the first place.

The issue I have is this government created a narrative file with fear and used coercion and that fear to push people like yourself into doing what you did. Be upset at them for telling you lies, not at me for pointing them out. It's normal for you to hate to hear these things, you'd have to be a psychopath not to be upset. I've merely shown you that healthy kids aren't at risk from covid. I never said unhealthy kids aren't at risk.

Your rage is misplaced.

Again, where is the “severe” stated? That’s rhetoric that makes it sound extreme.

He was not already in hospital. He was at Children’s getting specialized treatment for his COVID. Not his heart condition.

You are assuming his heart condition had everything to do with his death and the COVID was secondary. It’s not. He died because of COVID. Treatment was complicated by his heart condition. See the difference?

You have turned the vaccine into a political football. And that’s stupid. Vaccines are a reasonable response to a viral breakout. It’s how we’ve been dealing with viruses since 1800. Damn successful I would say. The COVID vaccine is no exception. It did what it was supposed to do. Without it, the impact and cost would have been far greater… in my opinion.
- bloatedmosquito

The child was undergoing treatment for a heart condition when he caught covid. A heart condition that requires treatment is considered sever. Hell any health condition that requires a hospital visit is legally considered sever.

This vaccine, no other vaccines have ever been used in this manner. This vaccine isn't even a real vaccine, (frank), they had to change the definition of what a vaccine was in order for it to even qualify as a "vaccine".

The covid vaccine was used to segregate society and coerce people into compliance. That was not right and should never have been done. Information, data and discourse was stifled to prevent informing the public on the true risks of covid and the lack of data on the "vaccines". This was done to prevent "vaccine hesitancy".

Never in the history of the world have the people preventing scientists and doctors from discussing a novel treatment option been the good guys.

You were dupped, the scam is obvious once you see the obfuscation. Time to get mad at those who lied at you, not mad at me for exposing you were dupped.

Sounds like your wife is fairly smart about these things and is willing to accept the truth that some people don't require the jab to be safe from covid. She would not be considered a branch covidian and deserves a pat on the back.

The government fed your fear and lied about covid and the vax. Why would you think I am targeting you and not the government when I say that parents shouldn't have given their healthy kids the shot. Parents did it because they were misled, not because parents were abusers.

I judge parents for being misled but they're as much the victim in all this as any child who was harmed by the vax is. You feel personally attacked by my writing because you're a parent who vaxxed their child. That anger you fear isn't reserved for me. It's based on a fear that I'm right. That's why it is so hard to hear what I'm saying without pushing back.

You did what you thought was best for your child. Right or wrong that's the best ring for a parent to do. Don't let the government off the hook for their lies and coercion though. If they'd been gruel you might not have vaxxed then in the first place.

The issue I have is this government created a narrative file with fear and used coercion and that fear to push people like yourself into doing what you did. Be upset at them for telling you lies, not at me for pointing them out. It's normal for you to hate to hear these things, you'd have to be a psychopath not to be upset. I've merely shown you that healthy kids aren't at risk from covid. I never said unhealthy kids aren't at risk.

Your rage is misplaced.
- Pres.cup

This has turned from a health topic into some sort of political rant. That was inevitable.

Look, I’ll have a rational conversation on health issues, but I ain’t turning this discussion into a Marjorie Taylor Greene reenactment. Spare me the political theatre.

The child was undergoing treatment for a heart condition when he caught covid. A heart condition that requires treatment is considered sever. Hell any health condition that requires a hospital visit is legally considered sever.

This vaccine, no other vaccines have ever been used in this manner. This vaccine isn't even a real vaccine, (frank), they had to change the definition of what a vaccine was in order for it to even qualify as a "vaccine".

The covid vaccine was used to segregate society and coerce people into compliance. That was not right and should never have been done. Information, data and discourse was stifled to prevent informing the public on the true risks of covid and the lack of data on the "vaccines". This was done to prevent "vaccine hesitancy".

Never in the history of the world have the people preventing scientists and doctors from discussing a novel treatment option been the good guys.

You were dupped, the scam is obvious once you see the obfuscation. Time to get mad at those who lied at you, not mad at me for exposing you were dupped.
- Pres.cup

No he wasn’t and no it didn’t say that in the article. You made that up.

The rest is just political drivel.

This has turned from a health topic into some sort of political rant. That was inevitable.

Look, I’ll have a rational conversation on health issues, but I ain’t turning this discussion into a Marjorie Taylor Greene reenactment. Spare me the political theatre.
- bloatedmosquito

Unfortunately as soon as the truth about the vaccine efficiency vs risk to healthy young people becomes apparent then the whole reason for the coercion becomes political.

I never said high risk people shouldn't have it. I have said that nobody should have been coerced into getting it.

I never said people shouldn't be able to choose to take it. I have said that people should be fully informed before choosing and that was denied to everyone due to government censorship.

No he wasn’t and no it didn’t say that in the article. You made that up.

The rest is just political drivel.
- bloatedmosquito

The child was from the Fraser Health region, which spans from Burnaby to Boston Bar, but had been getting specialized care at BC Children's Hospital in Vancouver

It said that in the article. That wasn't about covid.

Again, where is the “severe” stated? That’s rhetoric that makes it sound extreme.

He was not already in hospital. He was at Children’s getting specialized treatment for his COVID. Not his heart condition.

You are assuming his heart condition had everything to do with his death and the COVID was secondary. It’s not. He died because of COVID. Treatment was complicated by his heart condition. See the difference?

You have turned the vaccine into a political football. And that’s stupid. Vaccines are a reasonable response to a viral breakout. It’s how we’ve been dealing with viruses since 1800. Damn successful I would say. The COVID vaccine is no exception. It did what it was supposed to do. Without it, the impact and cost would have been far greater… in my opinion.
- bloatedmosquito

I stated that healthy children aren't at risk.

I stated zero healthy children 6 to 19yo died of covid in bc.

You provided an example of a toddler with comorbidities who died of covid as an example of my lying.

1. A toddler isn't a 6 to 19yo

2. Having a preexisting condition means the child wasn't healthy.

Am I wrong when I stated that no healthy 6 to 19yo died of covid in bc?

Easy question

Safe implies no risk. There are documented risks, some vaccines were even pulled off the market. No conjecture.

The government coerced people, that's a fact. No conjecture.

The vaccines drop to under 30 percent efficiency after 9 months. That's not effective. No conjecture.

Healthy children were never at risk from covid. Statistical fact, not conjecture.

I am failing to see your arguement as having any relevancy or truth as that it's backed only by the "official narrative" and not by any actual scientifically valid facts.

Feelings are not facts, your fear isn't a fact. Blanket statements like "safe and effective" and "for the greater good" are marketing headlines, not facts.
- Pres.cup

No it doesn’t

No it doesn’t
- 1970vintage

You're right, safe implies negligible risk.

There's a demographic that is at statistically zero risk from covid. Any medical intervention that is not statistically zero risk shouldn't be considered safe.
That includes the risk of unknown long term side effects.

There is zero reason to give any drug that has zero long term studies proving its safety to anyone with statistically zero risk from what the drug is supposed to "protect" then from.

It's mind bogglingly simple.

Coercion and censorship to increase uptake to that demographic isn't just wrong it's evil.
The governmental roll, not the parents.

Unfortunately as soon as the truth about the vaccine efficiency vs risk to healthy young people becomes apparent then the whole reason for the coercion becomes political.

I never said high risk people shouldn't have it. I have said that nobody should have been coerced into getting it.

I never said people shouldn't be able to choose to take it. I have said that people should be fully informed before choosing and that was denied to everyone due to government censorship.
- Pres.cup

I think you are mixing my conversation up with golfings. I’m just questioning your argument points, your hypocrisy, and how you are using typical alt-right talking points for someone who ain’t alt-right.

You said children didn’t die of COVID. I said they did and provided statistical evidence of the truth. You said “healthy” and I said you have no evidence of the patients health state prior to getting COVID. Still don’t.

It’s weird that you tie health care into political conspiracy.

I think you are mixing my conversation up with golfings. I’m just questioning your argument points, your hypocrisy, and how you are using typical alt-right talking points for someone who ain’t alt-right.

You said children didn’t die of COVID. I said they did and provided statistical evidence of the truth. You said “healthy” and I said you have no evidence of the patients health state prior to getting COVID. Still don’t.

It’s weird that you tie health care into political conspiracy.
- bloatedmosquito

I might be mixing you guys up.

The governments use of coercion and censorship turned health care into political theater. The facts in taking about aren't conspiracy theories, they're known facts.

The article stated he was recieving care for his comorbidity. I stated zero healthy 6 to 19yo died of covid in bc, many, many times. If i forgot to say "healthy" in one of my dissension of responses then I apologize.

I did say 6 to 19yo though and you found a toddler which isn't exactly not being disingenuous, is it?

I stated that healthy children aren't at risk.

I stated zero healthy children 6 to 19yo died of covid in bc.

You provided an example of a toddler with comorbidities who died of covid as an example of my lying.

1. A toddler isn't a 6 to 19yo

2. Having a preexisting condition means the child wasn't healthy.

Am I wrong when I stated that no healthy 6 to 19yo died of covid in bc?

Easy question
- Pres.cup

Yes, I think you are wrong and using pre-existing condition as a crutch. The statement on the child’s death was:

"Although this child had pre-existing health conditions that complicated their illness, it was the virus that caused their death.”

There were 915 COVID related hospitalizations with 121 critical care admissions for 19 yrs and younger. That’s significant. Yet you are using “no deaths” as some sort of signal that political conspiracy is afoot. That is what I don’t agree with.

No he wasn’t and no it didn’t say that in the article. You made that up.

The rest is just political drivel.
- bloatedmosquito

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mob...m-officials-say-1.5403185
covid was a factor in the boys death not the factor

You're reaching when you say that his condition wasn't part of the reason that he died or that it means that healthy children are at risk from covid.

Yes, I think you are wrong and using pre-existing condition as a crutch. The statement on the child’s death was:

"Although this child had pre-existing health conditions that complicated their illness, it was the virus that caused their death.”

There were 915 COVID related hospitalizations with 121 critical care admissions for 19 yrs and younger. That’s significant. Yet you are using “no deaths” as some sort of signal that political conspiracy is afoot. That is what I don’t agree with.
- bloatedmosquito

You're conflating "with covid" to mean "from covid".

That is where the governments political interfering and censorship becomes apparent

Just because you were duped a number of times doesn't mean that you need to continue with the charade

I might be mixing you guys up.

The governments use of coercion and censorship turned health care into political theater. The facts in taking about aren't conspiracy theories, they're known facts.

The article stated he was recieving care for his comorbidity. I stated zero healthy 6 to 19yo died of covid in bc, many, many times. If i forgot to say "healthy" in one of my dissension of responses then I apologize.

I did say 6 to 19yo though and you found a toddler which isn't exactly not being disingenuous, is it?
- Pres.cup

Prez! It’s a rushed vaccine to cope with an international threat. Not a sinister plot to oppress you. You knuckleheads are looking in the wrong direction.

And where did this sense of being forced to take it? I know tons of people who are not vaxxed. I think you are making this out to be bigger than it actually is.

You're conflating "with covid" to mean "from covid".

That is where the governments political interfering and censorship becomes apparent

Just because you were duped a number of times doesn't mean that you need to continue with the charade
- Pres.cup

I know, you’re repeating yourself.

Yes, I think you are wrong and using pre-existing condition as a crutch. The statement on the child’s death was:

"Although this child had pre-existing health conditions that complicated their illness, it was the virus that caused their death.”

There were 915 COVID related hospitalizations with 121 critical care admissions for 19 yrs and younger. That’s significant. Yet you are using “no deaths” as some sort of signal that political conspiracy is afoot. That is what I don’t agree with.
- bloatedmosquito

Crutch? No, that's the whole point. Healthy people are low risk, period. Healthy children are at statistical zero risk.

I asked you to find a healthy kid that died in bc. You can't find a single case so now you're attacking my abilities as a father and creating other strawman to detract from this fact.

Can you just admit that zero healthy kids died from covid in bc? Because to refuse to do so is getting into branch covidian territory.

If you can admit that, can you admit healthy children are not at significant risk from covid?

Prez! It’s a rushed vaccine to cope with an international threat. Not a sinister plot to oppress you. You knuckleheads are looking in the wrong direction.

And where did this sense of being forced to take it? I know tons of people who are not vaxxed. I think you are making this out to be bigger than it actually is.
- bloatedmosquito

You choose to vax your kids instead of confronting the coercion. Great, that's your choice but it doesn't mean that's my choice.

Do you still think that the governments use of censorship and coercion to increase vaccine uptake to healthy children was the right thing to do? Is there anything that could possibly come out that would change your mind?

You choose to vax your kids instead of confronting the coercion. Great, that's your choice but it doesn't mean that's my choice.

Do you still think that the governments use of censorship and coercion to increase vaccine uptake to healthy children was the right thing to do? Is there anything that could possibly come out that would change your mind?
- Pres.cup

I know how you feel. And you know how I feel. I’m going to keep reading, investigating, and listen to the advice of our excellent healthcare professionals while you keep building your metaphorical grievance bomb. Good luck to you.

Oh man!

I know how you feel. And you know how I feel. I’m going to keep reading, investigating, and listen to the advice of our excellent healthcare professionals while you keep building your metaphorical grievance bomb. Good luck to you.
- bloatedmosquito

Do you honestly believe you're going to hear the unfiltered truth from only choosing to listen to those who are only allowed to support the official narrative?

I mean, if you only listened to them your wife would be endangering your child by using his low risk(misinformation) as a reason to not get him vaxxed!

I support parents rights to make what decisions they make but believe they should have all the available information in order to make an informed decision. Otherwise it's an uninformed medical decision regarding a child and that's plain wrong.

Do you honestly believe you're going to hear the unfiltered truth from only choosing to listen to those who are only allowed to support the official narrative?

I mean, if you only listened to them your wife would be endangering your child by using his low risk(misinformation) as a reason to not get him vaxxed!

I support parents rights to make what decisions they make but believe they should have all the available information in order to make an informed decision. Otherwise it's an uninformed medical decision regarding a child and that's plain wrong.
- Pres.cup

Yes, you’re repeating yourself. Once again, thank you for sharing your opinion. I’ll make sure to file it in the appropriate location.