Maybe ?

I just find him underwhelming, especially for a # 1 overall pick. Jeez, he was benched this year !

I expected more. Hopefully, he gets better. That's all I want : For him to be better - and sure - more electric, and more commanding. Be more "first overall" looking.
- kritter65

I was really just bringing this up because of the heat Olofsson takes on here. But he has looked lost, and really hasn't gotten any better the last couple years. Yes he is still very young and probably will get better, just don't think it will happen with this coach.

Personally, I just don't see either of those packages as appealing. Time the Sabres learned from the Lehner fiasco and stopped giving 1st rounders, or in this scenario, big pieces and 1st rounders for goalies. Rather draft Wallstedt.

If we can't acquire one this year, wait, we have 2 that should play meaningful games soon. Sign a replacement for Hutton as a backup, hope that Ullmark improves if he resigns.
- RhinoFan

See how UPL looks, Rochester opens there Preseason tonight I believe.

0.08% positivity rate in the NFL over an entire season.

5 teams shut down in the first month of a shortened NHL season.

I mean. This is an entirely new level of incompetence. Bettman needs to step down. I'm pretty sure he has Parkinson's disease anyway. All joking aside, you seen him speak at events lately? He shakes as bad as Michael J. Fox.
- 3rd GM's the charm

someone needs to shoot you to the moon..

See how UPL looks, Rochester opens there Preseason tonight I believe.
- Buff36

i kind of doubt he is ready to be in buffalo full time next season but he may be able to come up as a relief to see how he does mid season.. goalies just take a while and he has had surgeries. i am not super confident he will ever be what we all have tried to make him out to be

Just my 2 cents.

If Im Anaheim and Im trading Gibson, or Im Arizona, trading Kuemper, Im looking to rebuild, even on a small scale.

Theres no way Im interested in 68 or 23, just based on the fact that both will be 26 and well paid by the time the league resembles anything close to normal.

Im talking Cozens or Quinn, hell, even Dahlin and Picks way before Im thinking about guys who best production/salary ratio is soon behind them
- Blockhead

Quality post...more like $0.04 worth!
At a high level I agree.

The only issue is with an in-season trade, many teams don't have the available cap space, so varying levels of Cap hit has to come back. Additionally, trades normally have some form of structure in evolving Players, Prospects and Picks...the exact formula also varies.

someone needs to shoot you to the moon..
- SabresFaninIndiana

However, I've wondered about Bettman myself. He just doesn't look well.

Trading Cozens for Gibson would be up there with not drafting Draisaitl.

If he gets us a top goalie in the league id be all for it. They'd want goal scoring so give em cozens. Gibsons been one of the best for a few years now and hes signed for like 6 more years.

If I try to get freaky. Gibson for Mitts, Tage, Miller, 2 firsts(maybe 3), Hutton(for cap purposes), Quinn, one of the D prospects, They can have their combo out of the 7 choices and then we'd get to keep both Rasmus and Cozens.

A man can Dream

- DirtyDan

You can't be serious 3 first round picks ? Also

Trading Cozens for Gibson would be up there with not drafting Draisaitl.
- MGK

Agreed.
They should not trade away Cozens, and try like hell to get away with detaining Quinn as well.

Many teams interested in Gibson would need to trace Cap back, not all, but many. If that precludes us from trading for either, so be it.
In a Player, Prospect, Picks scenario, personally I think this is strong enough..if not, move along IMO

2 Players: Olofsson, a 60-80 Pt pace player; Miller, a decent RhD that they need now
2 Prospects: A-level in UPL, B-level in CJ Smith, or take Tage if they want
1 Pick: 2021-1st

You can't be serious 3 first round picks ? Also
- MGK

Ya, that's crazy talk. Easy pass.

Agreed.
They should not trade away Cozens, and try like hell to get away with detaining Quinn as well.

Many teams interested in Gibson would need to trace Cap back, not all, but many. If that precludes us from trading for either, so be it.
In a Player, Prospect, Picks scenario, personally I think this is strong enough..if not, move along IMO

2 Players: Olofsson, a 60-80 Pt pace player; Miller, a decent RhD that they need now
2 Prospects: A-level in UPL, B-level in CJ Smith, or take Tage if they want
1 Pick: 2021-1st
- IonSabres

So your trading among other things, a point per game type guy with 70 nhl games under his belt for a goalie upgrade? It's an opinion IMO.

but, does gibson a frindge top 1/2 of the league goalie, make up that point per game , that you traded away?

Not only olo, but any ppg guy for a upgrade in net.
Is there any presidense set in the league?
Do that many point per game guys get traded... for a goalie?

Does that ppg game actually take a goal per game from the team?
Does the other goalie really save a goal per game more than our current tandem? ☝️

Like sands thru the hourglass...

did anyone other then Ralph test positive?
- homiedclown

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So your trading among other things, a point per game type guy with 70 nhl games under his belt for a goalie upgrade? It's an opinion IMO.

but, does gibson a frindge top 1/2 of the league goalie, make up that point per game , that you traded away?

Not only olo, but any ppg guy for a upgrade in net.
Is there any presidense set in the league?
Do that many point per game guys get traded... for a goalie?

Does that ppg game actually take a goal per game from the team?
Does the other goalie really save a goal per game more than our current tandem? ☝️

Like sands thru the hourglass...
- Boss34

You are looking for definitive answers about the future, it doesn't happen with anything in which chance plays a role. So I can't provide those answers.

What I can provide, again is reasons to support this strategy.
It is a strategy to change the composition of the team for the next 7 years.
You like Vasilivskiy in Tampa? That is what you are getting.

Replacing Olo isn't going to happen 1:1 this season, and he is no Point, Kucherov or anybody else you are alluding to on the Bolts either...not until he does something noteworty at 5v5. However, 2 thoughts on that, 1) he is a PP Specialist who is sub optimal at 5v5, 2) Routsolainen and Quinn are here and could be replacements. So as I pointed out before, yes lisi g Olo would hurt...on the PP immediately. To that end, Hall takes over those duties and Risto posts down low...those are very solid replacements to keep the PP productive. Lastly, pacing at PPG now, in 1p games let's see how if continues.

Gibson, through his 8 year career has shown he can play alot of games 55 - 60 at top 5 level. That is valuable.

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- homiedclown

Navin did

Trading Cozens for Gibson would be up there with not drafting Draisaitl.
- MGK

Cozens would never enter the conversation IMO. But Olofsson or Quinn I would have no problem including. And if they asked for UPL then you have Portillo that will be here in the Organization in probably 3yrs. Or so.

i kind of doubt he is ready to be in buffalo full time next season but he may be able to come up as a relief to see how he does mid season.. goalies just take a while and he has had surgeries. i am not super confident he will ever be what we all have tried to make him out to be
- SabresFaninIndiana

I agree

You are looking for definitive answers about the future, it doesn't happen with anything in which chance plays a role. So I can't provide those answers.

What I can provide, again is reasons to support this strategy.
It is a strategy to change the composition of the team for the next 7 years.
You like Vasilivskiy in Tampa? That is what you are getting.

Replacing Olo isn't going to happen 1:1 this season, and he is no Point, Kucherov or anybody else you are alluding to on the Bolts either...not until he does something noteworty at 5v5. However, 2 thoughts on that, 1) he is a PP Specialist who is sub optimal at 5v5, 2) Routsolainen and Quinn are here and could be replacements. So as I pointed out before, yes lisi g Olo would hurt...on the PP immediately. To that end, Hall takes over those duties and Risto posts down low...those are very solid replacements to keep the PP productive. Lastly, pacing at PPG now, in 1p games let's see how if continues.

Gibson, through his 8 year career has shown he can play alot of games 55 - 60 at top 5 level. That is valuable.
- IonSabres

Good Post!!!

Navin did
- SABRES 89

oh my

I was really just bringing this up because of the heat Olofsson takes on here. But he has looked lost, and really hasn't gotten any better the last couple years. Yes he is still very young and probably will get better, just don't think it will happen with this coach.
- Buff36

Victor Olofsson is 5 years older than Dahlin. That makes a massive difference, especially considering Dahlin is only 20.

You are looking for definitive answers about the future, it doesn't happen with anything in which chance plays a role. So I can't provide those answers.

What I can provide, again is reasons to support this strategy.
It is a strategy to change the composition of the team for the next 7 years.
You like Vasilivskiy in Tampa? That is what you are getting.

Replacing Olo isn't going to happen 1:1 this season, and he is no Point, Kucherov or anybody else you are alluding to on the Bolts either...not until he does something noteworty at 5v5. However, 2 thoughts on that, 1) he is a PP Specialist who is sub optimal at 5v5, 2) Routsolainen and Quinn are here and could be replacements. So as I pointed out before, yes lisi g Olo would hurt...on the PP immediately. To that end, Hall takes over those duties and Risto posts down low...those are very solid replacements to keep the PP productive. Lastly, pacing at PPG now, in 1p games let's see how if continues.

Gibson, through his 8 year career has shown he can play alot of games 55 - 60 at top 5 level. That is valuable.
- IonSabres

Not asking you to predict the future, just wondering how much better the Sabres would be trading away a top scorer? When they need top scorers, middle 6, top 6 , any way you want to describe olo.
In the senario you provided in an open forum for all of us to discuss.

Should Jack be available, because he has (1) 5 x 5 point?

IMO goal scorers on a goal starved team, pp, sh. 3 x3 , 4x4 , 5x3 , 5 x5 or any other senario shouldnt be moved for Gibson.

If its vaslesky yes.
If it's someone pretending that Gibson is vaslevsky , NO

I like that gibson plays alot, especially with our current tandem and short season, he's American , yearly consistent and signed for a good contract. Good age as well.

Looks like his past 2 years were not his best. Did he peak a few years ago?

Victor Olofsson is 5 years older than Dahlin. That makes a massive difference, especially considering Dahlin is only 20.
- kingcong39

You know the other massive difference between olofsson and dahlin.

Quality play on the ice over the past season+ this year.
One exceptional , one marginal at best

Does age or nhl games played matter?
One is younger with more nhl experience
One older with less nhl experience.

Victor Olofsson is 5 years older than Dahlin. That makes a massive difference, especially considering Dahlin is only 20.
- kingcong39

Oh I agree, but one's a number 1 pick supposed generational talent and the other is a 7th rnd pick.

So since Dahlin 3 points are all on the PP, does that mean he sucks 5 on 5.
- Buff36

Quinn Hughes

at 5 on 5 has been on the ice for **20** goals against this year - leads the entire NHL

Dahlin has been on the ice for 9. And also has had his on ice shooting % be incredibly llow, which is why he doesn't have 5 on 5 points.

We should probably pump the brakes on calling him "lost" or destined to never improve

Most young D men go through stretches of bad play defensively

Quinn Hughes

at 5 on 5 has been on the ice for **20** goals against this year - leads the entire NHL

Dahlin has been on the ice for 9. And also has had his on ice shooting % be incredibly llow, which is why he doesn't have 5 on 5 points.

We should probably pump the brakes on calling him "lost" or destined to never improve

Most young D men go through stretches of bad play defensively
- sbroads24

We also have a coach that prohibits D men rushes so there is that.

D men get to blue line and dump puck in.

Quinn Hughes

at 5 on 5 has been on the ice for **20** goals against this year - leads the entire NHL

Dahlin has been on the ice for 9. And also has had his on ice shooting % be incredibly llow, which is why he doesn't have 5 on 5 points.

We should probably pump the brakes on calling him "lost" or destined to never improve

Most young D men go through stretches of bad play defensively
- sbroads24

Never said he wasn't destined to improve, just don't think he will under Ralph.