Saad has a full NTC for the upcoming season.
- 333inthe3rd

He would waive it in a heartbeat to play for Edmonton.

Forget the contract size, as Chunk said it is only for 2 years, and St. Louis has the space> would Broberg for #41 in next years draft (which is the compensation for the offer sheet) be a fair trade?

If you are going to look at contract value vs. player value without any other context, you can argue that at least 1/2 the Hawks contracts wouldn't be touched by any other GM in the league.
- LAHawk

Considering Armstrong just offered a player almost $5 million per for 2 years for playing an okay 10 games in the playoffs, I'm sure there are GMs out there that would be willing to trade for most Blackhawk players.

Personally again i think it's a bad move by Armstrong, i think he drafts well and does a really good job GMing, but i think this is a big swing and a miss. I don't think the Oilers will match that deal and he'll get his 3rd line minutes in St Louis.

He would waive it in a heartbeat to play for Edmonton.
- rpeters01

Probably true. I was thinking of whether he wanted to play for Bowman again, apart from it being the Oilers we're talking about.

Also, the chance for Bowman to lose a fourth trade involving Saad, how could he pass that up?

Considering Armstrong just offered a player almost $5 million per for 2 years for playing an okay 10 games in the playoffs, I'm sure there are GMs out there that would be willing to trade for most Blackhawk players.

Personally again i think it's a bad move by Armstrong, i think he drafts well and does a really good job GMing, but i think this is a big swing and a miss. I don't think the Oilers will match that deal and he'll get his 3rd line minutes in St Louis.
- BetweenTheDots

I'm not trying to harp here Dots, but this sounds a lot like someone who just looked at KK's stats this year and says "-39 and 15 points in 76 games for an offensive defenseman... he's a bust".

The move certainly comes with a little risk, but Broberg has shown really well over the last year. I really don't think a two-year deal at that number is bad at all considering the upside. He could really flourish with more consistent playing time.

I'm not trying to harp here Dots, but this sounds a lot like someone who just looked at KK's stats this year and says "-39 and 15 points in 76 games for an offensive defenseman... he's a bust".

The move certainly comes with a little risk, but Broberg has shown really well over the last year. I really don't think a two-year deal at that number is bad at all considering the upside. He could really flourish with more consistent playing time.
- Chunk

Plus Krug is out all year now, I guess they should sign Tinordi instead as a UFA to replace him.

And it bit Carolina in the ass. Offer sheets are part of the CBA, and I don't really think GM's will get too butt hurt over another team using them. It all evens out over time. You aren't going to not trade with another GM if they have a deal that will improve your team just because they offer sheeted one of your players.
- Chunk

Necas was available and sounds like the Canadiens were willing to make a deal for him? Canadiens this time around or since the offer sheet to Aho, have not gone this route again. Did they not trade Necas to the Canadiens because of past feelings? People can say business is business but even businesses have long memories. You can't separate feelings from business no matter what people say, especially when typically owners have huge egos.

I remember my southwest flight was canceled a few years ago and the lady said we'll try to get you on any other airline except for Delta because the 2 companies are feuding right now.

I'm not trying to harp here Dots, but this sounds a lot like someone who just looked at KK's stats this year and says "-39 and 15 points in 76 games for an offensive defenseman... he's a bust".

The move certainly comes with a little risk, but Broberg has shown really well over the last year. I really don't think a two-year deal at that number is bad at all considering the upside. He could really flourish with more consistent playing time.
- Chunk

I wish i could have 10 okay games in the playoffs and get paid $10 million,

I know LA female doged about our overpays, but at least they were declining NHL players

Regarding KK would you offer him $5 million x2 after this season?, i mean that is what the Blues are doing.

I wish i could have 10 okay games in the playoffs and get paid $10 million,

I know LA female doged about our overpays, but at least they were declining NHL players
- BetweenTheDots

The trade is a 23 y.o. Broberg for the 41st pick in next year's draft. St. Louis has the cap space to pay the $9.5 mil. over 2 years to see what Broberg is. They obviously either offered and were declined or thought the Oilers would not accept a second rounder for him.

Is that any worse than paying a 38 year old $9 million over the next 2 years because he is good in front of the microphone? Or a 34 year old rapidly declining defenseman $ 7.5 mil over the next 2 years. Neither of these contracts are tradeable, that is for sure.

Necas was available and sounds like the Canadiens were willing to make a deal for him? Canadiens this time around or since the offer sheet to Aho, have not gone this route again. Did they not trade Necas to the Canadiens because of past feelings? People can say business is business but even businesses have long memories. You can't separate feelings from business no matter what people say, especially when typically owners have huge egos.

I remember my southwest flight was canceled a few years ago and the lady said we'll try to get you on any other airline except for Delta because the 2 companies are feuding right now.
- BetweenTheDots

Virtually every team in the NHL was in on Necas and he wasn't traded. Are the Canes mad at everyone? Necas most likely wasn't traded because they were not able to re-sign Guentzel (thus had a better lineup spot and available funds) and the returns they were hearing weren't as high as they wanted (which were reported to be astronomical).

I wish i could have 10 okay games in the playoffs and get paid $10 million,

I know LA female doged about our overpays, but at least they were declining NHL players
- BetweenTheDots

Thanks for completely ignoring my point.

Thanks for completely ignoring my point.
- Chunk

You're right it comes with risk, i guess you guys think it's a great move with minimal risk. I think its a bad move by a good GM.

The trade is a 23 y.o. Broberg for the 41st pick in next year's draft. St. Louis has the cap space to pay the $9.5 mil. over 2 years to see what Broberg is. They obviously either offered and were declined or thought the Oilers would not accept a second rounder for him.

Is that any worse than paying a 38 year old $9 million over the next 2 years because he is good in front of the microphone? Or a 34 year old rapidly declining defenseman $ 7.5 mil over the next 2 years. Neither of these contracts are tradeable, that is for sure.
- LAHawk

No, you guys are right, i guess personally i feel he didn't earn that offer at all.

You're right it comes with risk, i guess you guys think it's a great move with minimal risk. I think its a bad move by a good GM.
- BetweenTheDots

Why can't you have a rational conversation without putting words into other's mouths? I've already said there is risk involved. It's simply a calculated risk.

Never said it was a great move. From an asset management and short term business perspective I think it is really strong.

He recognized that the Oilers were in a weak/vulnerable position and have the draft picks and cap space to offer sheet two former first rounders that have shown relatively well while being buried on the depth chart of a cup contending team. Both deals are short term. The absolute worst case is that they get both of them, and they both flame out. Two former firsts with what seems to be upward trajectories for the low low cost of a 2nd and 3rd I believe is a solid deal.

What is the hit-rate for 2nd and 3rd round picks in the NHL, and what is their timeline to the bigs?

Of the seven 2nd rounders the Hawks currently have over the next three years, what is everyone's guess on how many they actually use to pick a player?

I'm going with 3 max.

Why can't you have a rational conversation without putting words into other's mouths? I've already said there is risk involved. It's simply a calculated risk.

Never said it was a great move. From an asset management and short term business perspective I think it is really strong.

He recognized that the Oilers were in a weak/vulnerable position and have the draft picks and cap space to offer sheet two former first rounders that have shown relatively well while being buried on the depth chart of a cup contending team. Both deals are short term. The absolute worst case is that they get both of them, and they both flame out. Two former firsts with what seems to be upward trajectories for the low low cost of a 2nd and 3rd I believe is a solid deal.

What is the hit-rate for 2nd and 3rd round picks in the NHL, and what is their timeline to the bigs?
- Chunk

Sorry really strong move.

And i was agreeing with you about the move having risk?

You're right it comes with risk, i guess you guys think it's a great move with minimal risk. I think its a bad move by a good GM.
- BetweenTheDots

It's a pretty small risk still. Broberg is NHL ready and has upside to be a solid #3 D.

He has shown it on the ice. He is great on the rush offensively, but he isn't a liability in his own end either. Good Size. Really good skater. He has a decent shot from the blueline too.

The Blues paid him here a little early because they could put pressure on the Oilers to pry him away, but he should be worth that value or maybe even more in the next 12 months or so.

It's a pretty small risk still. Broberg is NHL ready and has upside to be a solid #3 D.

He has shown it on the ice. He is great on the rush offensively, but he isn't a liability in his own end either. Good Size. Really good skater. He has a decent shot from the blueline too.

The Blues paid him here a little early because they could put pressure on the Oilers to pry him away, but he should be worth that value or maybe even more in the next 12 months or so.
- breadbag

I get it but now you become a target, isn't there an unwritten rule among GMs about this sort of thing?

Of the seven 2nd rounders the Hawks currently have over the next three years, what is everyone's guess on how many they actually use to pick a player?

I'm going with 3 max.
- Chunk

At the 2026 draft I could see KD moving 2 of the 3 second round picks to move into the first (like he did this season). In 2025 KD could use a 2nd and Toronto’s first to move up in the first round.

There’s always the possibility that KD trades some of those picks for prospects or young NHL forwards. We haven’t seen KD do many of those types of trades, but it’s possible (i.e. 2nd for Kakko).

I get it but now you become a target, isn't there an unwritten rule among GMs about this sort of thing?
- BetweenTheDots

No. It's just rare that they are used because the situation has to be absolutely right.

Aho was offer sheeted and signed immediately. Kotkaniemi was offer sheeted and taken away. Why? Aho was already a monster and the other team basically did the negotiating for CAR. Kotkaniemi was a middling prospect at the time and MTL didn't really have the space to sign him. Offer sheets really only work when it's a guy you kind of have to project out and the team you are offer sheeting is in some sort of cap or roster distress.

You don't become a target if you don't put yourself in this position and handle these things ahead of time. You also don't need to worry about it if you build your pipeline properly and always have guys pushing to come up.

Of the seven 2nd rounders the Hawks currently have over the next three years, what is everyone's guess on how many they actually use to pick a player?

I'm going with 3 max.
- Chunk

I'll go with 3 also. KD does like his 1st round picks - 8 the past three years with two more in 2025. I can see him trading 2 2nds in future years for 1st rounders. And, who knows, maybe he goes the offer sheet route and offers an up and coming RFA a multi-year 4.5M deal to fill a gap in the lineup, at the cost of a 2nd.

No. It's just rare that they are used because the situation has to be absolutely right.

Aho was offer sheeted and signed immediately. Kotkaniemi was offer sheeted and taken away. Why? Aho was already a monster and the other team basically did the negotiating for CAR. Kotkaniemi was a middling prospect at the time and MTL didn't really have the space to sign him. Offer sheets really only work when it's a guy you kind of have to project out and the team you are offer sheeting is in some sort of cap or roster distress.

You don't become a target if you don't put yourself in this position and handle these things ahead of time. You also don't need to worry about it if you build your pipeline properly and always have guys pushing to come up.
- Chunk

I don't know if this will make sense but if they built their pipeline properly why would they need to offer sheet any player on another team?

I don't know if this will make sense but if they built their pipeline properly why would they need to offer sheet any player on another team?
- BetweenTheDots

??? No doesn't make sense to me. The Oilers didn't build (or manage) their pipeline properly and that is why they are in this predicament. Has nothing to do with the Blues.

Regarding offer sheeting other players, I would think if you need to fill out portions of your roster and said players are available for a price you are comfortable with, it is a no-brainer.

No. It's just rare that they are used because the situation has to be absolutely right.

Aho was offer sheeted and signed immediately. Kotkaniemi was offer sheeted and taken away. Why? Aho was already a monster and the other team basically did the negotiating for CAR. Kotkaniemi was a middling prospect at the time and MTL didn't really have the space to sign him. Offer sheets really only work when it's a guy you kind of have to project out and the team you are offer sheeting is in some sort of cap or roster distress.

You don't become a target if you don't put yourself in this position and handle these things ahead of time. You also don't need to worry about it if you build your pipeline properly and always have guys pushing to come up.
- Chunk

I think the biggest reason you don't see it done often is the draft compensation if the offer goes through.

??? No doesn't make sense to me. The Oilers didn't build (or manage) their pipeline properly and that is why they are in this predicament. Has nothing to do with the Blues.

Regarding offer sheeting other players, I would think if you need to fill out portions of your roster and said players are available for a price you are comfortable with, it is a no-brainer.
- Chunk

I was speaking of the Blues if they built their pipe line properly no need to offer sheet the Oiler players.

It's why i really like all of the draft picks KD has accumulated, so much harder to actually do the later you pick in the draft.

I think the biggest reason you don't see it done often is the draft compensation if the offer goes through.
- rpeters01

Yes it can get expensive in terms of giving up 1st rounders plus for expensive signings, but in the Blues case, they potentially can get two former 1st round picks with a lot of upside for 2025 2nd and 3rd round picks. Those picks, IF they hit, likely won't make a contribution until 2029 or 2030.