Zegras is exactly the kind of player that the Flyers need to stay away from.
- MJL

But Frost isnt? Zegras is 23 and has has two 60 point NHL seasons. I am not advocating for trading for him but If I had the option to pick between Zegras and Frost, Id pick Zegras. The gap between the two is pretty big.

Well. There it is then if this is true. I wonder what the play is now? I guess try to trade him but teams would have to be leary of this demand. I wonder if he’ll sit out or just play in the khl (in the event that the k ignores the agreement with the nhl and lets him play.).


Never easy in flyerland.
- Hextall271

Didn't it come out yesterday that the Flyers would want a 2nd round pick in return for Kolosov? There has to be a connection to todays story to yesterday?

While I understand your overall point, he did the same as all the other players on the roster. They all poop the bed.
- MBFlyerfan

Right, so why single players out. Foerster had zero points the final two weeks of the season. Farabee had 1 point.

Didn't it come out yesterday that the Flyers would want a 2nd round pick in return for Kolosov? There has to be a connection to todays story to yesterday?
- WhiskeyMan

Yes. I think Friedman reported that. To me that’s a hefty asking price for a guy who wants a guaranteed spot. I think teams will steer clear.

How can the league step in at this juncture? Either they settle, he accepts the termination, or they go to arbitrator.
- furio16

Fom what I have read and heard, the league wants to avoid this getting in front an arbitraot and will force a settlement.

But Frost isnt? Zegras is 23 and has has two 60 point NHL seasons. I am not advocating for trading for him but If I had the option to pick between Zegras and Frost, Id pick Zegras. The gap between the two is pretty big.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Do we have to trade for Frost and give up draft picks or other assets to acquire him? What would it cost to re-sign Zegras after 25-26?It's not an option to just pick between either. I'm not sure what some guys don't get. All a player like Zegras is going to do for you, is make you a little better and a bubble playoff team. Adding more to the cap and helping you to get a weaker draft pick. He is not a piece to build a legit cup contender with. So what do you want? Do you want to just make the playoffs and get better? Or do you want to build a legit cup contender with an open window over a significant period of years? You don't do it by trading for a player like Zegras.

Right, so why single players out. Foerster had zero points the final two weeks of the season. Farabee had 1 point.
- MJL

well, you know my opinion of Farabee, the OK player with OK skill. Foerster might have hit the rookie wall. Frost should have been one of the Flyers best players down the stretch and he failed to be.

Fom what I have read and heard, the league wants to avoid this getting in front an arbitraot and will force a settlement.
- jd250

The league can't force a settlement.

TK is a legimate all star in this league IMO. Frost was never projected to be a star??

So in your opinion the Flyers traded a legitmate NHL forward in Brayden Schenn, who is now captain of the Blues and a cup winner, and took on the contract of a bad Jori Lehtera to move up to select Frost, and they did this to get a player that they never projected to be a star player???

- jd250

You expect to get a star player out of a 27th-overall pick? That's kinda flies in the face of historical record. To put it into perspective only six 27th-overalls have ever surpassed 300 career points in NHL history.

well, you know my opinion of Farabee, the OK player with OK skill. Foerster might have hit the rookie wall. Frost should have been one of the Flyers best players down the stretch and he failed to be.
- jd250

Yes, your opinion of Farabee is another ignorant opinion.

How many players played in the NHL last year?

But Frost isnt? Zegras is 23 and has has two 60 point NHL seasons. I am not advocating for trading for him but If I had the option to pick between Zegras and Frost, Id pick Zegras. The gap between the two is pretty big.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Frost is not a player the Flyers should stay away from, but the problem with Frost is he is either a top 6 forward in the NHL or bust. He is not a checker. He is not a great faceoff center. He is not a bruiser. He is a playmaker and a skilled player. The problem is does he have enough skill and drive to be a top 6 C on a legitimate cup contender which is what we want the Flyers to be. IMO the answer is No.

Well. There it is then if this is true. I wonder what the play is now? I guess try to trade him but teams would have to be leary of this demand. I wonder if he’ll sit out or just play in the khl (in the event that the k ignores the agreement with the nhl and lets him play.).


Never easy in flyerland.
- Hextall271

I could see the Flyers dealing him in a package or for a prospect swap. I just don't see any other team out there willing to put him on the roster, he would have to have at least a couple incredible KHL seasons to raise his stock. I personally see all the leverage with the Flyers in this case.

TK is a legimate all star in this league IMO. Frost was never projected to be a star??

So in your opinion the Flyers traded a legitmate NHL forward in Brayden Schenn, who is now captain of the Blues and a cup winner, and took on the contract of a bad Jori Lehtera to move up to select Frost, and they did this to get a player that they never projected to be a star player???

- jd250

Schenn was given ample opportunities to produce here. He never lived up to his high draft WJHC hype. He went to a team that suited his strengths, a team that caught lightning in a bottle with Binnington esp.

But look at his actual contributions in that playoff run. He centered the first line, with Tarasenko and Schwartz. But he didn't do much at all. And since then, he has largely reverted to his 55 odd points a season form.

I am fine with that trade. Taking flyers on getting guys like Frost into the lineup at the expense of guys like Schenn is what is needed. The problem is not that trade. The problem is they don't do enough of it, don't do it at the high end of the draft, and then, lose patience.

My suspicion is that Luchanko means they do not see Frost as the long term 2C upside guy. Else, the same logic they used to justify not taking Buium would have applied to JL.

Fom what I have read and heard, the league wants to avoid this getting in front an arbitraot and will force a settlement.
- jd250

They can’t force anything. The league gave the Flyers the green light to proceed.

Heard from where or whom?

He had 54 points in 2018-19 too for NYR\WPG. Also look at his Games played over his career. He has missed a lot of time due to injury. 50 point range is more his avg if he played full seasons. At best he is a bottm tier 2nd line C. More often than not he played below that
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

When Hayes was named an all star, he had 35 points in 38 games and was having a career offensive season. Then Tortorella decided to (frank) with him.

Do we have to trade for Frost and give up draft picks or other assets to acquire him? What would it cost to re-sign Zegras after 25-26?It's not an option to just pick between either. I'm not sure what some guys don't get. All a player like Zegras is going to do for you, is make you a little better and a bubble playoff team. Adding more to the cap and helping you to get a weaker draft pick. He is not a piece to build a legit cup contender with. So what do you want? Do you want to just make the playoffs and get better? Or do you want to build a legit cup contender with an open window over a significant period of years? You don't do it by trading for a player like Zegras.
- MJL

What type of contract would you give Frost? As he will need one.

You expect to get a star player out of a 27th-overall pick? That's kinda flies in the face of historical record. To put it into perspective only six 27th-overalls have ever surpassed 300 career points in NHL history.
- Tomahawk

Then why trade a really good NHL forward and take on a bad contract to get Frost?? If the Flyers were looking for just another center, they could have drafted that in the 2nd round. The Flyers quickly moved up to get Frostin the 1st round because once again Hextall thought he was smarter than everyone else and getting a steal. He was wrong.

TK is a legimate all star in this league IMO. Frost was never projected to be a star??

So in your opinion the Flyers traded a legitmate NHL forward in Brayden Schenn, who is now captain of the Blues and a cup winner, and took on the contract of a bad Jori Lehtera to move up to select Frost, and they did this to get a player that they never projected to be a star player???

- jd250

More ignorance. Frost was taken late in the first round. Look up the historical data of players taken in the late first round and what they historically become.

By the way, Jett Luchanko, whom the Flyers took with the 13th overall pick. Is not projected to be a star player.

They can’t force anything. The league gave the Flyers the green light to proceed.

Heard from where or whom?
- furio16

the Athleletic taked about this as well as in pods.

You expect to get a star player out of a 27th-overall pick? That's kinda flies in the face of historical record. To put it into perspective only six 27th-overalls have ever surpassed 300 career points in NHL history.
- Tomahawk

That's a little misleading. The correct viewpoint would be looking at players taken late in the first round and on, to see what the expectations are and the historical results.

Frost is not a player the Flyers should stay away from, but the problem with Frost is he is either a top 6 forward in the NHL or bust. He is not a checker. He is not a great faceoff center. He is not a bruiser. He is a playmaker and a skilled player. The problem is does he have enough skill and drive to be a top 6 C on a legitimate cup contender which is what we want the Flyers to be. IMO the answer is No.
- jd250

You need to move into the realm of the modern day NHL. To be a top team in the league, you need at least 3 scoring lines. Frost also plays a solid all around game. It's top 9 now, not top 6. If Frost doesn't increase his offensive production enough to be a 2C, if he can keep the same level of production as a 3C, he would make a solid NHL 3C.

Then why trade a really good NHL forward and take on a bad contract to get Frost?? If the Flyers were looking for just another center, they could have drafted that in the 2nd round. The Flyers quickly moved up to get Frostin the 1st round because once again Hextall thought he was smarter than everyone else and getting a steal. He was wrong.
- jd250

Frost wasn't even in the picture at the time. They traded for the 2 1st-round picks which was a nice haul for a guy who they gave every chance to succeed but were beginning to feel like would never reach his potential. Could argue that Schenn still never reached his career potential. At one point he was considered a future superstar, best prospect in the world, etc.

Frost has actually been very solid for a 27th-overall pick.

When Hayes was named an all star, he had 35 points in 38 games and was having a career offensive season. Then Tortorella decided to (frank) with him.
- MJL

His brother died! I am sure it did not affect him.

Then why trade a really good NHL forward and take on a bad contract to get Frost?? If the Flyers were looking for just another center, they could have drafted that in the 2nd round. The Flyers quickly moved up to get Frostin the 1st round because once again Hextall thought he was smarter than everyone else and getting a steal. He was wrong.
- jd250

To get two first round picks. The same reason why the Flyers recently took on bad contracts.

You're also again, showing your lack of knowledge of the facts. Hextall was not wrong. He was right. There were really only two forwards taken after Frost in the 2017 NHL draft that have turned out to be better.

What type of contract would you give Frost? As he will need one.
- furio16

Really depends on what he does this year. I do not see the Flyers keeping him past this year honestly.