Flyers created the tension. Now they have to be concerned about the players that agent represents at the NHL and amateur level.

They will now potentially miss out on a high level group players. That is not good.
- furio16

Wait ... what do you mean the Flyers created this tension? How? The Flyers had a major shakeup within their organization, and still offered Gauthier an ELC after his first year in college and a chance to make the Flyers roster, and he completely shuns them, simply because he wanted to burn 1 year of his ELC? What player does this? The answer, no player before Gauthier. The Flyers did not create the tension here. They would have bent over backwards for Gauthier if he had simply expressed his concerns and a professional manner, which BTW is what the agent is supposed to do!

It is not ridiculous as the Flyers hood grudges. Right or wrong. Jones and Torts I can easily seee saying screw this guy. We are the Flyers.
- furio16

The Flyers brass have not shown themselves to be critical thinkers but the basis for them to have a grudge against the agent is stupid. I am not saying they aren't holding a grudge, just that if they are it's beyond stupid.

That is a fair and logical point.

I don't really watch anymore, except bits and pieces, because in my heart and mind, I don't see them on a contending track. When I do watch, it is desultory watching. To be frank, I am brutally bored by them.

I will watch a few games this year to see MM.

I chat about them here because of procrastination, social media inertia (habit).

Is my behavior consistent with my beliefs? 😉
- PT21

To spend the majority of one’s time being miserable is strange to me. I get popping in here and there to confirm something sucks but to waste all of one’s time is odd. Penn State will never win with Franklin so I don’t follow Penn State anymore. When he leaves I will come back but until then I don’t watch games, follow recruiting or anything regarding the program.

The Flyers brass have not shown themselves to be critical thinkers but the basis for them to have a grudge against the agent is stupid. I am not saying they aren't holding a grudge, just that if they are it's beyond stupid.
- Flyers_01

I agree it would be very dumb. You do not let one incident dictate others. At least on the surface.

Wait ... what do you mean the Flyers created this tension? How? The Flyers had a major shakeup within their organization, and still offered Gauthier an ELC after his first year in college and a chance to make the Flyers roster, and he completely shuns them, simply because he wanted to burn 1 year of his ELC? What player does this? The answer, no player before Gauthier. The Flyers did not create the tension here. They would have bent over backwards for Gauthier if he had simply expressed his concerns and a professional manner, which BTW is what the agent is supposed to do!
- jd250

Cutter should have had a contract in his hand as soon as his last game was over his freshman year. Do you disagree with that?

You say a chance to make the Flyers roster. Are they giving MM a chance? Or is it a guarantee? Did they give Fedotov a chance or give him a roster spot right from jump street?

Wait ... what do you mean the Flyers created this tension? How? The Flyers had a major shakeup within their organization, and still offered Gauthier an ELC after his first year in college and a chance to make the Flyers roster, and he completely shuns them, simply because he wanted to burn 1 year of his ELC? What player does this? The answer, no player before Gauthier. The Flyers did not create the tension here. They would have bent over backwards for Gauthier if he had simply expressed his concerns and a professional manner, which BTW is what the agent is supposed to do!
- jd250

Let .. it .. go .. please. The agent was professional. The agent represents many players and has for decades. He did not wake up one day and think to himself "fk the Flyers". Name one thing the agent did that was unprofessional that was within his power? If the player says I am done with a team and doesn't want to talk to them, the agent can't force them.

It is my belief that the Flyers knew more than they publicly let on as it didn't help their narrative. Look at it now with Kolosov where again they know nothing and hear nothing.

The unprecedented one sided media blitz from coach, GM, and POH when they traded him probably caused some tension of the Flyers doing.

Anyone interested in joining a keeper league that has been going on for 21 years PM me. We have four existing teams available. All four rosters have good players.

First come first serve on Roster choice.

You all have had the optimism beaten right out of you.
- psuhockey

The Flyers are the only team I ever wanted to see win a championship. In my entire lifetime they have played one game with a chance to win a title. ONE. That was almost 40 years ago.

Since that game they have won 2 total games in the finals in only two total trips. The last decade this franchise has progressively gotten worse and less relevant year by year.

The current regime is doing the same things as previous regimes. So unless they get lucky I do not see them winning anytime soon.

I keep watching because I am a real fan. I complain because I am a real fan.

-Pessimistic Fan

This rumored Flyers vendetta against the agent is ridiculous.
- Flyers_01

There’s no vendetta. If it’s between 2 players and you’d rather not deal with one agent vs the other it’s an easy call to make. vendetta is over exaggerating it completely

The Flyers are the only team I ever wanted to see win a championship. In my entire lifetime they have played one game with a chance to win a title. ONE. That was almost 40 years ago.

Since that game they have won 2 total games in the finals in only two total trips. The last decade this franchise has progressively gotten worse and less relevant year by year.

The current regime is doing the same things as previous regimes. So unless they get lucky I do not see them winning anytime soon.

I keep watching because I am a real fan. I complain because I am a real fan.

-Pessimistic Fan
- mickel25

They’re also my favourite team by far but if I felt there was no possible way that they would ever be decent again and was so irate about it that i was miserable, I would probably pick another team to watch. I think they’re still a ways away but I don’t think there’s absolutely zero hope. Nor do I think that gmdb has destroyed the team present and future despite the fact that he hasn’t made the moves or drafted the exact players I thought he should or would. In fact, if the team turns it around in the next few years and it’s not the exact way I may have though, I’ll be very happy.

new blob

The reasons Briere stated he did not draft Buium was he was on the smaller side, and the Flyers have Drysdale, York and Andrae, all smaller defenseman, and Briere thought the upside of Luchanko and Buium were the same, thus he went with the bigger organizational need at center. I just can't buy this reasoning. There is just too much overlap with the Gauthier situation here. I also wonder if this had anything to do with why Buium dropped to the Flyers in the first place? I have watched Bonk, I think he has a chance to be a RHS 1D.
- jd250

I'm aware of what Briere said. You don't pass up a 1D talent because of his size. That's incompetence. There aren't any available reports that put Luchanko as having the same upside as Buium. Center is not a bigger organizational need than a 1D. With a first round pick, you should be drafting by BPA, not by organizational need.

You're watching of Bonk, has no relevance and your track record of watching players, is abysmal. It is highly unlikely Bonk becomes an NHL 1D.

prospect rankings and projections are what they are, good click bait in an otherwise boring offseason. I think there is a chance both Bonk and Luchanko develop into top players, but we are a long way off from that. Also, Gauthier is a winger, not a center. The Flyers have good enough wingers right now, they need a stud on D and a true top line center.
- jd250

Gauthier was moved to center in college hockey. The Flyers wanted him playing center.

Basic negativism is not being critical. It’s cope or looking for cheap dopamine hits on the internet to say look see I was right.

Having a top 5 talent in the league is the hardest to get and Michkov has that potential.
- psuhockey

Your first comment is idiotic. I could say the same about your blind optimism, With the distinction that you're rarely right.

Again, I disagree with you latter comment. Top 5 talent centers and defenseman are more difficult to get than a top 5 talent winger.

Wait ... what do you mean the Flyers created this tension? How? The Flyers had a major shakeup within their organization, and still offered Gauthier an ELC after his first year in college and a chance to make the Flyers roster, and he completely shuns them, simply because he wanted to burn 1 year of his ELC? What player does this? The answer, no player before Gauthier. The Flyers did not create the tension here. They would have bent over backwards for Gauthier if he had simply expressed his concerns and a professional manner, which BTW is what the agent is supposed to do!
- jd250

Your blindness to the reality is comical. The Flyers due to their incompetence, created the mess!

To spend the majority of one’s time being miserable is strange to me. I get popping in here and there to confirm something sucks but to waste all of one’s time is odd. Penn State will never win with Franklin so I don’t follow Penn State anymore. When he leaves I will come back but until then I don’t watch games, follow recruiting or anything regarding the program.
- psuhockey

Someone thinking a fan being critical of the team they root for when it's warranted, means that they spend the majority of one's time being miserable, is strange to me. Not to mention illogical.

There is a term for the type of fan you describe in the latter comments. Band wagon jumper.
The fan who sticks with the team through thick and thin, is the true fan.

To spend the majority of one’s time being miserable is strange to me. I get popping in here and there to confirm something sucks but to waste all of one’s time is odd. Penn State will never win with Franklin so I don’t follow Penn State anymore. When he leaves I will come back but until then I don’t watch games, follow recruiting or anything regarding the program.
- psuhockey

I assume you mean majority of one's fandom time. Personally, I don't really devote too much time to them anymore, as explained earlier, and do have other avenues for my entertainment.

More generally, I understand what you mean. Fandom is meant to be fun, optimism is a good quality in general. At least 2 posters (Scoob, DKos), look upon the Flyers as largely a "fun provider", don't expect too much, just want to be entertained. They do seem happier than most here. Their atttude of optimism is pretty consistent with their low expectations.

The problem is when you are unhappy but watch regularly, it seems to me to be not achieving much. Not only are you probably seeing a confirmation of everything that makes you unhappy in the first place, you are also contibuting (marginally but positively) to the continuation of the economic incentives that prevents change.

As far as my pov on HB itself (not the Flyers but this forum) goes, I wish peoople would break some new intellectual ground every now and then, optimistic or not. The same people argue/say the same things over and over and over.

I assume you mean majority of one's fandom time. Personally, I don't really devote too much time to them anymore, as explained earlier, and do have other avenues for my entertainment.

More generally, I understand what you mean. Fandom is meant to be fun, optimism is a good quality in general. At least 2 posters (Scoob, DKos), look upon the Flyers as largely a "fun provider", don't expect too much, just want to be entertained. They do seem happier than most here. Their atttude of optimism is pretty consistent with their low expectations.

The problem is when you are unhappy but watch regularly, it seems to me to be not achieving much. Not only are you probably seeing a confirmation of everything that makes you unhappy in the first place, you are also contibuting (marginally but positively) to the continuation of the economic incentives that prevents change.

As far as my pov on HB itself (not the Flyers but this forum) goes, I wish peoople would break some new intellectual ground every now and then, optimistic or not. The same people argue/say the same things over and over and over.
- PT21

Including yourself so lead the way. The point you made in your third paragraph is one you've made repeatedly ad nauseam.