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K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014
Jan 3 @ 5:31 PM ET
Yeah, Marky and Tanev really put the Flames over the hump. Getting embarrassed like that against the Oilers is worse than not making the playoffs for Flames fans.
- Load Management
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014
Jan 3 @ 5:33 PM ET
The more picks you have, the higher odds you have of hitting a homerun and finding a difference maker. But yes, ideally you have good drafting/development to increase your odds.


I'd rather fail trying that way instead of getting stuck with castoff age gap garbage
- Nucker101

Castoff age gap garbage like Marino? Dach? Half of Florida’s roster? Trash pro scouting. The odds our 2nd round pick turns out better than Bear has to be less than 1%. Take an online stats course
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 3 @ 5:33 PM ET
Not sure why some are so concerned about only getting a late 1st etc. All the good teams have several players in their lineups that are late 1st, 2nd 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks.
It is all about how you draft, which the Canucks are terrible at.
- Reubenkincade

The Rags suck at developing high picks. Explain this?

Anyone can draft with a decent scouting team. Few teams know & can develop.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016
Jan 3 @ 5:34 PM ET
Apparently the Red wings have put Vrana on waivers, hopefully they are considering a Canuck trade.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 3 @ 5:35 PM ET
We are Canuck fans we are used to failing

- VANTEL

Almost the best at it damn the Leafs lol
Shuswap Wap
Location: BC
Joined: 02.07.2018
Jan 3 @ 5:36 PM ET
How are Florida so bad this year?
- manvanfan

Paul Maurice
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014
Jan 3 @ 5:36 PM ET
The Rags suck at developing high picks. Explain this?

Anyone draft with a decent scouting team. Few teams know & can develop.
- Nighthawk


Not sure what you’re asking here? Are you saying only a few teams draft and develop players? Those teams suppling the majority of players?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 3 @ 5:37 PM ET
Castoff age gap garbage like Marino? Dach? Half of Florida’s roster? Trash pro scouting. The odds our 2nd round pick turns out better than Bear has to be less than 1%. Take an online stats course
- CanuckDon

Odds on the 2nd being better than Stillman is a coin toss.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010
Jan 3 @ 5:37 PM ET
Almost the best at it damn the Leafs lol
- Nighthawk


One and two, tight race.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014
Jan 3 @ 5:38 PM ET
Paul Maurice
- Shuswap Wap

Mathew Tkachuk
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 3 @ 5:38 PM ET
Not sure what you’re asking here? Are you saying only a few teams draft and develop players? Those teams suppling the majority of players?
- K-man25

I’m saying the Rags suck at it.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014
Jan 3 @ 5:38 PM ET
Odds on the 2nd being better than Stillman is a coin toss.
- Nighthawk

I don’t believe they targeted Stillman. They had to take a contract back and the cap space was so they could acquire Bear. They had been after Bear for months but couldn’t creat the space
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 3 @ 5:39 PM ET
One and two, tight race.
- VANTEL

3rd place nowhere in the picture 😂😂
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 3 @ 5:40 PM ET
I don’t believe they targeted Stillman. They had to take a contract back and the cap space was so they could acquire Bear. They had been after Bear for months but couldn’t creat the space
- CanuckDon

Dominoes yes
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014
Jan 3 @ 5:40 PM ET
Odds on the 2nd being better than Stillman is a coin toss.
- Nighthawk

Come on! There’s lots of players drafted in the 2nd round that are better than Stillman. Probably 3rd,4th …….
Just need a good scouting staff
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010
Jan 3 @ 5:41 PM ET
Castoff age gap garbage like Marino? Dach? Half of Florida’s roster? Trash pro scouting. The odds our 2nd round pick turns out better than Bear has to be less than 1%. Take an online stats course
- CanuckDon




My main point is that you want to avoid trading for players that teams are willingly giving up. Marino, Reinhart and Forsling fit that bill of actual needle movers that were being shopped so those are fine examples to argue against me.

Flames didn't want to lose Tkachuk or Bennett, they wanted out.

Dach isn't a needle mover yet, he's being gifted top line and top PP and once his sh% comes down his stat line will look bad considering that usage. He's a clear 3rd wheel with Suzuki/Caufield, it's a Sven Baertschi with Bo Horvat type of deal so far.


Now let me list the 50-100 players traded that don't move the needle and you're going to end up with a similar/lower % of impact players compared to players drafted in the late 1st round and 2nd round
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014
Jan 3 @ 5:42 PM ET
I’m saying the Rags suck at it.
- Nighthawk

That Schneider kid says hi!
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010
Jan 3 @ 5:43 PM ET
Odds on the 2nd being better than Stillman is a coin toss.
- Nighthawk

but who cares?

I'll take the 5% odds of finding a Rasmus Andersson in round 2 over having Stillman because I can find a Stillman for free anytime.



manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012
Jan 3 @ 5:43 PM ET
The more picks you have, the higher odds you have of hitting a homerun and finding a difference maker. But yes, ideally you have good drafting/development to increase your odds.


I'd rather fail trying that way instead of getting stuck with castoff age gap garbage
- Nucker101

You say higher odds like it goes from 1% to 50%. Where it's more like 1% to 1.2%
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010
Jan 3 @ 5:45 PM ET
You say higher odds like it goes from 1% to 50%. Where it's more like 1% to 1.2%
- manvanfan



I don't give a poop because it's better than the 80-90% odds of more Granlunds
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014
Jan 3 @ 5:46 PM ET
You say higher odds like it goes from 1% to 50%. Where it's more like 1% to 1.2%
- manvanfan

I think it depends on who’s drafting, some teams find gems in the later rounds, Jamie Benn 5th round pick etc…
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016
Jan 3 @ 5:47 PM ET
I don't give a poop because it's better than the 80-90% odds of more Granlunds
- Nucker101


There are about 700 players in the NHL, they all must come from the top 10 of the 1st round.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010
Jan 3 @ 5:47 PM ET
Paul Maurice
- Shuswap Wap

Is your new avatar a jock strap?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010
Jan 3 @ 5:50 PM ET
There are about 700 players in the NHL, they all must come from the top 10 of the 1st round.
- Reubenkincade

According to these guys, yes.



Canuck fans:
"The odds of hitting on picks outside of the top 10 are so low so I'm okay with trading picks."


Also Canucks fans:
"We can't blow it up and lose and develop a losing culture, I'd rather be competitive and draft in the teens"
"Why does our prospect pool suck?"
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010
Jan 3 @ 5:51 PM ET
My main point is that you want to avoid trading for players that teams are willingly giving up. Marino, Reinhart and Forsling fit that bill of actual needle movers that were being shopped so those are fine examples to argue against me.

Flames didn't want to lose Tkachuk or Bennett, they wanted out.

Dach isn't a needle mover yet, he's being gifted top line and top PP and once his sh% comes down his stat line will look bad considering that usage. He's a clear 3rd wheel with Suzuki/Caufield, it's a Sven Baertschi with Bo Horvat type of deal so far.


Now let me list the 50-100 players traded that don't move the needle and you're going to end up with a similar/lower % of impact players compared to players drafted in the late 1st round and 2nd round
- Nucker101


Did Jim do something right?
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