I used to put more stock in World Juniors performance. Mittelstadt was the tournament MVP in 2018. Eichel disappeared when it mattered most in 2015. It's far from an accurate foreshadowing.
- buffalofan19

Context is definitely important.

Being a returning player Cozens was supposed to dominate this tournament and he has for the most part.

Can’t say I expected Peterka to have as good a tournament he had, and in the grand scheme of things it might not mean Jack squat, but I’m sure that experience has definitely helped his development and that’s all we can ask for.

You're talking about applying analytics to 18 year olds. If a 9th pick turns into an all-star at all, it's a surprise.

These were the #6 and #7 rated NA skaters. It's not nearly as egregious as you're making it out to be.
- Lunaion

👏👏👏

Context is definitely important.

Being a returning player Cozens was supposed to dominate this tournament and he has for the most part.

Can’t say I expected Peterka to have as good a tournament he had, and in the grand scheme of things it might not mean Jack squat, but I’m sure that experience has definitely helped his development and that’s all we can ask for.
- Pegullaville

It’s also not a sure thing Mittelstadt is a nothing-burger either.

Alex Nylander completely disappeared when he faced tough competition at the WJ and it’s exactly what’s happened in the NHL

It’s also not a sure thing Mittelstadt is a nothing-burger either.

Alex Nylander completely disappeared when he faced tough competition at the WJ and it’s exactly what’s happened in the NHL
- sbroads24

I think the point here is that it’s not always correlative
Sometimes this tourney is a good indicator,
but sometimes not as well

I think the point here is that it’s not always correlative
Sometimes this tourney is a good indicator,
but sometimes not as well
- jdfitz77

Mittelstadt put up the points, as has Zegras this year, but I can definitely tell the difference in the performances they have had in their respective tournaments.

Zegras is driving offence, possession, individual scoring chances, his shot has also been more of a factor. Mittelstadt definitely drove offence as well but not at the rate Zegras has.

WJC will never be and end all be all but it is a good measuring stick for certain aspects of a players game.

The draft age should be bumped back up to 20 (which it never will, but that's my opinion).

Mittelstadt put up the points, as has Zegras this year, but I can definitely tell the difference in the performances they have had in their respective tournaments.

Zegras is driving offence, possession, individual scoring chances, his shot has also been more of a factor. Mittelstadt definitely drove offence as well but not at the rate Zegras has.

WJC will never be and end all be all but it is a good measuring stick for certain aspects of a players game.
- Pegullaville

You also can’t deny that our 34th pick has made a giant impact for his team while our 8th overall pick has been basically a non factor for his.

The draft age should be bumped back up to 20 (which it never will, but that's my opinion).
- Powerslave

Yeah, it's logistically almost impossible. Add that to the pile of things the NHL has goofed up

The big difference is that Cozens is physically ready to play in the NHL. Most of the time, you're left questioning their strength or speed.
- Lunaion

Wonder if cozens had a legitimate shot of making the team last year , until he broke his arm?

NHL size and speed if I remember correctly from last tournament.

So you’re not ok with picking a guy at 8,
who was supposedly ranked around 15 (7 spots higher difference)

But now you’re calling him a late1st/early2nd (split the difference & say 31st), and you’d have been ok picking him in the mid1st (around 15th),
which would be roughly 16spots higher

That doesn’t make much sense
- jdfitz77

Average rank had him 12th. And if you think Quinn has looked pedestrian in the tournament, you should have watched Rossi. An absolute non- factor. I know his team wasn’t talented but he got big minutes and did nothing.

Perfetti looks okay, not any better or worse than Quinn

Lundell is the guy we might regret not drafting. He has a man’s body already and is noticeable most shifts

Average rank had him 12th. And if you think Quinn has looked pedestrian in the tournament, you should have watched Rossi. An absolute non- factor. I know his team wasn’t talented but he got big minutes and did nothing.

Perfetti looks okay, not any better or worse than Quinn

Lundell is the guy we might regret not drafting. He has a man’s body already and is noticeable most shifts
- turbo044

Thats an understatement. He was on a team that got out scored 41-1.

He was never going to do well

You also can’t deny that our 34th pick has made a giant impact for his team while our 8th overall pick has been basically a non factor for his.
- sbroads24

As much as I disagree with your constant complaing in regards to the Quinn pick. You kinda have a point.

From a "mvp" perspective the 34th pick was a huge value to his team. Stuzel was obviously awesome as well for Germany.

After this tournament, , a redraft would favor peterka.
Probably move up 10 spots and quinn maybe down a few spots or stay put.

No cozens/Quinn and Canada just promotes another 1st round pick.

As much as I disagree with your constant complaing in regards to the Quinn pick. You kinda have a point.

From a "mvp" perspective the 34th pick was a huge value to his team. Stuzel was obviously awesome as well for Germany.

After this tournament, , a redraft would favor peterka.
Probably move up 10 spots and quinn maybe down a few spots or stay put.

No cozens and Canada just promotes another 1st round pick.
- Boss34

If I didn’t feel Rossi and Lundell were going to be as good as I think based on what I’ve read, I wouldn’t have complained. I think Quinn is fine for a 12-15th overall pick

You also can’t deny that our 34th pick has made a giant impact for his team while our 8th overall pick has been basically a non factor for his.
- sbroads24

JJ was great for an overmatched German team.

Here’s a stat line for another player: 6 games, 1 goal, 4 assists +10

Not too bad I’d say. This from a player who’s constantly driving to the net and plays the final minutes in close games for Canada. The stat line is Quinn’s. He has to get bigger but has been fine. Guessing you’re not watching the games and say he sucks cuz he wasn’t your choice for the pick.

Wasn’t my pick either, Lundell
Would have been, but I’m not going to make up a narrative that he sucks either

JJ was great for an overmatched German team.

Here’s a stat line for another player: 6 games, 1 goal, 4 assists +10

Not too bad I’d say. This from a player who’s constantly driving to the net and plays the final minutes in close games for Canada. The stat line is Quinn’s. He has to get bigger but has been fine. Guessing you’re not watching the games and say he sucks cuz he wasn’t your choice for the pick.

Wasn’t my pick either, Lundell
Would have been, but I’m not going to make up a narrative that he sucks either
- turbo044

Peterka also got to play with Stutzle.

I’m sure if Rossi had a capable player like Stutzle he would have looked more impressive.

If I didn’t feel Rossi and Lundell were going to be as good as I think based on what I’ve read, I wouldn’t have complained. I think Quinn is fine for a 12-15th overall pick
- sbroads24

Maybe we could have moved down a few spots, maybe a veteran gm could have gained some murracncy.

I like that gmka took the guy he wanted. The analytics b.s. is ear candy and possibly a smoke screen.

NFL draft, you absolutely get a 3rd or 4rh for moving from 8 to 11.

It's the nhl, we all know high end talent is more "sure" at the top. After 5 it's a crap shoot most years.

Do teams move down a few spots with regularity in the 1st round?

Lunaion help me out with the last part please

Wonder if cozens had a legitimate shot of making the team last year , until he broke his arm?

NHL size and speed if I remember correctly from last tournament.
- Boss34

I doubt it, probably forced a discussion on keeping him for 9 games though. Probably made the right call, but I don't doubt he could have put up some Girgensons-like numbers and held his own.

JJ was great for an overmatched German team.

Here’s a stat line for another player: 6 games, 1 goal, 4 assists +10

Not too bad I’d say. This from a player who’s constantly driving to the net and plays the final minutes in close games for Canada. The stat line is Quinn’s. He has to get bigger but has been fine. Guessing you’re not watching the games and say he sucks cuz he wasn’t your choice for the pick.

Wasn’t my pick either, Lundell
Would have been, but I’m not going to make up a narrative that he sucks either
- turbo044

His goal is an empty netter, no?

That’s impressive for a goal scoring winger who was picked top 10?

Nah. He’s been pretty non existent, and saying otherwise is being very disingenuous

JJ was great for an overmatched German team.

Here’s a stat line for another player: 6 games, 1 goal, 4 assists +10

Not too bad I’d say. This from a player who’s constantly driving to the net and plays the final minutes in close games for Canada. The stat line is Quinn’s. He has to get bigger but has been fine. Guessing you’re not watching the games and say he sucks cuz he wasn’t your choice for the pick.

Wasn’t my pick either, Lundell
Would have been, but I’m not going to make up a narrative that he sucks either
- turbo044

Quinn looks bigger than I expected.
I thought I heard something about growing an inch and 10 lbs. Since the draft?

I may have misheard this, as the draft was pretty recent to grow an inch.

I doubt it, probably forced a discussion on keeping him for 9 games though. Probably made the right call, but I don't doubt he could have put up some Girgensons-like numbers and held his own.

- Lunaion

I might put up girgensons number from my couch this season 😟

Maybe we could have moved down a few spots, maybe a veteran gm could have gained some murracncy.

I like that gmka took the guy he wanted. The analytics b.s. is ear candy and possibly a smoke screen.

NFL draft, you absolutely get a 3rd or 4rh for moving from 8 to 11.

It's the nhl, we all know high end talent is more "sure" at the top. After 5 it's a crap shoot most years.

Do teams move down a few spots with regularity in the 1st round?

Lunaion help me out with the last part please
- Boss34

You can check on it if you want. I don't feel like team's move up or down a couple spots in the top 10 very often.

You can check on it if you want. I don't feel like team's move up or down a couple spots in the top 10 very often.
- Lunaion

Just curious, doesn't seem very frequent.
You seem to have a grasp on everything

Top picks after the top few guys are basically the same.

Kids are too young, that's why movement is difficult.

Just curious, doesn't seem very frequent.
You seem to have a grasp on everything

Top picks after the top few guys are basically the same.

Kids are too young, that's why movement is difficult.
- Boss34

You're giving me too much credit. I'm pretty good with the cap and cba. I'm just another guy with an opinion on everything else.

Why he go 9th then?
- ZiggyBuff

Why did Pastrnak go in the 20's?

You also can’t deny that our 34th pick has made a giant impact for his team while our 8th overall pick has been basically a non factor for his.
- sbroads24

Quinn would be getting much better opportunity on Germany, Slovakia, etc though too

Regardless of if he looked great like Peterka or Cozens, he’d still have a ways to go before he’s making an impact for us

Let’s just see how this all plays out
Gonna take more time than a 2week tourney to figure it out