LMAO Frost the season before led the team in ES scoring for a 50 game stretch. Then after two games the next season, TWO, Tortorella decided to bench and he sat out how many games? JD, I know you lack hockey knowledge but do you have any common sense? Any whatsoever? Other players have had the same inconsistencies. Played poorly defensively for large chunks of the season and were not treated the same as Frost was. What you will not accept is that there is fantasy and there is reality. Your opinion is fantasy. - MJL
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Sep 17 @ 12:25 PM ET
Thanks for that.
How do you know though from that image that the lion's production came from playing w/ Couts? First, that is playing time (I assume) not linemates/point. And if the former, seems like he played with Couts 37 odd % and with Hayes 28%. Not that different. - PT21
I should have said Coots and/or Claude there.*
27 out of his 38 ES points that season had one or both on the ice with him. Every single one of his 23 PP points that season had one or both on the ice with him.
Also, are you suggesting that playing with Couts is the reason he took off that season? Are the stats that asymmetric? - PT21
His scoring jumped because he got promoted to PP1 and snagged an unusually high number of PP assists that season.
He wasn't really asserting himself the way he's been doing since Claude left even though he was point per game that year.
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Sep 17 @ 12:26 PM ET
I don't know how it works. There are two teams who this affects cap wise. Johansen has 60 days to appeal. If both teams use the cap space gained and then Johansen wins the appeal, then what happens? - MJL
I understand the process, but why this long to get a confirmation on the actions of the Flyers. Clearly the process is still going on, so nothing has changed, right?
It was almost a month ago the Flyers waived and terminated the contract...that's around 30 days to get a confirmation. I would guarantee the Johansen camp is going to wait for the very last second to appeal, why would they do it right away? No player or agent would be happy about this, so they would at the very least make it as tough on the Flyers as possible.
I should have said Coots and/or Claude there.*
27 out of his 38 ES points that season had one or both on the ice with him. Every single one of his 23 PP points that season had one or both on the ice with him.
His scoring jumped because he got promoted to PP1 and snagged an unusually high number of PP assists that season.
He wasn't really asserting himself the way he's been doing since Claude left even though he was point per game that year. - Tomahawk
But a quick look at the image you posted suggests he played about 80% of the time with either Claude or Couts. Yet only about 67% of his production came from playing with them. In other words, he was actually more productive per min played when he was away from those 2 (even strength).
Anyway, this is getting pedantic. I am going to resort to the good old eye test to come back to the central point. Right from the time TK started playing with us, there were signs of very high end skill. Problem is, these were often no more than sightings. But they were there.
I have not yet seen that same "star" glimpses from Frost, though I have to confess, I don't watch that much any more, and just usually end up watching highlights and goals.
Anyone else see that Kolosov wanted a guaranteed NHL roster spot? - WhiskeyMan
Yes
Kolosov recently changed agents, presumably to help facilitate a change or a move, going from J.P. Barry to Dan Milstein. So far, though, no resolution has been reached either way. The Flyers are not willing to loan the former Dinamo Minsk star back to the KHL.
It appears that Kolosov wanted assurances of a guaranteed spot on the NHL roster, but that was not something the Flyers had in mind, especially after signing Ivan Fedotov to serve as the understudy to Sam Ersson.
“I think on his end, it’s more about he wants to be guaranteed a spot in the NHL,” Briere continued. “If not, he prefers to stay over there, and that’s not the way we see it. . . We want him here.”
This is what happens when you open up the can of worms with players. Same thing Quitter and McGroaty wanted. These players are just entitled and the Flyers should stay away from players like this. Roster spots are earned, not given! You might ask but what about Michkov? My answer is Michkov has earned his roster spot just by his play throughout his young career, where he has demonstrated his elite level.
LMAO Frost the season before led the team in ES scoring for a 50 game stretch. Then after two games the next season, TWO, Tortorella decided to bench and he sat out how many games? JD, I know you lack hockey knowledge but do you have any common sense? Any whatsoever? Other players have had the same inconsistencies. Played poorly defensively for large chunks of the season and were not treated the same as Frost was. What you will not accept is that there is fantasy and there is reality. Your opinion is fantasy. - MJL
Again because I simply disagree with you that makes me ignorant and lacking hockey knowledge and common sense.
Again you mentioned the ES scoring two years ago, a season where the Flyers were out of it by the New Year. How did Frost do last year in the final two weeks of the season when the team needed him the most? Of even in the final game where the coach has zero faith in him? Oh .. that's right .. it's the coaches fault.
But a quick look at the image you posted suggests he played about 80% of the time with either Claude or Couts. Yet only about 67% of his production came from playing with them. In other words, he was actually more productive per min played when he was away from those 2 (even strength).
Anyway, this is getting pedantic. I am going to resort to the good old eye test to come back to the central point. Right from the time TK started playing with us, there were signs of very high end skill. Problem is, these were often no more than sightings. But they were there.
I have not yet seen that same "star" glimpses from Frost, though I have to confess, I don't watch that much any more, and just usually end up watching highlights and goals. - PT21
The mistake is looking for "star" glimpses. He is not going to be a star and was never projected to be a star. Is Konecny legitimately a "star"?
In other news, these are players I COULD see the Flyers targeting. I don't have a source, I am not going by rumors, I don't know if the teams want it or if salary works out....just going by my gut:
Jakob Chychrun - LD (WSH) (1/4.6m)
Shea Theodore - LD (VGK) (1/5.2m)
Mathew Barzal - C (NYI) (7/9.15m)
Ryan Pulock - RD (NYI) (6/6.15m)
Josh Norris - C (OTT) (6/7.95m)
Thomas Chabot - LD (OTT) (4/8m)
Aaron Ekblad - RD (FLA) (1/7.5m)
Mitch Marner - RW (TOR) (1/10.9m)
Darnell Nurse - LD (EDM) (6/9.25m)
Jacob Trouba - RD (NYR) (2/8m)
Kaapo Kakko - RW/LW (NYR) (1/2.4m)
Brock Boeser - RW (VAN) (1/6.65m)
Marco Rossi - C (MIN) (1/863K) RFA
Dante Fabbro - RD (NSH) (1/2.5m)
Thomas Harley - LD (DAL) (RFA)
Dougie Hamilton - RD (NJ) (4/9m)
Seth Jones - RD (CHI) (6/9.5m)
Connor Murphy - RD (CHI) (2/4.4m)
Nikolaj - LW (WPG) (1/6m)
Neal Pionk - RD (WPG) (1/5.875m)
Joe Veleno - C (DET) (2/2.275m)
Barrett Hayton - C (UTH) (2/2.65m)
Peyton Krebs - C (BUF) (2/1.45m)
Henri Jokiharju - RD (BUF) (1/3.1m)
Nazem Kadri - C (CGY) (5/7m)
Andrei Kuzmenko - LW (CGY) (1/5.5m)
Rasmus Andersson - RD (CGY) (2/4.55m)
Trevor Zegras - C/LW (ANA) (2/5.75m)
Kent Johnson - C/LW (CBJ) (3/1.8m) - Glak18
Id pass on most. Zegras as #2 would be interesting but Cost wouldnt make sense to me.
Im not too familiar with Kent Johnson but I know people are high on him. Id be interested
I understand the process, but why this long to get a confirmation on the actions of the Flyers. Clearly the process is still going on, so nothing has changed, right?
It was almost a month ago the Flyers waived and terminated the contract...that's around 30 days to get a confirmation. I would guarantee the Johansen camp is going to wait for the very last second to appeal, why would they do it right away? No player or agent would be happy about this, so they would at the very least make it as tough on the Flyers as possible. - Glak18
unless the league steps in because the last thing the league wants is to get this in front of an arbitrator.
Again because I simply disagree with you that makes me ignorant and lacking hockey knowledge and common sense.
Again you mentioned the ES scoring two years ago, a season where the Flyers were out of it by the New Year. How did Frost do last year in the final two weeks of the season when the team needed him the most? Of even in the final game where the coach has zero faith in him? Oh .. that's right .. it's the coaches fault. - jd250
No, what makes you ignorant is thinking that Frost being scratched for numerous games after playing two games of the season, after how he played the previous season, is Frost's fault. Is what makes you ignorant.
The majority of the team poop the bed the final two weeks. Yet Frost and Brink were singled out. The fool of a coach sat them both in a 2-1 loss and played Poehling 19 minutes when Frost and Brink were far more likely to score a goal.
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Sep 17 @ 12:45 PM ET
Anyway, this is getting pedantic. I am going to resort to the good old eye test to come back to the central point. Right from the time TK started playing with us, there were signs of very high end skill. Problem is, these were often no more than sightings. But they were there.
I have not yet seen that same "star" glimpses from Frost, though I have to confess, I don't watch that much any more, and just usually end up watching highlights and goals. - PT21
What I am not seeing/hearing in any of the articles is Kolosov or Kolosov's agent saying he wants a guaranteed NHL contract or he's not coming over. DB isn't even saying anyone told him that but as long as Kolosov and his agent aren't talking publicly DB can imply whatever he wants.
I am not implying DB is doing anything wrong, it is just my feeling that this is a PR tactic as opposed to a fact.
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Sep 17 @ 12:48 PM ET
Again because I simply disagree with you that makes me ignorant and lacking hockey knowledge and common sense.
Again you mentioned the ES scoring two years ago, a season where the Flyers were out of it by the New Year. How did Frost do last year in the final two weeks of the season when the team needed him the most? Of even in the final game where the coach has zero faith in him? Oh .. that's right .. it's the coaches fault. - jd250
While I understand your overall point, he did the same as all the other players on the roster. They all poop the bed.
those 54 points were a career high. under torts. despite getting hosed the part of the 2nd half - hello it's me 2050
He had 54 points in 2018-19 too for NYR\WPG. Also look at his Games played over his career. He has missed a lot of time due to injury. 50 point range is more his avg if he played full seasons. At best he is a bottm tier 2nd line C. More often than not he played below that
The mistake is looking for "star" glimpses. He is not going to be a star and was never projected to be a star. Is Konecny legitimately a "star"? - MJL
TK is a legimate all star in this league IMO. Frost was never projected to be a star??
So in your opinion the Flyers traded a legitmate NHL forward in Brayden Schenn, who is now captain of the Blues and a cup winner, and took on the contract of a bad Jori Lehtera to move up to select Frost, and they did this to get a player that they never projected to be a star player???
I saw this earlier posted, but I didn't watch the presser to see if Briere actually said it. - Glak18
Well. There it is then if this is true. I wonder what the play is now? I guess try to trade him but teams would have to be leary of this demand. I wonder if he’ll sit out or just play in the khl (in the event that the k ignores the agreement with the nhl and lets him play.).
While I understand your overall point, he did the same as all the other players on the roster. They all poop the bed. - MBFlyerfan
Not all of the players, but most of the players for sure, and I feel it was due to mental fatique and what happened between Torts and Couts. With that being said, players like Poehling kept playing well, where was Frost? I mean, this is what I am referring to, if Frost was one of the best players on the team down the stretch maybe the team wins a few more games and makes the playoffs. Frost, like other players on the team, had a chance to shine when the team was down, and didn't step up.
And I don't mean to single out Frost, but this is an example of an opportunity he didn't grab and make the most of.
