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fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Sep 15 @ 7:08 PM ET
I would love to see stats pertaining to size, injuries, and career length... I think the "smaller = fragile" theory is a myth, or at least greatly exaggerated.
- Pat1993

yeah, you have all types of fragile players, small and big. not sure there's a link there. but that's not the point. the point is when you play 82 games againts bigger players.... small ones at one point will suffer more. more difficult to get the puck in the corner, more difficult to stand in front of the net, more difficult for dmen to box out bigger players...
like I said, you can have 1 on your team, not 4 or 5. just look at past cup winners.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Sep 15 @ 7:09 PM ET
No they were advertised as they have size “and you can’t teach size”
- mr.peanut


that's why guys like John Scott need to be cherished and rewarded with all-star game appearances.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:11 PM ET
yeah, you have all types of fragile players, small and big. not sure there's a link there. but that's not the point. the point is when you play 82 games againts bigger players.... small ones at one point will suffer more. more difficult to get the puck in the corner, more difficult to stand in front of the net, more difficult for dmen to box out bigger players...
like I said, you can have 1 on your team, not 4 or 5. just look at past cup winners.

- fidopro


well it kind of is, you were implying that if Tinordi and McCarron were smaller they might not still be playing.
fidopro
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Sep 15 @ 7:13 PM ET
well it kind of is, you were implying that if Tinordi and McCarron were smaller they might not still be playing.
- Pat1993

not because they would be injured

Jarvis, Gilmour... many small players had very long careers without missing games.
and some big ones did miss a lot of games. like I said no link there imo.
Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:16 PM ET
When the talent is equivalent, you go for the bigger guy ... hope that clears it up.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:17 PM ET
not because they would be injured
- fidopro


so, because they sucked..? chances are, if they were smaller, they would probably be quicker, and represent a different kind of player entirely.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:20 PM ET
When the talent is equivalent, you go for the bigger guy ... hope that clears it up.
- Garfield512


it's more complicated than that though imho, bigger and smaller guys usually have different skill sets that can fill different needs. very rarely do you get the ultimate full package (big, fast, aggressive, can hit, offensively very gifted...)
Garfield512
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Sep 15 @ 7:23 PM ET
it's more complicated than that though imho, bigger and smaller guys usually have different skill sets that can fill different needs. very rarely do you get the ultimate full package (big, fast, aggressive, can hit, offensively very gifted...)
- Pat1993

Bigger players are more useful over all ... you can put them in the bottom 6 to bang the opposition around.

Smaller players are useful when they are in the top 6, other than that they are vulnerable when slotted against other team's bottom 6 players.
That's why I say skillfull small players still have their place.
fidopro
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Sep 15 @ 7:24 PM ET
When the talent is equivalent, you go for the bigger guy ... hope that clears it up.
- Garfield512

the exact opposite for gf
Garfield512
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Sep 15 @ 7:25 PM ET
the exact opposite for gf
- fidopro

gf?
fidopro
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Sep 15 @ 7:25 PM ET
gf?
- Garfield512

girl friend
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:25 PM ET
Bigger players are more useful over all ... you can put them in the bottom 6 to bang the opposition around.

Smaller players are useful when they are in the top 6, other than that they are vulnerable when slotted against other team's bottom 6 players.

- Garfield512



well that would depend on who you pair them with imo. Paul Byron barely ever played in the top 6 but was pretty damn useful.

bygones I guess.
Garfield512
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Sep 15 @ 7:26 PM ET
girl friend
- fidopro

fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Sep 15 @ 7:27 PM ET
well that would depend on who you pair them with imo. Paul Byron barely ever played in the top 6 but was pretty damn useful.

bygones I guess.

- Pat1993

good example there Pat. Byron was never injured. lol
fidopro
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Sep 15 @ 7:28 PM ET

- Garfield512

Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:29 PM ET
good example there Pat. Byron was never injured. lol
- fidopro


oh come on, that dumb fight against Weegar was what really (frank)ed him up lol, he was never the same player afterwards.

you also agreed with me earlier that there was no correlation between size and injuries, so I'm not sure where you're going with this anymore.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Sep 15 @ 7:30 PM ET
oh come on, that dumb fight against Weegar was what really (frank)ed him up lol, he was never the same player afterwards.

you also agreed with me earlier that there was no correlation between size and injuries, so I'm not sure where you're going with this anymore.

- Pat1993


true.
Byron was crazy fast, he had that one elite quality, among others. something small players like Farrell and Mesar do not have.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:31 PM ET
true.
Byron was crazy fast, he had that one elite quality, among others. something small players like Farrell and Mesar do not have.

- fidopro


never said they did either.


jpense qu'on a faite le tour
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Sep 15 @ 7:33 PM ET
never said they did either.


jpense qu'on a faite le tour

- Pat1993

it's like for TVs. go big, you won't regret it.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:34 PM ET
it's like for dildos. go big, you won't regret it.
- fidopro




fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Sep 15 @ 7:34 PM ET

- Pat1993

also true I guess lol
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:36 PM ET
also true I guess lol
- fidopro



I dunno, regrets could become a very real possibility imho lol.
Garfield512
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Sep 15 @ 7:40 PM ET
well that would depend on who you pair them with imo. Paul Byron barely ever played in the top 6 but was pretty damn useful.

bygones I guess.

- Pat1993

Ti-Paul was a big hearted player and always faced big bottom 6 guys from other teams night after night ... but his career was cut short because of injuries.

I have no way to prove this but if he had played in the top 6, he might still be playing. Just saying ...

If Caufield wasn't in the top 6 ... do you see him having any role in our bottom 6?
He's on the team because he's skilled in spite of his small size.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:42 PM ET
Ti-Paul was a big hearted player and always faced big bottom 6 guys from other teams night after night ... but his career was cut short because of injuries.

I have no way to prove this but if he had played in the top 6, he might still be playing. Just saying ...

- Garfield512


mostly because of a dumb fight that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

if he had played against top 6 guys and top dmen all the time he might not have been as efficient either.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Sep 15 @ 7:43 PM ET
Ti-Paul was a big hearted player and always faced big bottom 6 guys from other teams night after night ... but his career was cut short because of injuries.

I have no way to prove this but if he had played in the top 6, he might still be playing. Just saying ...

If Caufield wasn't in the top 6 ... do you see him having any role in our bottom 6?
He's on the team because he's skilled in spite of his small size
.

- Garfield512




small but completely different player to Byron, not the same at all.
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