You’re already here, don’t let the things you cannot control bother you. Canada has some wonderful freedoms and it’s a beautiful place, but, so is Arizona. I enjoy living in Arizona a lot more, despite the issues with their current president.

People look to Canada, globally, to champion environmental issues, like CO2 reduction, alternative energy, etc. all the while not realizing we already produce the cleanest energy in the world and we aren’t huge emitters compared to large nations. We’re only a nation of 36 million people, despite our huge footprint, we’re not a big country.

Canadian politics are one of the reasons we decided to live in the USA, even with all the poop down here, politically, I find Canada to be more frustrating in that sense. No we won’t get shot and killed in Canada but we’ll take our chances down here lol. We (Canada) will implode one day from our own stupidity. All parties are more concerned with their image’s than doing what’s best for our country.

36 million people trying to change the effects of the constantly changing climate is like trying to save the entire salmon population with the 56 Chinook that return to a small river on the islands west coast.
- Pacificgem

I agree, there are loads of advantages to living in the US as long as you have the means as golfing suggests. I put a huge value on weather and climate. Can’t beat Arizona and Cali for that.

But I’m going to bet that if you get sick you’ll be on the first flight home. Not says medical treatment in Canada is better, actually it’s the opposite. But the cost is outrageous and I think that’s one reason why the standard of living is considered less in the US.

Oil (Direct) accounted for 2.8% or about $50B of Canada's GDP in 2018.

All energy direct and indirect including uranium, gas, coal, hydro etc. Accounted for 11% or $230B





https://www.imf.org/en/Pu...try-Level-Estimates-46509

The Oil industry directly employed .3 % of the workforce in 2018
Energy directly and indirectly employed 4.4%

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/s.../energy-and-economy/20062

Stats don't lie
- belcherbd

These numbers totally ignore so many factors, such as taxes paid by employees and corporations who’re directly or indirectly employed by the resource sector, royalties on production, etc. but I’ve already commented on that.

The greatest percentage of income for provincial and federal governments is income tax. Personal and corporate. The working public.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the resource provinces won’t be receiving any federal transfer tax money.

I agree, there are loads of advantages to living in the US as long as you have the means as golfing suggests. I put a huge value on weather and climate. Can’t beat Arizona and Cali for that.

But I’m going to bet that if you get sick you’ll be on the first flight home. Not says medical treatment in Canada is better, actually it’s the opposite. But the cost is outrageous and I think that’s one reason why the standard of living is considered less in the US.
- bloatedmosquito

This healthcare thing is such a crock of poop. You always hear about the horror stories from 5% of the population but totally ignore the 80% of the population who live happy healthy lives and visit the doctor once every two years like the majority of Canadians do for most of their lives.

If I get sick down here I have health insurance, like most Americans do. You pay a lot less in income tax down here, and if you’re responsible, you end up spending that on health insurance, it all washes out in the end for a similar quality of life.

Except 30 beer cost $16 dollars not $45 dollars

This healthcare thing is such a crock of poop. You always hear about the horror stories from 5% of the population but totally ignore the 80% of the population who live happy healthy lives and visit the doctor once every two years like the majority of Canadians do for most of their lives.

If I get sick down here I have health insurance, like most Americans do. You pay a lot less in income tax down here, and if you’re responsible, you end up spending that on health insurance, it all washes out in the end for a similar quality of life.

Except 30 beer cost $16 dollars not $45 dollars
- Pacificgem

So question, are those figures statistics, as in a proven fact, or are these biased and subjective figures pulled out of where ever the NHL derive their stats from.

Also 30 american beer works out to 12 Canadian beer, so costs are similar, except you are pissing 5 times as much drinking american crap

So question, are those figures statistics, as in a proven fact, or are these biased and subjective figures pulled out of where ever the NHL derive their stats from.

Also 30 american beer works out to 12 Canadian beer, so costs are similar, except you are pissing 5 times as much drinking american crap
- Makita

I saw your comments on facts vs stats....I have no comment except this below...


“American beer used to use alcohol by weight to denote the alcohol content in beer. Some areas still use alcohol by weight, but there has been an effort to convert to alcohol by volume in the past decade. Alcohol by volume is a better metric.
Alcohol by volume is the percentage of the liquid which is alcohol. For example if you had 100 ml which contained 4 ml of alcohol, the alcohol by volume is 4%. Alcohol by weight measures the mass of a substance in a mixture as a percentage of the mass of the entire mixture. So if you had 100 grams which contained 4 grams of alcohol, the alcohol by weight is 4%. It looks like the two are the same, but they are not.
You get into trouble comparing ABV and ABW because is alcohol weighs less than water. Alcohol is less dense, about 4/5 as dense as water. The density of alcohol is 0.79336. Alcohol by volume is the alcohol by weight times the density.
ABV = ABW * 0.79336
This means if your beer is 4% ABV, the beer is only 3.17% ABW. Since Canadian beers use ABV and American beers were using ABW, many thought Canadian beers were stronger. The myth persists to this day, even though American beers are starting to use the same metric.
Another reason is you are allowed to market the alcohol strength in Canada, but not in the United States. You cannot advertise “this beer will get you drunk” due to alcohol laws, nor can you promote your brand based on the alcohol content. Different states even have different regulations on how strong the beer can be. These help contribute to the “Canadian beer is stronger” myth.”

I saw your comments on facts vs stats....I have no comment except this below...

“American beer used to use alcohol by weight to denote the alcohol content in beer. Some areas still use alcohol by weight, but there has been an effort to convert to alcohol by volume in the past decade. Alcohol by volume is a better metric.
Alcohol by volume is the percentage of the liquid which is alcohol. For example if you had 100 ml which contained 4 ml of alcohol, the alcohol by volume is 4%. Alcohol by weight measures the mass of a substance in a mixture as a percentage of the mass of the entire mixture. So if you had 100 grams which contained 4 grams of alcohol, the alcohol by weight is 4%. It looks like the two are the same, but they are not.
You get into trouble comparing ABV and ABW because is alcohol weighs less than water. Alcohol is less dense, about 4/5 as dense as water. The density of alcohol is 0.79336. Alcohol by volume is the alcohol by weight times the density.
ABV = ABW * 0.79336
This means if your beer is 4% ABV, the beer is only 3.17% ABW. Since Canadian beers use ABV and American beers were using ABW, many thought Canadian beers were stronger. The myth persists to this day, even though American beers are starting to use the same metric.
Another reason is you are allowed to market the alcohol strength in Canada, but not in the United States. You cannot advertise “this beer will get you drunk” due to alcohol laws, nor can you promote your brand based on the alcohol content. Different states even have different regulations on how strong the beer can be. These help contribute to the “Canadian beer is stronger” myth.”
- Pacificgem

Yeah, someone just being a bit of a ...oh well never mind that.

Nice Wikipedia post, but without getting into the eye test vs fancy stats argument, and in this case the taste test vs fancy wikipedia stats, I have never really liked american beer overall.
Except once when there was a beer strike in BC and my roommates family owned Pacific Distributing, we got a pallet of american beer in the middle of the hot summer at cost, good times.

Yeah, someone just being a bit of a ...oh well never mind that.

Nice Wikipedia post, but without getting into the eye test vs fancy stats argument, and in this case the taste test vs fancy wikipedia stats, I have never really liked american beer overall.
Except once when there was a beer strike in BC and my roommates family owned Pacific Distributing, we got a pallet of american beer in the middle of the hot summer at cost, good times.
- Makita

I put quotation marks around it so you would know it was from someone else. I would hate to plagiarize

These numbers totally ignore so many factors, such as taxes paid by employees and corporations who’re directly or indirectly employed by the resource sector, royalties on production, etc. but I’ve already commented on that.

The greatest percentage of income for provincial and federal governments is income tax. Personal and corporate. The working public.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the resource provinces won’t be receiving any federal transfer tax money.
- Pacificgem

Everyone pays taxes, personal and corporate. And it does actually include indirect contributions..... most industries don't leave the rest of the country on the hook for billions in liabilities.

It does account for royalties.

Federal and provincial/territorial governments in Canada receive direct revenues from energy industries through:

corporate income taxes;
indirect taxes (such as sales and payroll taxes);
crown royalties – the share of the value of oil and gas extracted that is paid to the Crown as the resource owner; and
crown land sales - paid to the Crown in order to acquire the resource use for specific properties.

Your (don't take this personally) industry makes a minority rich (often non Canadian interests) and relies on subsidies and govt interventions to keep it afloat when the market fluctuates. It gives very little to Canada as a whole and responsible for one of the single largest blemishes on the planet.

If you want to talk about figures not included we could discuss the financial burden that will be heaped upon future generations as they try to deal with cleaning up our mess. Like I referenced earlier we are already starting to see these issues come to the forefront.

Above what? Only someone who doesn’t live here would have these false views. Many many, the majority, Americans live on much less than Canadians yet have the same quality of life. Unless you know, you don’t know,I guess
- Pacificgem

My father lives in Florida six months a year. I've lived in NYC months at a time. I think I have a pretty good idea Lefty.

Everyone pays taxes, personal and corporate. And it does actually include indirect contributions..... most industries don't leave the rest of the country on the hook for billions in liabilities.

It does account for royalties.

Federal and provincial/territorial governments in Canada receive direct revenues from energy industries through:





Your (don't take this personally) industry makes a minority rich (often non Canadian interests) and relies on subsidies and govt interventions to keep it afloat when the market fluctuates. It gives very little to Canada as a whole and responsible for one of the single largest blemishes on the planet.

If you want to talk about figures not included we could discuss the financial burden that will be heaped upon future generations as they try to deal with cleaning up our mess. Like I referenced earlier we are already starting to see these issues come to the forefront.
- belcherbd

I'm sorry but I don't even know how to respond to someone who apparently has a complete misunderstanding of our economy and how it works.

Secondly. It's not "my" industry, I'm talking about all resources within Canada, forestry, oil, gas, mining, etc. I just happen to have worked in two of them. Forestry and the Oil & Gas sectors are the two most important industries to our country. A little research on our economy would inform you of this.

Canada is considered an 'energy superpower' in the world because of our resources, this is the engine that drives our nation. "It gives very little to Canada as a whole and responsible for one of the single largest blemishes on the planet"

Thirdly. I don't understand how something so simplistic as resource companies paying our citizens great wages and collecting royalties equates to resource companies not investing in our country? Both American, Canadian and foreign companies have spent trillions of dollars in our resource sectors, employing millions of tax paying people, paying billions in corporate taxes, paying billions in royalties. You baffle me with your misunderstanding of how the economy works.

As for cleaning up the mess, what mess? The oil comes from the ground, from natural processes, time and pressure. The oilsands industry (which produces 96% of Canadian oil), as an example, is actually cleaning up the mess left by mothernature. Oil oozes to the surface in the muskeg up there trapping and killing thousands of animals, it naturally oozes out of the river banks into the rivers during the summer months polluting the rivers. On the flip side, due to government regulations it is extremely expensive to cap a well, but the companies make a big deal out of nothing, they've made hundreds of millions off a single well and then turnaround and complain it's too expensive to dispose of it properly, lol, cheap (frank)ers!!!

To be fair, tailings ponds from the mining and oil industries do make a mess.

https://www.ibisworld.com...-to-the-canadian-economy/

https://www.investorsfrie...dian-imports-and-exports/

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/s.../energy-and-economy/20062

My father lives in Florida six months a year. I've lived in NYC months at a time. I think I have a pretty good idea Lefty.
- golfingsince

Ya no disrespect, I've just not experienced or witnessed the same things as you. I've worked with hundreds of Americans and lived down here for years, personally, I see more people, average people, struggling in BC than I do in America.

Now obviously there are massive amounts of poor people in America due to their enormous population compared to ours, however, from my experiences, the general population of the average working man struggles more in BC than they do in America.

Ya no disrespect, I've just not experienced or witnessed the same things as you. I've worked with hundreds of Americans and lived down here for years, personally, I see more people, average people, struggling in BC than I do in America.

Now obviously there are massive amounts of poor people in America due to their enormous population compared to ours, however, from my experiences, the general population of the average working man struggles more in BC than they do in America.
- Pacificgem

Do you put mayo on your hot dogs?

Do you put mayo on your hot dogs?
- Marwood

Just mustard

On a side note, when I was in Holland I discovered fries with mayo, it’s actually pretty good.

Just mustard

On a side note, when I was in Holland I discovered fries with mayo, it’s actually pretty good.
- Pacificgem

you set yourself up with these jokes man

Just mustard

On a side note, when I was in Holland I discovered fries with mayo, it’s actually pretty good.
- Pacificgem

Discovered that in the '80's when working at The Teahouse Restaurant, one of the Euro waiters was into it.

you set yourself up with these jokes man
- Codes1087

I don’t mind laughing at myself.

I don’t mind laughing at myself.
- Pacificgem

i was only kidding around. Life is too short, and laughing with or at people is a good medicine

PS - Mayo on Fries sounds disgusting

i was only kidding around. Life is too short, and laughing with or at people is a good medicine

PS - Mayo on Fries sounds disgusting
- Codes1087

It’s quite popular in Europe. There’s 740 million people in Europe

Just mustard

On a side note, when I was in Holland I discovered fries with mayo, it’s actually pretty good.
- Pacificgem

Man, you could have discovered that at a few places in Vancouver. Belgian fries bro.

It’s quite popular in Europe. There’s 740 million people in Europe
- Pacificgem

cigarettes are popular in Europe too though lol

I'm sorry but I don't even know how to respond to someone who apparently has a complete misunderstanding of our economy and how it works.

Secondly. It's not "my" industry, I'm talking about all resources within Canada, forestry, oil, gas, mining, etc. I just happen to have worked in two of them. Forestry and the Oil & Gas sectors are the two most important industries to our country. A little research on our economy would inform you of this.

Canada is considered an 'energy superpower' in the world because of our resources, this is the engine that drives our nation. "It gives very little to Canada as a whole and responsible for one of the single largest blemishes on the planet"

Thirdly. I don't understand how something so simplistic as resource companies paying our citizens great wages and collecting royalties equates to resource companies not investing in our country? Both American, Canadian and foreign companies have spent trillions of dollars in our resource sectors, employing millions of tax paying people, paying billions in corporate taxes, paying billions in royalties. You baffle me with your misunderstanding of how the economy works.

As for cleaning up the mess, what mess? The oil comes from the ground, from natural processes, time and pressure. The oilsands industry (which produces 96% of Canadian oil), as an example, is actually cleaning up the mess left by mothernature. Oil oozes to the surface in the muskeg up there trapping and killing thousands of animals, it naturally oozes out of the river banks into the rivers during the summer months polluting the rivers. On the flip side, due to government regulations it is extremely expensive to cap a well, but the companies make a big deal out of nothing, they've made hundreds of millions off a single well and then turnaround and complain it's too expensive to dispose of it properly, lol, cheap (frank)ers!!!

To be fair, tailings ponds from the mining and oil industries do make a mess.

https://www.ibisworld.com...-to-the-canadian-economy/

https://www.investorsfrie...dian-imports-and-exports/

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/s.../energy-and-economy/20062
- Pacificgem

I feel like we've gone around enough and my experiences with flat earther's like Lord have convinced me not to challenge you on your statement that the Oilsands extraction is cleaning up Mother Nature's mess.....

I feel like we've gone around enough and my experiences with flat earther's like Lord have convinced me not to challenge you on your statement that the Oilsands extraction is cleaning up Mother Nature's mess.....
- belcherbd

that was a bit over the top but I just went with it lol.

Discovered that in the '80's when working at The Teahouse Restaurant, one of the Euro waiters was into it.
- Marwood

Amsterdam. Lived on fries and mayo when backpacking there.

I’m sick of the narrative that dying for some else’s political ideology makes you a hero. It’s government propaganda plain and simple.

Soldiers are victims, duped into self sacrifice.

I’m sick of the narrative that dying for some else’s political ideology makes you a hero. It’s government propaganda plain and simple.

Soldiers are victims, duped into self sacrifice.
- bloatedmosquito

Well that’s your opinion, and definitely not one I share.