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Oct 20 @ 10:51 PM ET
You are a socialist, you just don’t want to admit it.
If you didn’t believe in socialism you’d never say the Canucks should tank for a high draft pick. The draft should go in the order of how the teams finished, with the cup winner getting 1st overall. Losers getting something for nothing is socialism…
But seriously, a certain amount of socialism is required in a polite society. No matter what you think, the guy living in a cardboard box who wears his underwear on the outside of his pants is going to need a lift from the rest of us, not a job. - 1970vintage
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla! Joined: 08.15.2014
Oct 20 @ 10:52 PM ET
I’m a capitalist, through and through. But you’re absolutely 100% correct, in that we have a certain amount of responsibility to care for those in our society who need it. But, there are limits to that, or more correctly, there should be limits that a government can force those responsibilities upon a society. The federal Liberals and the NDP have crossed and blurred those lines with their personal extreme left agendas. Which they will pay for in the next federal election. - Pacificgem
Did you go to private or public school for K-12? How about your wife and girls?
Sometimes I find the people who claim they are "capitalists" benefit from the social system the most. Especially Americans. I think it hilarious that China has become more capitalist than the US. - bloatedmosquito
Sometimes I find your arguments exhaustingly ridiculous.
Sometimes I find your arguments exhaustingly ridiculous. - Pacificgem
Why? Simple question. Did you enjoy the benefits of socialist programs? If you were a true "capitalist" you would have paid for your and your children's education regardless of level.
Now that you extracted what you needed form these socialist programs you want to eliminate them? I find that line of thinking exhausting, selfish, and frankly narrow-minded. But I can understand why you don't want to engage because your thinking is so flawed.
You are a socialist, you just don’t want to admit it.
If you didn’t believe in socialism you’d never say the Canucks should tank for a high draft pick. The draft should go in the order of how the teams finished, with the cup winner getting 1st overall. Losers getting something for nothing is socialism…
But seriously, a certain amount of socialism is required in a polite society. No matter what you think, the guy living in a cardboard box who wears his underwear on the outside of his pants is going to need a lift from the rest of us, not a job. - 1970vintage
It's funny how much socialism is in sports. Draft choices like you mentioned, revenue sharing, strong labor unions, high minimum wage...
There's socialism in the capitalist North America sports, and capitalism in the more socialist Europe sports: relegation, buying players, teams bankrolled by billionaires...
Why? Simple question. Did you enjoy the benefits of socialist programs? If you were a true "capitalist" you would have paid for your and your children's education regardless of level.
Now that you extracted what you needed form these socialist programs you want to eliminate them? I find that line of thinking exhausting, selfish, and frankly narrow-minded. But I can understand why you don't want to engage because your thinking is so flawed. - bloatedmosquito
I won’t engage with your ridiculous assertions because they are completely nonsensical. Where have I ever said I want to get rid of ALL social programs? Pure lies. I just said above we have a certain responsibility to help people. You’re just making up bullish!t to argue with me because you don’t like my online persona.
In its purest form, capitalism is about money, markets, trade and competition, risk and reward. There’s no such thing as a purely capitalist country, Canada, USA, United Kingdom, Europe, Singapore, China, New Zealand, Australia, etc. are all capitalist countries, but they all have forms of socialism. Elon Musk went to public elementary school, I guess he’s not a capitalist…lol, you can believe in forms of both as a decent responsible human being. You can believe as an adult in every person is responsible for their own lot in life and still believe in social programs. Being a “capitalist thru & thru” doesn’t mean you don’t care about your fellow humans. Some of the biggest capitalist’s in history donate BILLIONS of dollars to help others.
It's funny how much socialism is in sports. Draft choices like you mentioned, revenue sharing, strong labor unions, high minimum wage...
There's socialism in the capitalist North America sports, and capitalism in the more socialist Europe sports: relegation, buying players, teams bankrolled by billionaires... - NewYorkNuck
I kinda like the idea of the Cup winner getting the first overall pick. Reward success!! Would be way too unfair to implement now though. All that success Detroit had in the 90’s and 2000’s, they only had two top 3 picks, Keith Primeau and Joe Murphy, both of whom were traded away.
I won’t engage with your ridiculous assertions because they are completely nonsensical. Where have I ever said I want to get rid of ALL social programs? Pure lies. I just said above we have a certain responsibility to help people. You’re just making up bullish!t to argue with me because you don’t like my online persona.
In its purest form, capitalism is about money, markets, trade and competition, risk and reward. There’s no such thing as a purely capitalist country, Canada, USA, United Kingdom, Europe, Singapore, China, New Zealand, Australia, etc. are all capitalist countries, but they all have forms of socialism. Elon Musk went to public elementary school, I guess he’s not a capitalist…lol, you can believe in forms of both as a decent responsible human being. You can believe as an adult in every person is responsible for their own lot in life and still believe in social programs. Being a “capitalist thru & thru” doesn’t mean you don’t care about your fellow humans. Some of the biggest capitalist’s in history donate BILLIONS of dollars to help others. - Pacificgem
Here’s where it gets annoying. When people say they’d rather fight then allow socialist policies to creep in and then complain about the price of groceries, or gas or housing.
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!" Joined: 03.09.2006
Oct 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
Here’s where it gets annoying. When people say they’d rather fight then allow socialist policies to creep in and then complain about the price of groceries, or gas or housing. - 1970vintage
Considering it's those same socialist policies that are making the price of groceries, gas and housing unaffordable for regular people? I think they have the right to complain. At some point, there needs to be a major correction.
Here’s where it gets annoying. When people say they’d rather fight then allow socialist policies to creep in and then complain about the price of groceries, or gas or housing. - 1970vintage
good luck vintage, you have already schooled the Red Deer redneck racist, now you will have another difficult time trying to educate another abrasive individual on the differences of economic systems and the hypocrisy in his statements.
Considering it's those same socialist policies that are making the price of groceries, gas and housing unaffordable for regular people? I think they have the right to complain. At some point, there needs to be a major correction. - DariusKnight
no it’s the greed of the shareholders in the capitalist markets that drive up prices. So the socialist polices made the grocery and gas companies billions in profit and their polices are to blame when the companies didn’t have to raise prices astronomically to record record profits.
It's funny how much socialism is in sports. Draft choices like you mentioned, revenue sharing, strong labor unions, high minimum wage...
There's socialism in the capitalist North America sports, and capitalism in the more socialist Europe sports: relegation, buying players, teams bankrolled by billionaires... - NewYorkNuck
Here’s where it gets annoying. When people say they’d rather fight then allow socialist policies to creep in and then complain about the price of groceries, or gas or housing. - 1970vintage
I can only speak for myself, but, it doesn’t have to be all or nothing. If you’re caring, compassionate, human being, you care about your neighbours and your fellow citizens. I don’t think most sensible people in Canada want to completely get rid of socialist programs, if that’s what you’re inferring, but they want some responsible forms of checks and balances on governments who control them, on behalf of its citizens.
Why? Simple question. Did you enjoy the benefits of socialist programs? If you were a true "capitalist" you would have paid for your and your children's education regardless of level.
Now that you extracted what you needed form these socialist programs you want to eliminate them? I find that line of thinking exhausting, selfish, and frankly narrow-minded. But I can understand why you don't want to engage because your thinking is so flawed. - bloatedmosquito
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!" Joined: 03.09.2006
Oct 21 @ 3:30 PM ET
no it’s the greed of the shareholders in the capitalist markets that drive up prices. So the socialist polices made the grocery and gas companies billions in profit and their polices are to blame when the companies didn’t have to raise prices astronomically to record record profits. - Nuckerwhatever
And yet those same companies are the ones needed to keep society running, so therefore forcing them to either go out of business or make it impossible to make profits isn't exactly a good idea. Supply and demand determine price, not government, not shareholders. If the supply is more than demand, things get cheap, if demand is greater than the supply, price is much higher to reflect this. So maybe forcing companies to artificially lower the supply of certain things like oil, gas, and other resources and trickling down to other sectors isn't EXACTLY the best way to go.
no it’s the greed of the shareholders in the capitalist markets that drive up prices. So the socialist polices made the grocery and gas companies billions in profit and their polices are to blame when the companies didn’t have to raise prices astronomically to record record profits. - Nuckerwhatever
It’s not as black & white, or simplistic, as you apparently believe. It’s actually a product of both, greed and taxation. Things in the U.S. are generally cheaper than they are in Canada, less social programs in the U.S. to pay for, along with a much higher population and GDP to help pay for those things.
Gasoline, which historically has a low profit margin, is generally taxed around twice as high in Canada as it is in the U.S., on average, but sure, there are times when business owners will jack up the prices and grab profits when an opportunity opens up. Almost everything in a country with more social programs will always have higher taxation to pay for those programs. Scandinavian countries are a prime example.
“Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.
Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: Average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.”
Nicholas D. Kristof joined The New York Times in 1984 and has been a columnist since 2001. He has won two Pulitzer Prizes, for his coverage of China and of the genocide in Darfur.
Considering it's those same socialist policies that are making the price of groceries, gas and housing unaffordable for regular people? I think they have the right to complain. At some point, there needs to be a major correction. - DariusKnight
lol, right, because grocery and oil companies are barely scraping by, it’s got nothing to do with the companies and their goal of generating profit.
“First half of 2024
Suncor, CNRL, Cenovus, and Imperial made a combined total revenue of over $95 billion and a combined total profit of $10.4 billion.”
I can only speak for myself, but, it doesn’t have to be all or nothing. If you’re caring, compassionate, human being, you care about your neighbours and your fellow citizens. I don’t think most sensible people in Canada want to completely get rid of socialist programs, if that’s what you’re inferring, but they want some responsible forms of checks and balances on governments who control them, on behalf of its citizens. - Pacificgem
I’m just pointing out the hyperbole by those who spout anti communist or socialist rhetoric when they clearly don’t understand what those words mean, or how our western societies function. There’s a lingering fear in the US and lesser Canada (that started in the what 50’s?) that communists are coming for your stuff. It’s such bullpoop. Have the NDP spent way too much money? (frank) yes, no government should be operating at a deficit, at least not when the economy is strong.
For the record, I voted for the conservative candidate in my riding, he’s a pro small business guy and David Eby been terrible for us personally.
“First half of 2024
Suncor, CNRL, Cenovus, and Imperial made a combined total revenue of over $95 billion and a combined total profit of $10.4 billion.” - 1970vintage
Again, you're talking about profits that have nothing to do with supermarkets or oil companies themselves and are the results of supply and demand for the resources that socialist policy has made either scarce or difficult, if not impossible to obtain or find new sources of. Let's not forget forcing companies to switch to unproven technology and more expensive manufacturing methods in a bid to be 'carbon neutral'.
“First half of 2024
Suncor, CNRL, Cenovus, and Imperial made a combined total revenue of over $95 billion and a combined total profit of $10.4 billion.” - 1970vintage
You have to understand where those profits come from though, specifically speaking to oil & gas. Around 80% of retail gas stations in Canada are privately owned, it's just Joe Schmuck trying to make a life for himself and his family with what is a small profit margin. People who have little or no knowledge of how oil & gas works do exactly what you just did, equate pump prices to Corporate profits. It's not that simple.
Take Cenovus for instance, they made a boat-load of money but it was all from upstream conventional oil & gas fields and processing plants (getting oil out of the ground), they actually lost money in the downstream refining division.
I won’t engage with your ridiculous assertions because they are completely nonsensical. Where have I ever said I want to get rid of ALL social programs? Pure lies. I just said above we have a certain responsibility to help people. You’re just making up bullish!t to argue with me because you don’t like my online persona.
In its purest form, capitalism is about money, markets, trade and competition, risk and reward. There’s no such thing as a purely capitalist country, Canada, USA, United Kingdom, Europe, Singapore, China, New Zealand, Australia, etc. are all capitalist countries, but they all have forms of socialism. Elon Musk went to public elementary school, I guess he’s not a capitalist…lol, you can believe in forms of both as a decent responsible human being. You can believe as an adult in every person is responsible for their own lot in life and still believe in social programs. Being a “capitalist thru & thru” doesn’t mean you don’t care about your fellow humans. Some of the biggest capitalist’s in history donate BILLIONS of dollars to help others. - Pacificgem
What? I have no problem with your online persona. I even created an amalgamation of our avatars... BloatedHefty. I'm just debating the socialist/capitalist dogma.
Jesus christ. I even created this page titled... you guessed it... "Socialism vs. Capitalism: a false dichotomy"
Do you even know what "false dichotomy" means? Relax dude.
