It is and there will be plenty of time for organized and structured hockey. Let them go out there and have some fun. Show off their skill and not worry about the defensive side of the puck.
A beginning lifter with good genetics, diet, and rest can gain probably 10-15 lbs a muscle in a year. After that, gains are much harder to come by.
A genetically gifted freak that is an experienced lifter would be ecstatic to gain 5 lbs of muscle, maybe, over a summer. More than that they are juicy.
Most professional athletes use some type of gear, whether it’s for injury recovery or staying lean/building muscle. You’d have to be a complete idiot to get caught through testing.
PEDs are pretty pervasive most everywhere these days. Actors juice up all the time for roles. Laughable when they all say the same thing on talk shows. I’ve been eating a lot chicken and broccoli!
Walk into your local gym and probably 50-60% of the lifters in there are blasting.
It is and there will be plenty of time for organized and structured hockey. Let them go out there and have some fun. Show off their skill and not worry about the defensive side of the puck. - MJL
100% agree! I am just giddy as a fan to watch Michkov and Luchanko skate together tonight. Hopefully it will the beginning of a decade of meaningful hockey around here again.
Its funny, Lappy said today he did not put the lines together, but that he was just following orders from above. I wonder if those orders came from Briere or Torts.
100% agree! I am just giddy as a fan to watch Michkov and Luchanko skate together tonight. Hopefully it will the beginning of a decade of meaningful hockey around here again.
Its funny, Lappy said today he did not put the lines together, but that he was just following orders from above. I wonder if those orders came from Briere or Torts. - jd250
When are you starting the clock on that decade? Tonight?
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It is and there will be plenty of time for organized and structured hockey. Let them go out there and have some fun. Show off their skill and not worry about the defensive side of the puck. - MJL
I would imagine now that the camp is starting that will level off and regress because he wont be able to do the same kind of training. - MBFlyerfan
Muscle mass is much easier to maintain than attain.
Many times people, esp young men, start to do those compound exercises, eat 6000+ of calories etc, and they gain 20 lbs over a summer, and they look buff, but that 20 lbs is not all muscle. In general, you gain 1:1. So, to gain 20 lbs of muscle, your weight should typically increase 40 lbs.
I am trying to think of a situation where someone can truly get that much muscle in that short of a time without roids If an undernourished kid, say 16 years old, with a big frame, and very strong, started a regime, it maybe might be possible. The natural growth hormones, the extra protein, the low base, and the skeletal strength (to support this sudden incredible strain on the body) would all boost the results.
But in general, if you went to a community of muscle builders, and say that you gained 20 lbs of muscle in a summer without supps, they would just roll their eyes.
Also, btw, this is not commendable for a hockey player at all. Excess sudden muscle growth will for sure affect speed, skating ability ..
Trainers are usually well trained in alternating your workouts so your muscles get a different workout and not used to repetition. - bird_dog_pa
For that level of muscle building, my guess is you would not alternate. You would do lifts, squats, pullups, compounds essentially, all major muscle groups, with heavy weights + short reps, just blast, blast, blast, and then totally rest for 48 hours at least.
Muscle mass is much easier to maintain than attain.
Many times people, esp young men, start to do those compound exercises, eat 6000+ of calories etc, and they gain 20 lbs over a summer, and they look buff, but that 20 lbs is not all muscle. In general, you gain 1:1. So, to gain 20 lbs of muscle, your weight should typically increase 40 lbs.
I am trying to think of a situation where someone can truly get that much muscle in that short of a time without roids If an undernourished kid, say 16 years old, with a big frame, and very strong, started a regime, it maybe might be possible. The natural growth hormones, the extra protein, the low base, and the skeletal strength (to support this sudden incredible strain on the body) would all boost the results.
But in general, if you went to a community of muscle builders, and say that you gained 20 lbs of muscle in a summer without supps, they would just roll their eyes.
Also, btw, this is not commendable for a hockey player at all. Excess sudden muscle growth will for sure affect speed, skating ability .. - PT21
Didn’t JR put on a lot of muscle one summer and said it hurt him or something like that?
Didn’t JR put on a lot of muscle one summer and said it hurt him or something like that? - furio16
Did he? Don't remember.
Random JR non-game memories.
Remember the disco dancing with the fridge
The story about seeing the reading list and dropping out of college
The time when Lindros (then a Ranger) flattened him and he said afterwards he had never been hit like that
The waiver of his NTC (I think?) to allow Foppa to come. Also, "I am a LA (or was it Hollywood) kinda guy"
The dressing up in #16 sweater with blond wig during warmups while Clarke was watching
The tears of joy in the tv studio after Kane's winning goal (!)
The Matvei Michkov era opens with big crowds and even bigger highlights: ‘There’s a reason to be excited’
It didn't take long for Michkov to showcase his high-end skill on Day 1 of Flyers rookie camp. Fans flocked to see Flyers prospect Matvei Michkov on Thursday. He didn't disappoint.
Jose F. Moreno / Staff Photographer
by Jackie Spiegel (Philly.com)
Published Sept. 12, 2024, 5:06 p.m. ET
The ice was congested for Day 1 of rookie camp at the Flyers Training Center.
Twenty-five skaters and a handful of coaches littered the ice Thursday as a couple hundred fans anxiously watched from the other side of the glass. But standing among those decked out in orange, black, and white jerseys, among the future of the Flyers, one carried the weight of the franchise on his shoulders.
It was hard to point out Matvei Michkov at first. At 5-foot-10, he blended in — especially with defensemen Spencer Gill and Hunter McDonald, each standing 6-foot-4, and the 6-6 Matteo Mann towering over him. At 19, Michkov still has a baby face, although he has a thin mustache and some scruff growing now.
But once the Russian winger starts skating, once he has the puck on his stick, it is easy to see he is different. Michkov arguably is the most talented player the Flyers have had in decades. He is a generational talent.
“What I saw today, there’s a reason to be excited,” said Lehigh Valley coach Ian Laperrière, who ran Thursday’s session. “A lot of skills, a lot of intensity ... you can tell he wants to be a difference-maker. I know it’s one practice, but I’m impressed.”
Not to get ahead of ourselves — these were just drills, after all — but impressed may be an understatement. Michkov showcased the quick hands, vision, and competitiveness he is known for. He came as advertised.
Wearing the new orange Fanatics practice jersey with No. 39 on the back, he skated in one-on-one against goalie Carson Bjarnason and shimmied and stickhandled so quickly that he just had to tap the puck through the goaltender’s gaping five-hole. Another time, he skated down the right wing and made a fancy spin pass to Zayde Wisdom at the far post. Michkov pocketed a few shots and snipes, some coming with a knee on the ice, and showed off his toughness as he battled the rugged McDonald in front.
And yes, he tried “a Michigan” lacrosse-style scoop shot ... with everyone checking in for coach John Tortorella’s reaction from his perch atop the rink.
“Yeah, he looks really good,” defenseman Emil Andrae said. “Especially, I saw he’s very competitive. And I like that, as I am also competitive, and I like players that are competitive. And even now, we’re rookie guys out there trying to kind of improve things and really see that he’s competitive, and I really like that.”
How competitive is Michkov? How intense is he? Despite being a teenager, he speaks like a veteran — whether in English or through translator Max Kouznetsov — and his focus is on one thing: winning.
“It’s my job,” he said via translator when asked about how important it is to come out of the gate swinging at rookie camp. “I’m getting ready to play 100% every game, every match.”
Michkov skated primarily with the Flyers 2024 first-round pick, Jett Luchanko. The Guelph Storm centerman already has showcased his scoring touch in a handful of Ontario Hockey League preseason games, but on Thursday, his speed alongside Michkov stood out.
“It was my first time being out there with him, and, obviously, he’s an unbelievable player,” said Luchanko, who added some noticeable muscle in the offseason. “It’s really cool to share the ice with him, and I’m excited to hopefully do that as much as we can moving forward.”
The feeling was mutual, as Michkov said in English that Luchanko was “a really good guy,” before adding with that intensity: “Tomorrow, we are ready.”
Michkov and Luchanko will make their Flyers debuts on Friday when the team’s rookies hit the ice at the PPL Center in Allentown for back-to-back games against their New York Rangers counterparts. The Russian phenom said he may be a little nervous to start, but once warmups are over, he’ll be good. It should help that he’ll have Luchanko as his center. Laperrière joked he should not “take the blame or the credit” for the pairing, as his bosses sent down the directive, but Luchanko, who turned 18 in August, also made an impression.
“He’s impressive,” Laperrière said of Luchanko. “With his feet, he’s got the right name because he flies out there, and I’m excited to see him, too. He’s years away from turning pro, but these are the kids you hear about. ... When I see him in camp live, I can see what they saw in him last year. I’m excited to see him in a game [on Friday].”
As Flyers governor Dan Hilferty made his way through the crowd, saying hello and patting the backs of every fan, he passed by several No. 39 jerseys. “Unbelievable,” Michkov said in English when asked about the fan support and how large the crowd was, before finishing in Russian: “It’s an unbelievable feeling. Words can’t begin to describe it.”
The Michkov era officially will begin about 70 miles north of the Wells Fargo Center. But the buzz at the Flyers Training Center in Voorhees on Thursday was palpable.
“I’ve been here for 15 years, and when people in town get excited about players and the way the direction of the team’s going, the way with [president Keith Jones] and Danny [Brière, the Flyers general manager], what they’re doing, I think everybody’s excited,” Laperrière said. “I don’t think I remember seeing four cameras here [before], I’ll be honest with you. It’s my third or fourth rookie camp, and I’ve never seen that many. I think it’s a great sign, and it’s a great town, and I’m glad they’re excited. I’m excited, too.”
Sotheran sits out
Carter Sotheran was one prospect who did not skate. The defenseman was held out of the first day of rookie camp to undergo tests for a heart condition but is hoping to play against the Rangers.
“I had some issues with my heart for the past few years now, so just kind of doing some tests around here, and then hopefully be good for the weekend,” he said. “We’ll see after today and go from there.”
Sotheran said he was diagnosed with Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome, a rare congenital condition that can cause a rapid heart rate, about four years ago. According to the Mayo Clinic, it rarely is life-threatening. Sotheran takes medication and other precautions to monitor the condition.
”I wear a heart rate [monitor] mostly every time [I skate]. We have that back in Portland,” said Sotheran, who plays for the Winterhawks of the Western Hockey League. “Yeah, it’s been good. I’ve kind of gotten used to it now and able to control it. I think my training has been going pretty well.”
The 19-year-old Winnipeg, Manitoba, native played for Canada at the Summer Showcase, a tournament used by national teams to build their rosters for World Juniors. Aside from the possibility of sporting the maple leaf for the first time in his career in December, this season could be a critical year for Sotheran.
“The biggest thing with junior-age players, we only have a couple of years to work with them, then they’ve got to make a decision,” Nick Schultz, the Flyers’ assistant director of player development, said at development camp in July. “Having only 50 contracts, management has to make decisions on who we are keeping and who we’re not keeping, so it’s going to be a big year for him this year. We’re going to have to work with him, watch him this year, and see how he progresses throughout the year.”
Breakaways
Center Denver Barkey did not skate Thursday either as he is recovering from an illness. ... McDonald left an impression. The big blueliner had several battles at the net-front that left him eye-to-eye with his teammates. Forward Jacob Gaucher, who also is 6-4 and re-signed with the Phantoms in August, was among the Flyers who had to be separated from McDonald.
Muscle mass is much easier to maintain than attain.
Many times people, esp young men, start to do those compound exercises, eat 6000+ of calories etc, and they gain 20 lbs over a summer, and they look buff, but that 20 lbs is not all muscle. In general, you gain 1:1. So, to gain 20 lbs of muscle, your weight should typically increase 40 lbs.
I am trying to think of a situation where someone can truly get that much muscle in that short of a time without roids If an undernourished kid, say 16 years old, with a big frame, and very strong, started a regime, it maybe might be possible. The natural growth hormones, the extra protein, the low base, and the skeletal strength (to support this sudden incredible strain on the body) would all boost the results.
But in general, if you went to a community of muscle builders, and say that you gained 20 lbs of muscle in a summer without supps, they would just roll their eyes.
Also, btw, this is not commendable for a hockey player at all. Excess sudden muscle growth will for sure affect speed, skating ability .. - PT21
The Matvei Michkov era opens with big crowds and even bigger highlights: ‘There’s a reason to be excited’
It didn't take long for Michkov to showcase his high-end skill on Day 1 of Flyers rookie camp. Fans flocked to see Flyers prospect Matvei Michkov on Thursday. He didn't disappoint.
Jose F. Moreno / Staff Photographer
by Jackie Spiegel (Philly.com)
Published Sept. 12, 2024, 5:06 p.m. ET
The ice was congested for Day 1 of rookie camp at the Flyers Training Center.
Twenty-five skaters and a handful of coaches littered the ice Thursday as a couple hundred fans anxiously watched from the other side of the glass. But standing among those decked out in orange, black, and white jerseys, among the future of the Flyers, one carried the weight of the franchise on his shoulders.
It was hard to point out Matvei Michkov at first. At 5-foot-10, he blended in — especially with defensemen Spencer Gill and Hunter McDonald, each standing 6-foot-4, and the 6-6 Matteo Mann towering over him. At 19, Michkov still has a baby face, although he has a thin mustache and some scruff growing now.
But once the Russian winger starts skating, once he has the puck on his stick, it is easy to see he is different. Michkov arguably is the most talented player the Flyers have had in decades. He is a generational talent.
“What I saw today, there’s a reason to be excited,” said Lehigh Valley coach Ian Laperrière, who ran Thursday’s session. “A lot of skills, a lot of intensity ... you can tell he wants to be a difference-maker. I know it’s one practice, but I’m impressed.”
Not to get ahead of ourselves — these were just drills, after all — but impressed may be an understatement. Michkov showcased the quick hands, vision, and competitiveness he is known for. He came as advertised.
Wearing the new orange Fanatics practice jersey with No. 39 on the back, he skated in one-on-one against goalie Carson Bjarnason and shimmied and stickhandled so quickly that he just had to tap the puck through the goaltender’s gaping five-hole. Another time, he skated down the right wing and made a fancy spin pass to Zayde Wisdom at the far post. Michkov pocketed a few shots and snipes, some coming with a knee on the ice, and showed off his toughness as he battled the rugged McDonald in front.
And yes, he tried “a Michigan” lacrosse-style scoop shot ... with everyone checking in for coach John Tortorella’s reaction from his perch atop the rink.
“Yeah, he looks really good,” defenseman Emil Andrae said. “Especially, I saw he’s very competitive. And I like that, as I am also competitive, and I like players that are competitive. And even now, we’re rookie guys out there trying to kind of improve things and really see that he’s competitive, and I really like that.”
How competitive is Michkov? How intense is he? Despite being a teenager, he speaks like a veteran — whether in English or through translator Max Kouznetsov — and his focus is on one thing: winning.
“It’s my job,” he said via translator when asked about how important it is to come out of the gate swinging at rookie camp. “I’m getting ready to play 100% every game, every match.”
Michkov skated primarily with the Flyers 2024 first-round pick, Jett Luchanko. The Guelph Storm centerman already has showcased his scoring touch in a handful of Ontario Hockey League preseason games, but on Thursday, his speed alongside Michkov stood out.
“It was my first time being out there with him, and, obviously, he’s an unbelievable player,” said Luchanko, who added some noticeable muscle in the offseason. “It’s really cool to share the ice with him, and I’m excited to hopefully do that as much as we can moving forward.”
The feeling was mutual, as Michkov said in English that Luchanko was “a really good guy,” before adding with that intensity: “Tomorrow, we are ready.”
Michkov and Luchanko will make their Flyers debuts on Friday when the team’s rookies hit the ice at the PPL Center in Allentown for back-to-back games against their New York Rangers counterparts. The Russian phenom said he may be a little nervous to start, but once warmups are over, he’ll be good. It should help that he’ll have Luchanko as his center. Laperrière joked he should not “take the blame or the credit” for the pairing, as his bosses sent down the directive, but Luchanko, who turned 18 in August, also made an impression.
“He’s impressive,” Laperrière said of Luchanko. “With his feet, he’s got the right name because he flies out there, and I’m excited to see him, too. He’s years away from turning pro, but these are the kids you hear about. ... When I see him in camp live, I can see what they saw in him last year. I’m excited to see him in a game - PT21[on Friday].”
As Flyers governor Dan Hilferty made his way through the crowd, saying hello and patting the backs of every fan, he passed by several No. 39 jerseys. “Unbelievable,” Michkov said in English when asked about the fan support and how large the crowd was, before finishing in Russian: “It’s an unbelievable feeling. Words can’t begin to describe it.”
The Michkov era officially will begin about 70 miles north of the Wells Fargo Center. But the buzz at the Flyers Training Center in Voorhees on Thursday was palpable.
“I’ve been here for 15 years, and when people in town get excited about players and the way the direction of the team’s going, the way with [president Keith Jones] and Danny [Brière, the Flyers general manager], what they’re doing, I think everybody’s excited,” Laperrière said. “I don’t think I remember seeing four cameras here [before], I’ll be honest with you. It’s my third or fourth rookie camp, and I’ve never seen that many. I think it’s a great sign, and it’s a great town, and I’m glad they’re excited. I’m excited, too.”
Sotheran sits out
Carter Sotheran was one prospect who did not skate. The defenseman was held out of the first day of rookie camp to undergo tests for a heart condition but is hoping to play against the Rangers.
“I had some issues with my heart for the past few years now, so just kind of doing some tests around here, and then hopefully be good for the weekend,” he said. “We’ll see after today and go from there.”
Sotheran said he was diagnosed with Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome, a rare congenital condition that can cause a rapid heart rate, about four years ago. According to the Mayo Clinic, it rarely is life-threatening. Sotheran takes medication and other precautions to monitor the condition.
”I wear a heart rate [monitor] mostly every time [I skate]. We have that back in Portland,” said Sotheran, who plays for the Winterhawks of the Western Hockey League. “Yeah, it’s been good. I’ve kind of gotten used to it now and able to control it. I think my training has been going pretty well.”
The 19-year-old Winnipeg, Manitoba, native played for Canada at the Summer Showcase, a tournament used by national teams to build their rosters for World Juniors. Aside from the possibility of sporting the maple leaf for the first time in his career in December, this season could be a critical year for Sotheran.
“The biggest thing with junior-age players, we only have a couple of years to work with them, then they’ve got to make a decision,” Nick Schultz, the Flyers’ assistant director of player development, said at development camp in July. “Having only 50 contracts, management has to make decisions on who we are keeping and who we’re not keeping, so it’s going to be a big year for him this year. We’re going to have to work with him, watch him this year, and see how he progresses throughout the year.”
Breakaways
Center Denver Barkey did not skate Thursday either as he is recovering from an illness. ... McDonald left an impression. The big blueliner had several battles at the net-front that left him eye-to-eye with his teammates. Forward Jacob Gaucher, who also is 6-4 and re-signed with the Phantoms in August, was among the Flyers who had to be separated from McDonald.
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Hunter McDonald stayed here all summer and worked out at the Flyers facility. He put on a whopping 20 pounds of muscle.
I wonder what Hunter’s stack is? - StepfordSam
If its lean muscle mass, its virtually impossible to do so without, considering a multitude of factors
