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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010
Jan 14 @ 4:21 PM ET
The choice was Schmidt over Tanev. Not Myers. Big mistake. Also JV over Toffoli, another big mistake. Those two changes probably put us in the playoffs that year, and then we don't trade for OEL and Garland as our 1st is around 20 not 9.
- Retinalz


Perhaps, but if they hadn't signed Myers then resigning Tanev wouldn't have been as difficult to do, and you could have had Schmidt and Tanev - not that this would have been a huge upgrade...
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010
Jan 14 @ 4:28 PM ET
Going against my old history penchant.

Resign Tanev not Myers.
- 7pts vs 9pts
- 1.5m cap savings

That shift alone set the Canucks back.
- Nighthawk



I think those of us that saw value in Tanev argued that it was more than just about straight up points with him and that guys like OEL/Myers weren't going to see the same powerplay time here that they did with their previous teams so just judging a dman swap based on points alone is incredibly flawed.


You can't just sign or trade for a guy who puts up 35-40 points on team where he gets regular PP time and then expect the same production on your team when you gize him less/zero PP time. That's not how it works.

That's why 5v5 scoring is better to look at, especially when discussing non-1st line offensive players who aren't going to get PP1 time
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010
Jan 14 @ 4:32 PM ET
The choice was Schmidt over Tanev. Not Myers. Big mistake. Also JV over Toffoli, another big mistake. Those two changes probably put us in the playoffs that year, and then we don't trade for OEL and Garland as our 1st is around 20 not 9.
- Retinalz



How was the choice a LHD over a RHD?(I know Schmidt plays both sides but still) Also Myers was brought in to a defensive dman clearly, because he's never been given regular PP2 time, let alone PP1 time, he's always out on every PK, and has played more shutdown minutes than easy minutes, sounds a lot more like how Tanev was used than Schmidt was.

The writing was on the wall for Tanev as soon as they signed Myers, doesn't matter if it didn't happen during the same year.

The Myers signing was always weird, he's always been best suited for easier minutes and has a heavy shot on the PP, yet here he's been used in a shutdown role and gets heavy PK usage and basically zero PP usage.


Same with OEL after his knee injuries, he's just not built to play tough minutes now. Just bizarre fits.


That's why this defense is such an expensive mess, they don't fit together. I can't blame the coaches for it, not even Green who I dislike.


I'll say the same thing if they trade Myers and go out and sign John Klingberg next summer, just idiotic roster building.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 4:35 PM ET
Flames caving
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 4:37 PM ET
I think those of us that saw value in Tanev argued that it was more than just about straight up points with him and that guys like OEL/Myers weren't going to see the same powerplay time here that they did with their previous teams so just judging a dman swap based on points alone is incredibly flawed.


You can't just sign or trade for a guy who puts up 35-40 points on team where he gets regular PP time and then expect the same production on your team when you gize him less/zero PP time. That's not how it works.

That's why 5v5 scoring is better to look at, especially when discussing non-1st line offensive players who aren't going to get PP1 time
- Nucker101

Agree. D play suffered as neither Myers nor OEL was close to Tanev.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014
Jan 14 @ 4:51 PM ET
I can’t wait for the 9ers to thrash the Seagulls. So excited! Geno is going to be running for his life.
- neem55

Yes - nothing worse than the fake SEA fans in this City. The same twits that will start following Kraken soon
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 4:51 PM ET
On D getting points OEL is on pace for 40. That said say we live with that trade & Myers never signed we would be no worse off.

Adding up all JB’s mistakes it compounded in such a horrible way this mess in an incredible task to unravel. Fans can go on & on about the new regime but ignoring what unraveling has to happen is ignoring how bad the hand dealt was. Then not forcing trades is a MUST. The flat cap & so many teams up against it only further exacerbates the difficulty of trading league wide. Like it or not we all need patience no different than Mgmt.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014
Jan 14 @ 4:57 PM ET
Kelowna in town tonight. Anyone I should keep an eye on?
- Load Management

Andrew Cristall next Vancouver winger taken in the 1st round
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 4:58 PM ET
Miller 7/8m
Boeser 3/6.65m

On the surface many can argue those contracts. We gotta believe offers were not good enough & they couldn’t let them walk. Boeser’s QA was the legacy JB left behind. Miller & his 99pts & his other seasons showed a big uptick in scoring for the team. Boeser only got 3yrs cuz Mgmt not sold on him & easier to trade sooner with less term. Miller they locked up but he needs proper linemates to hide his warts. Oh well. Bo isn’t a shutdown C. Both can rack up points but Miller drives play much better.

Roster design & better cap management is still the priority.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014
Jan 14 @ 5:00 PM ET
Tanev a bomb for his 1st.
- Nighthawk


Rivals Lordy’s 97 mph wrister.

Huge win Flames
Markstrom perfect on the afternoon.
SMP8719
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ALDY , BC
Joined: 02.24.2012
Jan 14 @ 5:02 PM ET
Yes - nothing worse than the fake SEA fans in this City. The same twits that will start following Kraken soon
- CanuckDon


Vikings fan but was hoping for upset as SF is scary good... not looking good for the Seahawks.... SF looking very good.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 5:03 PM ET
Easy to say monumental task to do.
2 top 4 D away from being good to great. Trading Bo we can overcome his loss if the right pieces come back. This is why they want a hockey trade not prospects & picks that are unproven. The ask is one matter but if we get at least a RHD with real top 4 ceiling & a 1st it’s a good start. Not getting the C can be manageable. The focus has to be D if lose somewhere else.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 5:04 PM ET
Rivals Lordy’s 97 mph wrister.

Huge win Flames
Markstrom perfect on the afternoon.
- K-man25

Marky 1st star
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014
Jan 14 @ 5:06 PM ET
Marky 1st star
- Nighthawk


Too bad the Canucks let him walk for free.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 5:11 PM ET

Too bad the Canucks let him walk for free.
- K-man25

Not missing him at all. It was JB’s other choices that goes down in infamy lol
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019
Jan 14 @ 5:13 PM ET
Andrew Cristall next Vancouver winger taken in the 1st round
- K-man25


He isn't Swedish and get your own material.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 5:14 PM ET
Vikings fan but was hoping for upset as SF is scary good... not looking good for the Seahawks.... SF looking very good.
- SMP8719

Don’t quit yet lol
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 5:19 PM ET
He isn't Swedish and get your own material.
- Load Management

I’m no Don Cherry…

Idgaf about nationality. Our range I want Smith also want more high picks from trades along with deepening our prospect pool with top talent if not able to get other needs.
SMP8719
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ALDY , BC
Joined: 02.24.2012
Jan 14 @ 5:22 PM ET
Don’t quit yet lol
- Nighthawk


their def has to get some stops or turnovers.... just way too many weapons on SF
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 5:23 PM ET
Serious Q…

Where is Bo most likely to go & for what? Thx in advance
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 5:24 PM ET
their def has to get some stops or turnovers.... just way too many weapons on SF
- SMP8719

No doubt. Purdy is one heckuva 3rd stringer. Hawks need turnovers.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 5:25 PM ET
Nice play design. No NFL team can line up a WR in the back field & a back as a receiver
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010
Jan 14 @ 5:26 PM ET
Serious Q…

Where is Bo most likely to go & for what? Thx in advance
- Nighthawk


Vancouver
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 5:27 PM ET
Big stop. Hawks needed that.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015
Jan 14 @ 5:30 PM ET
Vancouver
- VANTEL

Maybe but I predict a serious offer they pull the trigger on. Was no fan of the rumoured Miller offer.
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