i see o-laine-ofsson is not working out well in columbus

I'm going to be completely honest here.

My excitement level will not raise or lower one iota if they hire BBQ, Leaman or Tommy from Orchard Park.

Jon Cooper was an attorney who coached a high school hockey team.
- TheSabresTaco

So we should see what Celino and Barnes are up to?

I’ll keep the train rolling....

1- I can agree on the small trade he has orchestrated. But I am reluctant due to the lack of experience in that front office. Coupled with the contracts to Gus and Tage, it’s enough to make one uneasy when the complexities of the bigger trades can get crazy.

2- I see and concede the point. It is probably just Bruce trying to get his name out there. Which is fine, I guess. Hell, maybe there is a path to Ralph heading upstairs and Bruce coming in and that’s where the comment comes from. Who knows with this organization. But I guess I’d take Ralph, Adams, BBQ Bruce. Over Kim, Adams, Ralph... again, Ralph is or was, likable, he has the pegs hoodwinked and they don’t want to pay him not to coach. So pay him to president, get him away from on ice. Let him re-synergize the fan base while distancing Kim... I’d take that through his contract and revisit next off season.

3- with Ullmark showing two years of injury. It should be a really strong 1b that’s brought in. Someone that can handle the workload for a month if Ullmark goes down. I want to see Ullmark here. I like him. You just need stronger behind him.
- Gr8daygo

Now the hard part, what are you willing to offer him? If it's not a starter deal, and more of another show-me deal, why shouldn't he test UFA?

solid
- Michael Pachla

He would be a nice get, but which one had back surgery
Edit: It was Schwartz

solid
- Michael Pachla

May the Schwartz be with you.

i see o-laine-ofsson is not working out well in columbus
- robz228

Ouch

Weird how he hasn't exploded in Columbus now that he's not playing in a loaded top 6 and for a coach who wants him to become a two way player

May the Schwartz be with you.
- Gr8daygo

Ouch

Weird how he hasn't exploded in Columbus now that he's not playing in a loaded top 6 and for a coach who wants him to become a two way player
- sbroads24

So Jeff Skinner?

Torts is a bad coach and outdated.

This is a weird flex considering that is the exact thing going on here.

So Jeff Skinner?

Torts is a bad coach and outdated.

This is a weird flex considering that is the exact thing going on here.
- ImThatGuy

That's my point.

That and Laine also isn't that good

Laine - Expected goal for % - 43.3% Worst among Columbus forwards

Skinner - 56.6% expected goal for %- Second on Sabres to Eichel

Skinner actually drives play

Now the hard part, what are you willing to offer him? If it's not a starter deal, and more of another show-me deal, why shouldn't he test UFA?
- Lunaion

I’m awful with contracts. Hell I’m awful with trades and well anything more than shouting bjustead, Gillis, gallant, bbq Bruce or Gronbeard...

But like anything, what are the comparables to him in the league? Can you structure it with a “bonus” on games played? Or injury? If you could tie a bonus portion to availability maybe you try that route.

If that’s not possible... the cap friendly “compare contract” button shows both cbus
Goalies as comparable. Not sure exactly what that’s looking at but...

Ullmark- $2.6
Elvis - $4
Joonas- $2.8


And what’s the average starting goalie salary $3 mill? Could you lock Ullmark up for $3.5?

Oddly, I wouldn’t mind either of the cbus goalies coming our way.

I’m awful with contracts. Hell I’m awful with trades and well anything more than shouting bjustead, Gillis, gallant, bbq Bruce or Gronbeard...

But like anything, what are the comparables to him in the league? Can you structure it with a “bonus” on games played? Or injury? If you could tie a bonus portion to availability maybe you try that route.

If that’s not possible... the cap friendly “compare contract” button shows both cbus
Goalies as comparable. Not sure exactly what that’s looking at but...

Ullmark- $2.6
Elvis - $4
Joonas- $2.8


And what’s the average starting goalie salary $3 mill? Could you lock Ullmark up for $3.5?

Oddly, I wouldn’t mind either of the cbus goalies coming our way.
- Gr8daygo

In the back of my head, I was going for 2 x $3.5, and basing that on hopefully getting 45sh games out of him. He has decent metrics that are average-sh for starters. The injury history will hold him back from making a ton.

Then, they need a 1A to compliment a 1B in Ullmark, or vise versa

I’m awful with contracts. Hell I’m awful with trades and well anything more than shouting bjustead, Gillis, gallant, bbq Bruce or Gronbeard...

But like anything, what are the comparables to him in the league? Can you structure it with a “bonus” on games played? Or injury? If you could tie a bonus portion to availability maybe you try that route.

If that’s not possible... the cap friendly “compare contract” button shows both cbus
Goalies as comparable. Not sure exactly what that’s looking at but...

Ullmark- $2.6
Elvis - $4
Joonas- $2.8


And what’s the average starting goalie salary $3 mill? Could you lock Ullmark up for $3.5?

Oddly, I wouldn’t mind either of the cbus goalies coming our way.
- Gr8daygo

Lot of questions, there. First up, no conditional bonuses are allowed. It's all guaranteed money.

Lehner, Varlamov, Andersen, Rinne each make 5m. They are #14-17 as highest paid goalies. Think it's fair to call that average.

Cam Talbot got 3 years for 11m (3.67m). That's pretty much bottom of the barrel for starters (no longer team controlled). I think he's a good comp. Merzlinks is a good name, but he signed his deal as an RFA. His 4m might be in the ballpark.

Flat cap + injuries = hard to guess. Maybe he feels comfortable here, maybe he's tired of losing, maybe he's unhappy with how they handled his last couple deals. I'm his agent, I'm looking at 4 years @ 4.5m, so asking a bit higher.

In the back of my head, I was going for 2 x $3.5, and basing that on hopefully getting 45sh games out of him. He has decent metrics that are average-sh for starters. The injury history will hold him back from making a ton.

Then, they need a 1A to compliment a 1B in Ullmark, or vise versa
- IonSabres

I like that line of thinking. Do you see either C bus goalie as that 1a?

And say it’s the “expensive” one at $4 mill

Plus Ullmark at $3.5... $7.5 for the tandem doesn’t sound god awful in a flat cap 2-3 years.

Which, I wonder if Gary threw that out there as a shot across the negotiating bow....

Lot of questions, there. First up, no conditional bonuses are allowed. It's all guaranteed money.

Lehner, Varlamov, Andersen, Rinne each make 5m. They are #14-17 as highest paid goalies. Think it's fair to call that average.

Cam Talbot got 3 years for 11m (3.67m). That's pretty much bottom of the barrel for starters (no longer team controlled). I think he's a good comp. Merzlinks is a good name, but he signed his deal as an RFA. His 4m might be in the ballpark.

Flat cap + injuries = hard to guess. Maybe he feels comfortable here, maybe he's tired of losing, maybe he's unhappy with how they handled his last couple deals. I'm his agent, I'm looking at 4 years @ 4.5m, so asking a bit higher.
- Lunaion

I think there is a deal in there then.

If you use the ion (team). 2 years at $3.5. Your (player) 4 years at $4.5

Call it 3 years at $4....

I like that line of thinking. Do you see either C bus goalie as that 1a?

And say it’s the “expensive” one at $4 mill

Plus Ullmark at $3.5... $7.5 for the tandem doesn’t sound god awful in a flat cap 2-3 years.

Which, I wonder if Gary threw that out there as a shot across the negotiating bow....
- Gr8daygo

With the way escrow works and the agreement they made, it will take a few years (after revenues recover) to pay back. I don't think he was playing games there.

I like that line of thinking. Do you see either C bus goalie as that 1a?

And say it’s the “expensive” one at $4 mill

Plus Ullmark at $3.5... $7.5 for the tandem doesn’t sound god awful in a flat cap 2-3 years.

Which, I wonder if Gary threw that out there as a shot across the negotiating bow....
- Gr8daygo

I'd be guessing that a 1A for $4 - $4.5 for a guy to get the other 40 - 45 games.
But I'm not claiming to be up on the Goalie contracts.

- ImThatGuy

What has the cream puff done?

I think there is a deal in there then.

If you use the ion (team). 2 years at $3.5. Your (player) 4 years at $4.5

Call it 3 years at $4....
- Gr8daygo

It might be that simple. Sometimes it is.

With the way escrow works and the agreement they made, it will take a few years (after revenues recover) to pay back. I don't think he was playing games there.
- Lunaion

The tv doesn’t impact that at all?!? Wouldn’t that deal be considered a huge raise for the league?

I know a LOT of their revenue is driven by fans in seats. And these two seasons absolutely hammer them. But that’s a pretty solid tv deal for them. With a smaller portion still on the table to be hammered out and the Canadian deal coming up in 2 years?

Feel bad for jack it makes sense why he struggled all this year now.

The tv doesn’t impact that at all?!? Wouldn’t that deal be considered a huge raise for the league?

I know a LOT of their revenue is driven by fans in seats. And these two seasons absolutely hammer them. But that’s a pretty solid tv deal for them. With a smaller portion still on the table to be hammered out and the Canadian deal coming up in 2 years?
- Gr8daygo

The Canadian deal isn't for another five seasons (through 2025-2026). I got it wrong a couple of days ago.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...ark-12-year-deal/c-693152

Feel bad for jack it makes sense why he struggled all this year now.
- Elite Josh Allen

no...he just sux...over-rated...should be traded...


at least that's what we see here

Feel bad for jack it makes sense why he struggled all this year now.
- Elite Josh Allen

Has anything more come out?!?

The tv doesn’t impact that at all?!? Wouldn’t that deal be considered a huge raise for the league?

I know a LOT of their revenue is driven by fans in seats. And these two seasons absolutely hammer them. But that’s a pretty solid tv deal for them. With a smaller portion still on the table to be hammered out and the Canadian deal coming up in 2 years?
- Gr8daygo

It helps, but it takes time to kick in and repay the current debt. Once the revenue fully recovers, I think they look at the previous 2 seasons to establish the cap. I think that already pushes you out 4 years. Most of the articles I've read don't expect a significant cap increase in the next 6 years.

Feel bad for jack it makes sense why he struggled all this year now.
- Elite Josh Allen

What did you hear not gerbe