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Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Mar 15 @ 2:31 PM ET
Me likey!!!
- Buff36



Stefon...make a call
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Mar 15 @ 2:32 PM ET
I never talked about pts per game.
Fact, he had 2 seasons over 65 points.
That's it.

He has played 10 seasons, not counting this one.
Over those 10 seasons, there have been 773 games (8x82 + 48 + 69)
He has played in 81% of them at 627, including seasons with 65, 61, 75, 53, 72.
He also sustained a major injury costing him 49 games in 1 season...I don't hold that against him.
He misses significant games nearly every year over 10 seasons, he played 1 full season of 82 games, who cares if he's on pace for 82..he produces less because he misses games.

So, over 10 seasons including this season, let's take out his worst and best seasons, leaving equivalent of 8 full seasons ( counting 26 games this season + 48 in '12-'13 shortened season as 1 full season)
512 GP
159 G's
285 A's
444 Pts
Over that equivalent of 8 full seasons, his ACTUAL production averages:
64 games
20 G's
35 A's
55 Pts

That, on average is what they will be buying.

- IonSabres


Two things:

1.) Removing his best season also removes a fully healthy season. So that skews two things at once to massage this narrative

2.) What did you use for his worst year? His rookie year or 14-15?
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Mar 15 @ 2:35 PM ET
Stefon...make a call
- Stripes77

Some interesting trade possibilities if Beane felt like dabbing into that.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 15 @ 2:35 PM ET
Olofsson sucks at 5 x 5.
Last 5 points at even strength

Olofsson sucks
Leads the team in scoring

Scoring doesnt matter..... πŸ€”

- Boss34

Who said this?

Are you incapable if seeing the difference between "Scoring" and "points"

Hall is generating scoring chances for himself and his linemates and a top line level.

It's his fault he's been unlucky and has had trouble finishing. It's not his fault his linemates are also having trouble finishing, therefore I couldn't care less how many points he has. It doesn't accurately reflect his play
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Mar 15 @ 2:40 PM ET
Two things:

1.) Removing his best season also removes a fully healthy season. So that skews two things at once to massage this narrative

2.) What did you use for his worst year? His rookie year or 14-15?

- jcragcrumple


'12 season, his rookie.

Done here.
We are squabbling over pennies while counting $1,000 bills.

Point stands.
He's 29 and declining
Likely to average 45-50 pts per, because he...
Normally is hurt a significant amount of time
Has lost a step.
Will cost too much, which 8s anything over 3 x $4m-sh.
Sell him for anything...likely a 2nd.


DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Mar 15 @ 2:42 PM ET
I never talked about pts per game.
Fact, he had 2 seasons over 65 points.
That's it.

He has played 10 seasons, not counting this one.
Over those 10 seasons, there have been 773 games (8x82 + 48 + 69)
He has played in 81% of them at 627, including seasons with 65, 61, 75, 53, 72.
He also sustained a major injury costing him 49 games in 1 season...I don't hold that against him.
He misses significant games nearly every year over 10 seasons, he played 1 full season of 82 games, who cares if he's on pace for 82..he produces less because he misses games.

So, over 10 seasons including this season, let's take out his worst and best seasons, leaving equivalent of 8 full seasons ( counting 26 games this season + 48 in '12-'13 shortened season as 1 full season)
512 GP
159 G's
285 A's
444 Pts
Over that equivalent of 8 full seasons, his ACTUAL production averages:
64 games
20 G's
35 A's
55 Pts

That, on average is what they will be buying.

- IonSabres



And im trying hard...
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Mar 15 @ 2:43 PM ET
I never talked about pts per game.
Fact, he had 2 seasons over 65 points.
That's it.

He has played 10 seasons, not counting this one.
Over those 10 seasons, there have been 773 games (8x82 + 48 + 69)
He has played in 81% of them at 627, including seasons with 65, 61, 75, 53, 72.
He also sustained a major injury costing him 49 games in 1 season...I don't hold that against him.
He misses significant games nearly every year over 10 seasons, he played 1 full season of 82 games, who cares if he's on pace for 82..he produces less because he misses games.

So, over 10 seasons including this season, let's take out his worst and best seasons, leaving equivalent of 8 full seasons ( counting 26 games this season + 48 in '12-'13 shortened season as 1 full season)
512 GP
159 G's
285 A's
444 Pts
Over that equivalent of 8 full seasons, his ACTUAL production averages:
64 games
20 G's
35 A's
55 Pts

That, on average is what they will be buying.

- IonSabres



Nullifying seasons cause they're to good to be true...
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 15 @ 2:43 PM ET
'12 season, his rookie.

Done here.
We are squabbling over pennies while counting $1,000 bills.

Point stands.
He's 29 and declining
Likely to average 45-50 pts per, because he...
Normally is hurt a significant amount of time
Has lost a step.
Will cost too much, which 8s anything over 3 x $4m-sh.
Sell him for anything...likely a 2nd.

- IonSabres

It's honestly bonkers that you keep calling him Sam Reinhart and then simultaneously say he's worth 1.2 mil less than what Reinhart is getting paid now, and will be a lot less than what Sam will make next year
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 15 @ 2:44 PM ET
Just think of this Boss, posted something a few pages back, we are paying Milano less then they are paying Jonnu, money got to high.
- Buff36


Good post.

I'd rather have milano , than project Jonnu's #'s in this offense. You know what you drafted, you know how he practice's. you know he fits the process.

Do you think our offense would spread the ball out more if we had a top TE?

Are there enough pigskins to go around?

Diggs will need his targets
Beasley will need 1,000 receiving
Davis probably steps up even more.

Wonder if we go the lee smith 6th o lineman approach and roll with knox. I'm sure the guys that picked him, still like him ....
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 15 @ 2:47 PM ET
I never talked about pts per game.
Fact, he had 2 seasons over 65 points.
That's it.

He has played 10 seasons, not counting this one.
Over those 10 seasons, there have been 773 games (8x82 + 48 + 69)
He has played in 81% of them at 627, including seasons with 65, 61, 75, 53, 72.
He also sustained a major injury costing him 49 games in 1 season...I don't hold that against him.
He misses significant games nearly every year over 10 seasons, he played 1 full season of 82 games, who cares if he's on pace for 82..he produces less because he misses games.

So, over 10 seasons including this season, let's take out his worst and best seasons, leaving equivalent of 8 full seasons ( counting 26 games this season + 48 in '12-'13 shortened season as 1 full season)
512 GP
159 G's
285 A's
444 Pts
Over that equivalent of 8 full seasons, his ACTUAL production averages:
64 games
20 G's
35 A's
55 Pts

That, on average is what they will be buying.

- IonSabres


Nice to be on the same page, uncle ion. Seems like a bit πŸ˜‰

I'd be holding this (missed games) against him as well.
He's certainly no sam reinhart πŸ€”
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Mar 15 @ 2:51 PM ET
Nice to be on the same page, uncle ion. Seems like a bit πŸ˜‰

I'd be holding this (missed games) against him as well.
He's certainly no sam reinhart πŸ€”

- Boss34


Taylor has more assists than Reinhart has points....... you guys are bonkers

.88 pts per game vs .64 .... sure this year he might be better but to say Reinhart is flat out better is just Ludacris

The guy actually battles in the dirty areas... probably why he misses games you guys want players that play hard but you have one and you want the softie over him?? What a great line of thinking
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 15 @ 2:52 PM ET
Who said this?

Are you incapable if seeing the difference between "Scoring" and "points"

Hall is generating scoring chances for himself and his linemates and a top line level.

It's his fault he's been unlucky and has had trouble finishing. It's not his fault his linemates are also having trouble finishing, therefore I couldn't care less how many points he has. It doesn't accurately reflect his play

- sbroads24


A scoring chance, in ice hockey is an attempt or chance for a team or holder of the puck to score a goal. ... Another possible definition of a scoring chance can be any shot that is taken by an attacking team on an odd man rush, such as a 2-on-1 or 3-on-2 break.

A point is awarded to a player for each goal scored or assist earned. The total number of goals plus assists equals total points. The Art Ross Trophy is awarded to the National Hockey League (NHL) player who leads the league in scoring points at the end of the regular season.


Off the top of my head.


Please explain how "points " doesn't matter

Do we win by outchancing the opponents on high passing opportunities....
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 15 @ 2:55 PM ET
'12 season, his rookie.

Done here.
We are squabbling over pennies while counting $1,000 bills.

Point stands.
He's 29 and declining
Likely to average 45-50 pts per, because he...
Normally is hurt a significant amount of time
Has lost a step.
Will cost too much, which 8s anything over 3 x $4m-sh.
Sell him for anything...likely a 2nd.

- IonSabres


Geesh- reminds me of okposo moulson and skimmer
If we give hall any long term deal.

Somebody told me no.... its completely different.


Why are you guys comparing his point total's?

Point's do not matter. It's all the sudden effort and passing lane efficiency.

Oh , and bad luck πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€


DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Mar 15 @ 2:57 PM ET
Geesh- reminds me of okposo moulson and skimmer
If we give hall any long term deal.

Somebody told me no.... its completely different.


Why are you guys comparing his point total's?

Point's do not matter. It's all the sudden effort and passing lane efficiency.

Oh , and bad luck πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€

- Boss34


Your contradicting yourself idiot... If points mattered so much to you, you would want the guy that gets them at a better pace... oh wait he gets hurt like most hockey player? Maybe because he actually exerts his energy on the ice?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 15 @ 3:00 PM ET
Your contradicting yourself idiot... If points mattered so much to you, you would want the guy that gets them at a better pace...
- DirtyDan


Go away, you are clearly the dumbest poster on here.


Nobody even responds to you. Too dumb to even understand.


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DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Mar 15 @ 3:01 PM ET
Go away, you are clearly the dumbest poster on here.


Nobody even responds to you. Too dumb to even understand.


πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€

- Boss34




Still mad about the other day cry baby?
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 15 @ 3:01 PM ET
A scoring chance, in ice hockey is an attempt or chance for a team or holder of the puck to score a goal. ... Another possible definition of a scoring chance can be any shot that is taken by an attacking team on an odd man rush, such as a 2-on-1 or 3-on-2 break.

A point is awarded to a player for each goal scored or assist earned. The total number of goals plus assists equals total points. The Art Ross Trophy is awarded to the National Hockey League (NHL) player who leads the league in scoring points at the end of the regular season.


Off the top of my head.


Please explain how "points " doesn't matter

Do we win by outchancing the opponents on high passing opportunities....

- Boss34

Scoring more than the opponent matters

Having the puck more= Getting more scoring chances = scoring more goals = winning more games

I couldn't care less who it is that get's credit for the points. I want the guys who generate the goals when they are on the ice
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Mar 15 @ 3:04 PM ET
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Β·
5m
And the spending spree in Foxboro continues: Former Ravens’ LB Matt Judon reached agreement on a four-year, $56 million deal, including $32 million guaranteed with the New England Patriots, per sources.
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Mar 15 @ 3:05 PM ET
Go away, you are clearly the dumbest poster on here.


Nobody even responds to you. Too dumb to even understand.


πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€

- Boss34


Rent free
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Mar 15 @ 3:07 PM ET
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Β·
5m
And the spending spree in Foxboro continues: Former Ravens’ LB Matt Judon reached agreement on a four-year, $56 million deal, including $32 million guaranteed with the New England Patriots, per sources.

- Stripes77

Getting better, offense still sucks
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Mar 15 @ 3:07 PM ET
Getting better, offense still sucks
- Buff36



Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Β·
3m
More for the Patriots: Former Eagles DB Jalen Mills to the Patriots on a 4-year, $24 million deal including $9M guaranteed,
@DrewJRosenhaus
tells ESPN.
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Mar 15 @ 3:08 PM ET
New Englands games are gunna be tight like the bears... Hold the other team to 14ish while you're scoring maybe 10
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Mar 15 @ 3:09 PM ET


Taylor Hall is not good
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Mar 15 @ 3:11 PM ET
The Sabres invited 700 front line workers to the game.

They still need to sell like 800 tickets.

The Sabres sold 400 tickets.

The Sabres

sold.

400.

Tickets.
Gr8daygo
Joined: 04.23.2014

Mar 15 @ 3:12 PM ET


Taylor Hall is not good

- TheSabresTaco


At this point I bet the Patriots would sign him... they are dropping contracts everywhere.
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