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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 16 @ 8:25 PM ET
Read between the lines and perhaps you'll figure things out. Or is that too difficult for you if you don't have a stat sheet in front of you?
- Phillywhiteout



You are again making a fool of yourself.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 16 @ 8:28 PM ET
Maybe its just semantics, but I said skillset over skills for a reason. Most people refer to "skilled" players with their offensive instincts and abilities.

Skillset to me is the same for all players: Skating, edges, lateral movement, backwards, acceleration, puck control while skating, etc. Then physical attributes associated with those skillsets. Then conditioning, work ethic, etc. like you mentioned with Crosby and his competitiveness.

There's a lot of fast skaters out there, not many if any can do what McDavid does when he has the puck and speed. Like you said there have been many players with really good skillsets that have not performed to the expectations of others...Daigle had a great skillset.

The biggest thing for me is the Flyers need to try to find players who have some skillsets that are considered higher tier, but they tend to go for the more "balanced" safer bet.

- Glak18


Perhaps it is the rational thing to do in the range where they pick. If there is a high skill player who has dropped to 10 or later in draft, something is likely missing.

The bigger issue of course, is why are you picking in that range, year after year?

Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 16 @ 8:29 PM ET
Your comments are really pathetically stupid. See how what works? LOL You ramble incoherently and think you've proved something? You've already admitted that you've seen little of Luchanko's play. Why does it have to be a comparison between Frost and Luchanko? Why are you so hung up on that?
- MJL
This has to be explained? Well, because I think this team badly needs a second line center (and a first line center for that matter) and I think Luchanko has more of an upside to be the second line center than Frost. Pretty simple really. Thanks again!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 16 @ 8:33 PM ET
This has to be explained? Well, because I think this team badly needs a second line center (and a first line center for that matter) and I think Luchanko has more of an upside to be the second line center than Frost. Pretty simple really. Thanks again!
- Phillywhiteout


It's like one big word salad. You think this team badly needs a second line center and you think that Luchanko has more upside. Therefore Frost is soft, disappears and plays on the perimeter and deserves to be benched? Okay
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 16 @ 8:40 PM ET
It's like one big word salad. You think this team badly needs a second line center and you think that Luchanko has more upside. Therefore Frost is soft, disappears and plays on the perimeter and deserves to be benched? Okay

- MJL
Luchanko is faster and he's gonna be bigger than Frost. He will also play a BIGGER game. He's a gym rat and busts his ass on every shift (from what I have heard). All traits that are needed for a second line center in the NHL. Frost will NEVER be a second line center in the NHL for a true contender cause if he is your second line center you are in trouble. Thanks yet again!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 16 @ 8:45 PM ET
Luchanko is faster and he's gonna be bigger than Frost. He will also play a BIGGER game. He's a gym rat and busts his ass on every shift (from what I have heard). All traits that are needed for a second line center in the NHL. Frost will NEVER be a second line center in the NHL for a true contender cause if he is your second line center you are in trouble. Thanks yet again!
- Phillywhiteout


You're talking out your ass. You've already publicly stated that you've seen little of Luchanko play. You don't know all of that to be true. You're just guessing. As I said to you previously. I hope Luchanko winds up better than Frost. A lot better hopefully.

You can't offer any facts whatsoever to support your opinion of Frost overall.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 16 @ 8:45 PM ET
You're talking out your ass. You've already publicly stated that you've seen little of Luchanko play. You don't know all of that to be true. You're just guessing. As I said to you previously. I hope Luchanko winds up better than Frost. A lot better hopefully.

You can't offer any facts whatsoever to support your opinion of Frost overall.

- MJL
So you think Frost is a second line center from what you have seen from him to date?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 16 @ 8:49 PM ET
So you think Frost is a second line center from what you have seen from him to date?
- Phillywhiteout


I think he can be, yes.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Sep 16 @ 8:56 PM ET
Try to use your brain when you get into discussions with folks. It's just better that way. Thanks! Jett plays a bigger game than Frost and he will be a bigger player when he fills out. Not to mention that he will play a much bigger game than Frost when he is Frost's current age. You see how that works?
- Phillywhiteout

What does “plays a bigger game” mean?

See when people bring up Luchanko’s mature body frame, nobody is comparing Luchanko‘s build to anyone else’s. How Luchanko fills out is irrelevant. The points that is being made is, he’s already physically mature.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Sep 16 @ 8:57 PM ET
Charlie O reported that Phantoms players invited kolosov out to dinner all the time. He also said no and was kind of distant.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Sep 16 @ 8:58 PM ET
This has to be explained? Well, because I think this team badly needs a second line center (and a first line center for that matter) and I think Luchanko has more of an upside to be the second line center than Frost. Pretty simple really. Thanks again!
- Phillywhiteout

And you believe this because of Luchanko‘s current size out of the draft?

Who is the more skilled player, Luchanko or Frost?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 16 @ 9:00 PM ET
What does “plays a bigger game” mean?

See when people bring up Jett’s mature body frame, nobody is comparing Jett’s build to anyone else’s. How Jett fills out is irrelevant. The points that is being made is, he’s already filled out.

- roenick97
I have no idea what to say here. You don't know what plays a bigger game means? What the hell do you mean how Jett fills out is irrelevant? It's totally relevant! The kid just turned 18 and he is gonna fill out as he matures physically. Okay?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 16 @ 9:02 PM ET
I think he can be, yes.
- MJL
that really wasn't the question. I asked if you think he IS a second line center at the NHL level based on what you have seen to date? Can he be? Of course, but I haven't seen it to date.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 16 @ 9:04 PM ET
that really wasn't the question. I asked if you think he IS a second line center at the NHL level based on what you have seen to date? Can he be? Of course, but I haven't seen it to date.
- Phillywhiteout


Frost has shown plenty of signs that he can be an NHL 2nd line center. What you've seen is irrelevant in my opinion.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Sep 16 @ 9:07 PM ET
I have no idea what to say here. You don't know what plays a bigger game means? What the hell do you mean how Jett fills out is irrelevant? It's totally relevant! The kid just turned 18 and he is gonna fill out as he matures physically. Okay?
- Phillywhiteout

But what does any of this have to do with Morgan Frost? There is no size advantage as you suggest.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Sep 16 @ 9:09 PM ET
that really wasn't the question. I asked if you think he IS a second line center at the NHL level based on what you have seen to date? Can he be? Of course, but I haven't seen it to date.
- Phillywhiteout

If you haven’t seen much of Luchanko play, where are you getting this idea that you already believe he could be a second line center? Some are still upset Luchanko was taken so far up in the draft and could have been taken later.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 16 @ 9:14 PM ET
But what does any of this have to do with Morgan Frost? There is no size advantage as you suggest.
- roenick97
Huh? You can't figure out what this has to do with Morgan Frost? Do you actually read my comments? Bottom line, I think Frost's ceiling is third line center on a true contending NHL team. I think Jett could have a higher ceiling based on what I have heard about his game. And yes, when he matures he will be a bigger/ more physical player than Frost.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 16 @ 9:17 PM ET
Huh? You can't figure out what this has to do with Morgan Frost? Do you actually read my comments? Bottom line, I think Frost's ceiling is third line center on a true contending NHL team. I think Jett could have a higher ceiling based on what I have heard about his game. And yes, when he matures he will be a bigger/ more physical player than Frost.
- Phillywhiteout



You're a mess. You talk as if it is a fact that Luchanko will be bigger and more physical. In reality, none of us should read your comments.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 16 @ 9:25 PM ET
You're a mess. You talk as if it is a fact that Luchanko will be bigger and more physical. In reality, none of us should read your comments.
- MJL
It appears that you don't read my comments based on all of your aimless retorts. You don know physics? The kid just turned 18 and he already has an NHL body. It's basically a stone cold lock that he will be a bigger/ more physical player than Frost. He was one of the most fit players in all the fitness tests and he was 17 at the time! And when I say bigger, I mean physically stronger than Frost. I don't know if he will get taller, but he will fill out and be a bigger/stronger player physically. You got that now or do I need to put it on a stat sheet somewhere for you to understand it.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Sep 16 @ 9:31 PM ET
Huh? You can't figure out what this has to do with Morgan Frost? Do you actually read my comments? Bottom line, I think Frost's ceiling is third line center on a true contending NHL team. I think Jett could have a higher ceiling based on what I have heard about his game. And yes, when he matures he will be a bigger/ more physical player than Frost.
- Phillywhiteout

Jesus…
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Sep 16 @ 9:32 PM ET
It appears that you don't read my comments based on all of your aimless retorts. You don know physics? The kid just turned 18 and he already has an NHL body. It's basically a stone cold lock that he will be a bigger/ more physical player than Frost. He was one of the most fit players in all the fitness tests and he was 17 at the time! And when I say bigger, I mean physically stronger than Frost. I don't know if he will get taller, but he will fill out and be a bigger/stronger player physically. You got that now or do I need to put it on a stat sheet somewhere for you to understand it.
- Phillywhiteout


You guys need your own board or take it offline. Stop wasting our time with your spat.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Sep 16 @ 9:34 PM ET
You guys need your own board or take it offline. Stop wasting our time with your spat.
- WhiskeyMan

I’m enjoying it. Even if one side is really putting his foot in his mouth. At least the conversation is about hockey.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 16 @ 9:36 PM ET
Jesus…
- roenick97
Look at my comment above dingbat. The evidence is overwhelming! Plus, it's after 9PM and you can stop being snotty!
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Sep 16 @ 9:37 PM ET
Look at my comment above dingbat. The evidence is overwhelming! Plus, it's after 9PM and you can stop being snotty!

- Phillywhiteout

I’m glad you’re going by what you heard…
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 16 @ 9:37 PM ET
I’m enjoying it. Even if one side is really putting his foot in his mouth. At least the conversation is about hockey.
- roenick97
Will you learn how to read ENGLISH! Please! I swear you miss more points than Queen Elizabeth! No one is putting their foot in their mouth with the exception of those that live in your fantasy world.
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