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Forums :: Blog World :: Brandon Smillie: Acquiring Laine Would Exceptional... But At What Cost?
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DonCherries
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.12.2019

Jul 18 @ 5:09 PM ET
2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd would get er done

Whatcha waitin for Bergy?

- RoloTahmasee

No it wouldnt, a roster player needs to come off Habs books to clear cap space
DonCherries
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.12.2019

Jul 18 @ 5:10 PM ET
Man, that's a hefty price for me to pay but is it worth moving Alzner and adding a young, large 40 goal man for the RW? Maybe...
- Brandon Smillie

If the 1st rounder ends up to be a Chipchura, McCarron or David Fischer then its actually a cheap price 😉
Brandon Smillie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.07.2017

Jul 18 @ 5:16 PM ET
If the 1st rounder ends up to be a Chipchura, McCarron or David Fischer then its actually a cheap price 😉
- DonCherries


To me, it's clear MB has no issue dealing a 1st, 2nd, 3rd for offense right now, just add a top prospect to that and it should get a few conversations started? Adding Suzuki and Juulsen plus more picks should get ppl chatting if they need to make some big decisions for their own club, like the Jets appear they have to do.
DonCherries
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.12.2019

Jul 18 @ 5:18 PM ET
To me, it's clear MB has no issue dealing a 1st, 2nd, 3rd for offense right now, just add a top prospect to that and it should get a few conversations started? Adding Suzuki and Juulsen plus more picks should get ppl chatting if they need to make some big decisions for their own club, like the Jets appear they have to do.
- Brandon Smillie

Agreed but we need to shed some salary in the deal ideally
Brandon Smillie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.07.2017

Jul 18 @ 5:33 PM ET
Agreed but we need to shed some salary in the deal ideally
- DonCherries


100% agree. I mentioned about $4 mill in the blog to even make a deal possible. Unless Laine wants that Aho money!
Popofjc
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Quebec City, QC
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jul 18 @ 5:33 PM ET
I really really don't want to lose Suzuki. Honestly, even tough Poehling is more ready, I believe Suzuki as a higher ceiling offensively than Poehling (which I do like too).

Honestly I would prefer give more picks and less prospects if possible.

Maybe something like Drouin, Juulsen and 2x 1st picks?
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jul 18 @ 5:35 PM ET
100% agree. I mentioned about $4 mill in the blog to even make a deal possible. Unless Laine wants that Aho money!
- Brandon Smillie

Not sure he's worth the Aho money, let alone more
Brandon Smillie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.07.2017

Jul 18 @ 5:37 PM ET
Not sure he's worth the Aho money, let alone more
- Takemedrunkimhome


Goal scorers get the money though. It’s just how it is.
Brandon Smillie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.07.2017

Jul 18 @ 5:40 PM ET
I really really don't want to lose Suzuki. Honestly, even tough Poehling is more ready, I believe Suzuki as a higher ceiling offensively than Poehling (which I do like too).

Honestly I would prefer give more picks and less prospects if possible.

Maybe something like Drouin, Juulsen and 2x 1st picks?

- Popofjc


I mean, I would do all picks but the Habs need to clear cap space too to make a deal happen. Plus the Jets would have to bring in something more than mid round 1sts to make sure they didn’t look inept to their fan base. Everything likely revolves around a blue chip prospect, almost half a draft worth of picks plus an NHL player or two. Imo of course.
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jul 18 @ 5:40 PM ET
Goal scorers get the money though. It’s just how it is.
- Brandon Smillie

He's trending the wrong way in those goals and outside of scoring goals he doesn't do much well
Brandon Smillie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.07.2017

Jul 18 @ 5:45 PM ET
He's trending the wrong way in those goals and outside of scoring goals he doesn't do much well
- Takemedrunkimhome


I will respectfully agree to disagree on Laine’s potential
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jul 18 @ 5:46 PM ET
I will respectfully agree to disagree on Laine’s potential
- Brandon Smillie

I'm not disagreeing on his potential...but not sure you pay that much for potential when the rest of the game is pretty flawed
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jul 18 @ 5:48 PM ET
He's trending the wrong way in those goals and outside of scoring goals he doesn't do much well
- Takemedrunkimhome

He needs a bridge deal since he might be like neon Dion and peaked in his first season...
DonCherries
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.12.2019

Jul 18 @ 5:48 PM ET
He's trending the wrong way in those goals and outside of scoring goals he doesn't do much well
- Takemedrunkimhome

Only last year was on off year. No trend yet. You dont score 80 goals in your first 2 seasons without being CRAZY talented.
apex123
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.23.2016

Jul 18 @ 6:05 PM ET
Acquiring Laine isn't worth with how much you have to give up in trade value and in cap space to sign him as well. Even if we acquired him and signed him at 10 million a year it still leaves a massive hole at the more important defenseman position.
DodgeSoups
Montreal Canadiens
Location: BC
Joined: 06.30.2019

Jul 18 @ 6:07 PM ET
I would trade Drouin, either Suzuki or Poehling, either Folin or Reilly and a 1st (2021) and 2nd (2020).

Jets choose the forward prospect they prefer, and one of 2 signed D men. I would like to see Juulsen stay, he played some real good hockey before his eye injury. I believe he’s a better 3rd pairing RD then Folin, and has a higher ceiling. Folin played well last year, so that makes him a good trade piece. And the Jets can choose between an offensive minded D (Reilly), or a stay at home guy (Folin).
Brandon Smillie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.07.2017

Jul 18 @ 6:11 PM ET
I would trade Drouin, either Suzuki or Poehling, either Folin or Reilly and a 1st (2021) and 2nd (2020).

Jets choose the forward prospect they prefer, and one of 2 signed D men. I would like to see Juulsen stay, he played some real good hockey before his eye injury. I believe he’s a better 3rd pairing RD then Folin, and has a higher ceiling. Folin played well last year, so that makes him a good trade piece. And the Jets can choose between an offensive minded D (Reilly), or a stay at home guy (Folin).

- DodgeSoups


Astute comment.
apex123
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.23.2016

Jul 18 @ 6:12 PM ET
I would trade Drouin, either Suzuki or Poehling, either Folin or Reilly and a 1st (2021) and 2nd (2020).

Jets choose the forward prospect they prefer, and one of 2 signed D men. I would like to see Juulsen stay, he played some real good hockey before his eye injury. I believe he’s a better 3rd pairing RD then Folin, and has a higher ceiling. Folin played well last year, so that makes him a good trade piece. And the Jets can choose between an offensive minded D (Reilly), or a stay at home guy (Folin).

- DodgeSoups


You're essentially upgrading Drouin to score 20 more goals at the cost of a 1rst, one of our better prospects, and at least 5 million in cap space. It'd be cool to have Laine on the team, but there is no way that makes us better in the long term.
Salami_Tsunami
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 06.04.2016

Jul 18 @ 6:18 PM ET
Not sure he's worth the Aho money, let alone more
- Takemedrunkimhome


I agree with this. He is a hell of a goal scorer (usually) but passed that he is sort of a one dimensional winger. For the purpose of this blog, a worst case scenario is probably a good way to go, but I thought that 10.5mil was being pretty generous. I think Aho is a steal so maybe Laine ends up with more. But that isn't to say that Laine is worth more than Aho in my opinion.
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Jul 18 @ 6:23 PM ET
We can likely presume the ask from Laine's camp is in the $10 million range thanks to recent contracts signed by Hayes ($7.1 mill per by 7 years, 27 yrs old, 40-50 pt player), and Skinner ($9 mill by 8 years, 27 yrs old, 50-60 pt player).


Good article except for this part - which imo changes the entire point. Laine is an RFA which is far different than a sought-after UFA. He struggled mightily in the 2019 calendar year as well, and much like Monahan for our team, is fairly useless if he's not scoring. If he was to be a consistent sniper throughout this whole year then 10-10.5 is possible.

But if this trade is to happen and unless Bergevin is a real pushover, it would be egregious to give a 10M contract to a pure sniper without much of anything else. I'd say 8.5 for 6 years or 9 for 8 years would do.
Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

Jul 18 @ 6:23 PM ET
If any of you Habs fans actually think a package with Drouin as the main component will get Laine then the water in Montreal is spiked.
It starts with Domi and one of your top 4 prospects like Poehling.
Otherwise Winnipeg will just shop him elsewhere.
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Jul 18 @ 6:26 PM ET
Few things,
-alzner, lol, let’s get real

-jets don’t need goalie prospects, we had two goalies in the top 10 save % in the AHL last year and our starter is locked up long term

-our depth in D is not bad, Heinola, Samberg and Niku are all future regulars on Jets D.

-stop comparing Laine and Domi. Look at the history of the nhl and compare who’s scored as much as Laine at his age.

-Jets would absolutely want one of Drouin or Domi. Then Suzuki, then add another prospect or pick. Not saying you’d like that but that’s the cost.

- Ross77




No other comment needed.
flipneil
Joined: 02.22.2007

Jul 18 @ 6:30 PM ET

Being neutral on this, I think Canadiens fans are undervaluing the superstar potential that Laine brings. They have no one close to him. He was a close 2nd to Matthews in their draft year.
Discussions I believe should start with Jesperi, Poehling and a 1st ..... at minimum.
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jul 18 @ 6:30 PM ET
You guys don't watch too much on the west I take it. Laine plays smaller than Drouin. He doesn't hit hard much. He's a pure sniper who tries to sneak into the queit dangerous areas and plays point on the pp.

When he's targeted physically he comes off his game. Everytime I read his reported size I think, is that true?

Does his game continue to evolve. He can score, that's for sure. But he's fairly one-dimensional and thus linemate dependent. I'll bet, without looking his metrics show some of this.
flipneil
Joined: 02.22.2007

Jul 18 @ 6:37 PM ET
You guys don't watch too much on the west I take it. Laine plays smaller than Drouin. He doesn't hit hard much. He's a pure sniper who tries to sneak into the queit dangerous areas and plays point on the pp.

When he's targeted physically he comes off his game. Everytime I read his reported size I think, is that true?

Does his game continue to evolve. He can score, that's for sure. But he's fairly one-dimensional and thus linemate dependent. I'll bet, without looking his metrics show some of this.

- BluemanGuruu


Yes, one dimensional kinda like Ovechkin who just finds an open spot, sit there and wait to get a pass.
Natural scorers are viewed differently than someone like Domi
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