No man.
Unlike fans of all the other Canadian hockey teams, who have the leafs living rent free in their spacious echo'e heads. Most leafs fans dont spend one minute thinking about other Canadian nhl teams.

Its either grrr willie (from one or two) which brings out the grrr marners and then in the middle of that i toss in some grr keefe.which leads to a few grrr shanny and the odd grrr fake.
That can be topped off with a little grrr Tre, but its just a light springle.....its his first year afterall.

We simply have no time for grr cafacks or any other team.
But as always, thanks for thinking of the leafs!
Got it?
- Fakepartofme

this was a grrrr post

Dumba injury last night
- mr.sir

It's funny - well him getting injured isn't - I was trying to make a case that I'd rather the Leafs had signed him over Klingberg - but the honest truth is that they are both really poor defensively and provide negative value.

It's sort of shocking that you get guys like Dumba and Klingberg who command $4m in the open market despite years of poor performances and then someone like Gustafsson, who is nothing great, but he can provide above average value and at his worst doesn't provide that much negative value - and he can't break a million.

Thanks for clarifying that! I imagine he wouldn't have any interest in a change of scenery unless it was somewhere that would have huge tax benefits and even that probably wouldn't happen
- Diller

This conversation has been had here many times with regards to all high value contracts - for those who live outside of Ontario (53% tax rate), they usually take a large amount of their salary in signing bonuses so that they can apply that against their local tax rate (i.e., Matthews will make $16.7m next year but but $15.925m of that is going to be paid on July 1st under Arizona tax application (37%).

Agent Allan Walsh has also previously tweeted that many players use deferral and retirement plans to offset high tax rates.

This conversation has been had here many times with regards to all high value contracts - for those who live outside of Ontario (53% tax rate), they usually take a large amount of their salary in signing bonuses so that they can apply that against their local tax rate (i.e., Matthews will make $16.7m next year but but $15.925m of that is going to be paid on July 1st under Arizona tax application (37%).

Agent Allan Walsh has also previously tweeted that many players use deferral and retirement plans to offset high tax rates.
- Monkeypunk

Interesting.... so dollars generated from the Leafs fan base are filtering into the U.S. tax system and economy. Sounds reasonable enough

Contracts end at the end of June 30, so his new deal will begin on July 1st but his current deal - which is not really an exception for good players - has an NMC in it this year. The CBA says that players can't have an NMC or NTC until they are 27, I believe it is, so you'll note that most contracts - even those which began as RFA and extend into some UFA years - contain some form of protection once the player turns 27.

The only way Willy is being dealt is if he chooses to be.
- Monkeypunk

Yeah Willy did have an m-ntc (10 team no trade list) but was changed when he inked his deal to nmc.
I wasn't aware of that.

Yeah Willy did have an m-ntc (10 team no trade list) but was changed when he inked his deal to nmc.
I wasn't aware of that.
- dmnted

Yes, I just saw that on capfriendly now. I didn't realize that was possible

This is BS. I get the point you are trying to make but I grew up surrounded by Leafs fans. They are always talking about other teams and also the players they would like to see in a Leafs uniform.
- Load Management

Whining about other teams (like fans of other Canadian nhl teams whine about the leafs) and discussing hockey players of other teams who leafs fans would like to see on their team are two totally different things. Every sports fan discusses players theyd like to see on their team. Thats normal.
The obsession "non leafs fans" have with the leafs, is not.

I am calling it now.. The Leafs will miss the playoffs.

There is nothing that we have seen from the Leafs since the start of the season that would lead you to believe that they will get better. I would say in the last 4 weeks their play has been getting worse.

First 2 months of the season above .600 points percentage.. Last 2 months below .600.



11 games this month.. They beat LA (15th and on a slide) Anaheim(30th)/SJ(32nd) and Calgary(22nd) and Seattle (23rd).. They have lost to every good team they have played...

2 losses to the Peg(not a stretch to think it can happen) and we have a losing month and next months schedule is tougher that last month.
- Azuredoom

Nah, they'll make the playoffs

It's funny - well him getting injured isn't - I was trying to make a case that I'd rather the Leafs had signed him over Klingberg - but the honest truth is that they are both really poor defensively and provide negative value.

It's sort of shocking that you get guys like Dumba and Klingberg who command $4m in the open market despite years of poor performances and then someone like Gustafsson, who is nothing great, but he can provide above average value and at his worst doesn't provide that much negative value - and he can't break a million.
- Monkeypunk

Dumba can make an open ice hit

Which is becoming a rare skill to possess

I suppose I didn't make my point clearly. For instance, me and my hockey fan friends/family which are mostly Leafs, Flames, and Habs fans have been talking about the Perry signing. That doesn't involve my team or anyone else's but still everyone seems to be able to have a discussion on what they think about it.

So when you say we Leaf fans don't care, it doesn't ring true in my circles.
- Load Management

Again, the above example doesn't have to do with what i said. Yes leafs fans care and discuss hockey related issues....like all fans do. But most dont have other hockey teams living rent in their heads like "non leafs fans" seem to do have with the leafs.

Yes, I just saw that on capfriendly now. I didn't realize that was possible
- Diller

I also didn't know that was possible. I thought a contract was not retroactively changeable after the CBA changes in 2005.

Seriously, though - what kind of arguments are these? They're preposterous - not just you.

If you like hockey, then you like hockey. I cheer for the Leafs and I care mostly about the Leafs, but I like hockey. I have subscribed to Centre Ice in the past just to watch hockey in general. You can't properly evaluate your own team unless you know what other teams look like and play like. You also can't claim to be objective if you have no comparison.

Being belligerent because someone cheers for Vancouver or Montreal or Detroit or whomever is silly. Being belligerent because they started it is tit-for-tat (we all know it's not the most mature thing when we do it, but . . .) - but really if you're trying to make the claim that all Leaf fans are myopic and don't watch hockey but only the Leafs? Please leave me out of it.
- Monkeypunk

Yes most leafs fans are hockey fans some are just leafs fans. Like with any hockey team fan base.
But most leafs fans (that ive encountered) dont seem to have this hard on of hate for specific other teams where they feel the need to whine about them constantly, post in their threads, socia media, discuss them when not playing them or beating them on a monday night (well any night) and that win carries them through for the rest of their week like a high.
Sure i dislike Philly and Buffalo but outside of playing them i never think about them unless a trade or signing occurs. Where as leafs haters revel in every little negative (or anything they perceive to be negative)thing that occurs with the team.
As i mentioned in the original post, "most" leafs fans, as there are always exceptions

You dont get quotes like this from coaches anymore.....or ever.
Lol Tommy Lasorda

https://twitter.com/Baseb...QYfXDm3MHO9YcwD_jqpw&s=19

Baseball quotes has some gems today.

https://twitter.com/Baseb...BaU8vkYXE8p8bPvN_0Dg&s=19

Lyon > Vasilevskiy

Interesting.... so dollars generated from the Leafs fan base are filtering into the U.S. tax system and economy. Sounds reasonable enough
- Diller

At least you're getting Matthews out of the deal.

A lot of countries get drained dry by the USA and don't get jack in return.

Enjoyed the Leafs Convo last night Mike.

I agree, Marner is elite and not going anywhere.

I cant understand why we as a fanbase dont just enjoy having both Nylander and Marner. I like all our players.

Well maybe not Timmins, not sold on that cat yet.

Enjoyed the Leafs Convo last night Mike.

I agree, Marner is elite and not going anywhere.

I cant understand why we as a fanbase dont just enjoy having both Nylander and Marner. I like all our players.

Well maybe not Timmins, not sold on that cat yet.
- Snot Dillingham

Splitting two individuals into Golden Child and Scapegoat roles is a common feature of traumatized individuals who struggle to emotionally self-regulate.

Rouse and Leetch
- mr.sir

Lefebvre and Macoun

Splitting two individuals into Golden Child and Scapegoat roles is a common feature of traumatized individuals who struggle to emotionally self-regulate.
- Zezel

Ok, but I dont recall having to pick either Roberts or Tucker. Seems like a new thing to me.

Lefebvre and Macoun
- The Law

Brad Marsh and Michel Petit

You dont get quotes like this from coaches anymore.....or ever.
Lol Tommy Lasorda

https://twitter.com/Baseb...QYfXDm3MHO9YcwD_jqpw&s=19
- Fakepartofme

That's awesome. The 1980s were the best.

Enjoyed the Leafs Convo last night Mike.

I agree, Marner is elite and not going anywhere.

I cant understand why we as a fanbase dont just enjoy having both Nylander and Marner. I like all our players.

Well maybe not Timmins, not sold on that cat yet.
- Snot Dillingham

I like them also, but I like the Team winning more. to this point (7 tries) its not working. we are on the 8th try...see how it goes...but I am fine trying something else if it doesnt work again

I like them also, but I like the Team winning more. to this point (7 tries) its not working. we are on the 8th try...see how it goes...but I am fine trying something else if it doesnt work again
- senstroll

I don't see how they're out of it. Everyone has an NMC and no one wants to leave. The only real option here is that in two years when JT is up if he wants too much, they let him walk and use the $11m to find a defenseman. In two years there's not a lot - and most of what is there will likely get locked up before then - but you have aging guys like Burns (40), Hedman (35), Petry (38), Schmidt (34), Orlov (34) who could offer support on a shorter term deal (maybe not Burns) or guys who will cost the moon like Ekblad (29), Provorov (29), Pionk (30), Theodore (30), Chychrun (27), Larsson (33) . . . .

But I hate the idea that they'd waste 2 years to try and find a solution to this everlasting problem.

Lefebvre and Macoun
- The Law

Macoun is the worst Leaf ever

Nothing you can say will change my mind

Turned Ellett from an all star to a 🔌