No,
The best argument is they needed a new 4th line and Beck fit the identity they were trying to establish.
Meanwhile, the 2nd at 42 has about 30% success rate after 4-5 years which misses the window of need.

Why draft a guy who is expected to have a 70% failure rate?

We have far more important issues to resolve, like protecting our dogs and cats
- IonSabres

This argument misses the fact that Beck was not worth a 2nd. It's a continuation of mismanagement and another indication that this front office is inept.

For years, this board said replacing the depth was cheap and easy. Also the comps for the returns of the value of the 2nd round pick (and a top 10 picked prospect) compared to what Adams received only widens the gap of believing he is competent.

The offseason moves were made in desperation from a GM who preached patience.

The guy cried when he traded away his previous depth. The GM didn't want this, his hand was forced and Ruff gave him wants and he depended on his consultants to pick these guys.

12/25/24

You don't trade back for a Extra 2nd and then trade it for Beck. Adams heard No to many times and IMO made a bad trade. Hope I am wrong
- Buff36

Exactly where I'm at too. Well said, inexcusable.

Thank you.
WTF!?
A friggin 2nd at 42 with about 30% chance of playing NHL hockey (>99 gms)...in 5 years.
Holy Christ, perspective people ... get some.

Such an over reaction and waste of Internet ink.
- IonSabres

So far, the indication is that he's nothing more than a hitter. At his age, it's unlikely he develops into more, so is trading a 30% chance at a good player worth less than a known bad player?

No,
The best argument is they needed a new 4th line and Beck fit the identity they were trying to establish.
Meanwhile, the 2nd at 42 has about 30% success rate after 4-5 years which misses the window of need.

Why draft a guy who is expected to have a 70% failure rate?

We have far more important issues to resolve, like protecting our dogs and cats
- IonSabres

4th line players are swapped for peanuts constantly. Just because you need role players does not mean you need to pay through the nose to acquire them. This is how bad teams stay bad.

30% of the time, you're getting an impact player. Sometimes, you get a high impact player. Malenstyn is a low impact player. So you accepting that at 42 we were drafting a bad player. He's what you get out of the 70%...

https://athlonsports.com/nhl/jack-eichel-polar-opposite-vegas-sabres-winning-mentality
Adams wonders why No one wants to play in Buffalo! Like I have said for a few years. "Gotta Look like your trying to Win Somewhat". Adams plan to build through the draft just doesn't Work in the NHL. Things change to quickly
- Buff36

No surprises there. Although the sabres did need to restock its way beyond that

Ties right into some of the convo yesterday about the value of trades adams made. He has sat around unwilling to move pieces to get better with a promising core of young players. Meanwhile his assets depreciate every year and he's left holding the bag making the same excuse about how he tried so hard

Botching last offseason should have gotten him fired

The offseason moves were made in desperation from a GM who preached patience.

The guy cried when he traded away his previous depth. The GM didn't want this, his hand was forced and Ruff gave him wants and he depended on his consultants to pick these guys.

12/25/24
- washedup20

He told us agents were calling him to say players wanted to come to Buffalo and then resigned his guys and didn't go get anyone of value

All offseason rumors swirled about ehlers and his willingness to come here. Where is he?

No surprises there. Although the sabres did need to restock its way beyond that

Ties right into some of the convo yesterday about the value of trades adams made. He has sat around unwilling to move pieces to get better with a promising core of young players. Meanwhile his assets depreciate every year and he's left holding the bag making the same excuse about how he tried so hard

Botching last offseason should have gotten him fired
- ieetbred

Wash Rinse Repeat! Like lon, you and a few others have said he missed his signals a few years back. And it really has gone backwards since. IMO

He told us agents were calling him to say players wanted to come to Buffalo and then resigned his guys and didn't go get anyone of value

All offseason rumors swirled about ehlers and his willingness to come here. Where is he?
- ieetbred

He was willing to come here, but wouldn't sign an extension. Just being fair, at his cost, that's a smart move by Adams. Can't let NE put us over a barrel on the extension or walk after 1 season.

So far, the indication is that he's nothing more than a hitter. At his age, it's unlikely he develops into more, so is trading a 30% chance at a good player worth less than a known bad player?
- QuinnFan

could you imagine the chatter if we got a 2nd for kaleta

oh darcy would have got an A+

could you imagine the chatter if we got a 2nd for kaleta

oh darcy would have got an A+


- homiedclown

This is horrifyingly similar. Good call.

could you imagine the chatter if we got a 2nd for kaleta

oh darcy would have got an A+


- homiedclown

Adams is his Halloween costume

https://athlonsports.com/nhl/jack-eichel-polar-opposite-vegas-sabres-winning-mentality
Adams wonders why No one wants to play in Buffalo! Like I have said for a few years. "Gotta Look like your trying to Win Somewhat". Adams plan to build through the draft just doesn't Work in the NHL. Things change to quickly
- Buff36

That build through the draft concept works in the modern NHL. It's his mediocre roster management that doesn't move the needle. It's finding significant UFAs and trades. And not bringing back the band when you're not even a (frank)ing playoff team.

What a cock.

This argument misses the fact that Beck was not worth a 2nd. It's a continuation of mismanagement and another indication that this front office is inept.

For years, this board said replacing the depth was cheap and easy. Also the comps for the returns of the value of the 2nd round pick (and a top 10 picked prospect) compared to what Adams received only widens the gap of believing he is competent.
- washedup20

Who friggin cares about 70% failure rate.
JC, gain some logic.
They felt they wanted somebody now who plays that style. They identified him due to speed and tenacity along with PK. They closed a deal for what they needed.
It is EXACTLY what this board has been demanding from the FO ... "Get your guy, overpay if necessary".
Who friggin cares.

So far, the indication is that he's nothing more than a hitter. At his age, it's unlikely he develops into more, so is trading a 30% chance at a good player worth less than a known bad player?
- QuinnFan

Who is to say a pick with 70% failure rate is better.
You're projecting as if it is certain the 42 player will be "good", when history says 2+:1 he won't.
Add that it likely will take 4 -5 years to find out out.
This argument (by the board) is all emotional and baseless in facts.

What if that 42nd pick was slow and a perimeter player that clearly doesn't fit the profile for the identity of what they are going for.

4th line players are swapped for peanuts constantly. Just because you need role players does not mean you need to pay through the nose to acquire them. This is how bad teams stay bad.

30% of the time, you're getting an impact player. Sometimes, you get a high impact player. Malenstyn is a low impact player. So you accepting that at 42 we were drafting a bad player. He's what you get out of the 70%...
- QuinnFan

Forgot this part.
The 30% is successful to play 99+ games.. not a high impact player... Which would likely be 5% as a guess.

The argument holds zero water.

He told us agents were calling him to say players wanted to come to Buffalo and then resigned his guys and didn't go get anyone of value

All offseason rumors swirled about ehlers and his willingness to come here. Where is he?
- ieetbred

The insiders are saying the Jets are misleading on the "availability" of Ehler's in a trade, and the price is obscene.

Forgot this part.
The 30% is successful to play 99+ games.. not a high impact player... Which would likely be 5% as a guess.

The argument holds zero water.
- IonSabres

I hate arguments that attempt to determine a specific player's chances to hit or impact solely based on aggregate history.

The insiders are saying the Jets are misleading on the "availability" of Ehler's in a trade, and the price is obscene.
- IonSabres

It was always 'yeah sure you can trade for him'. It was always yeah sure I'll go to Buffalo. It was always the exorbitant cost and it was always the extension.

Who is to say a pick with 70% failure rate is better.
You're projecting as if it is certain the 42 player will be "good", when history says 2+:1 he won't.
Add that it likely will take 4 -5 years to find out out.
This argument (by the board) is all emotional and baseless in facts.

What if that 42nd pick was slow and a perimeter player that clearly doesn't fit the profile for the identity of what they are going for.
- IonSabres

And you're projecting as if Malenstyn is good, where he isn't...

Beck is a dime a dozen player and what you get with failed picks. Washington has a couple more of him in the AHL right now.

I'd rather swing for the fences than just go down watching strikes. I'd take a 5 year project player over a 4th line grinder any day of the week. Especially for a team that is supposedly building through the draft. Again, trading away a top50 pick for a temporary 4th liner is how bad teams stay bad.

Forgot this part.
The 30% is successful to play 99+ games.. not a high impact player... Which would likely be 5% as a guess.

The argument holds zero water.
- IonSabres

As I said, you get an impactful player, then there's a chance of a high impact player. I did not say there was a 30% chance of getting a high impact player. However, from RoR to Pominville, we should know this is feasible.

Beck is 100% a unimpactful player. So your argument is flawed from the get go as you're approaching this as if Beck has any substantive impact on the team's outlook...he doesn't at all. That 2nd rounder had a chance to. We traded a chance for nothing.

Wash Rinse Repeat! Like lon, you and a few others have said he missed his signals a few years back. And it really has gone backwards since. IMO
- Buff36

Not directed at you 36, just using your post as a jumping off point for clarity...

To be clear, I have high disdain for Adams as GM. He completely sucks as he can't close a deal to save his job.

I'm 100% on board with him getting canned... I do wonder what dunce Pegula would bring in and the impact another change of direction will bring though.

So I am not defending the job that Adams has done, rather just objecting to how fever pitch of using a 2nd on a 4th liner like it is the end of the world

I hate arguments that attempt to determine a specific player's chances to hit or impact solely based on aggregate history.
- TheSabresTaco

?
So who is the specific player? It was a Draft Selection discussed, not a specific player.

And you're projecting as if Malenstyn is good, where he isn't...

Beck is a dime a dozen player and what you get with failed picks. Washington has a couple more of him in the AHL right now.

I'd rather swing for the fences than just go down watching strikes. I'd take a 5 year project player over a 4th line grinder any day of the week. Especially for a team that is supposedly building through the draft. Again, trading away a top50 pick for a temporary 4th liner is how bad teams stay bad.
- QuinnFan

I never said he was good, that is your assumption if what I said.
I said he fit the profile of what they wanted,
Fast
Tenacious
PK 'er
Provides tertiary scoring with 2 points

There is a difference.

Not directed at you 36, just using your post as a jumping off point for clarity...

To be clear, I have high disdain for Adams as GM. He completely sucks as he can't close a deal to save his job.

I'm 100% on board with him getting canned... I do wonder what dunce Pegula would bring in and the impact another change of direction will bring though.

So I am not defending the job that Adams has done, rather just objecting to how fever pitch of using a 2nd on a 4th liner like it is the end of the world
- IonSabres

What I wrote really has nothing to do with that! And I would have taken Hutson or Brunicke over that Trade.