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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Sep 19 @ 9:23 AM ET
I don't think the Flyers can rely on catching teams off guard this year. I think they take a step back, and maybe a major step back pending their defense and goaltending. I'm picking them to finish last in the Metro and perhaps last in the East. Columbus is going to be dedicating this season to Johnny Hockey and I think that will move them up in the standings, and that's the only team I thought that the Flyers would finish ahead of in the Metro. Of course, I picked them to finish last a year ago too, so I dunno... I'm just hoping for some excitement and growth from the youngsters.
- Phillywhiteout

The Flyers will not finish below Columbus. I also think the Flyers will be better than the Islanders and around the same level as the Penguins and Capitals. They will compete for a playoff spot and this time might make it. I really look for the PP to improve.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Sep 19 @ 9:28 AM ET
I don't think the Flyers can rely on catching teams off guard this year. I think they take a step back, and maybe a major step back pending their defense and goaltending. I'm picking them to finish last in the Metro and perhaps last in the East. Columbus is going to be dedicating this season to Johnny Hockey and I think that will move them up in the standings, and that's the only team I thought that the Flyers would finish ahead of in the Metro. Of course, I picked them to finish last a year ago too, so I dunno... I'm just hoping for some excitement and growth from the youngsters.
- Phillywhiteout


Hopefully there is some growth from the young group. They have a group in the top 9 that can play anywhere from the top line to the 3rd line. Hopefully that competition brings out that increase in performance. I mean guys like Brink, Foerster, Cates and even Tippet are just scratching the surface. Guys like Farabee and Frost need to show a more consistent year…there are nights where you see what they are capable of and then there are nights that it’s crickets….you don’t even know of they played…
On D, another step by York and a healthy Drysdale would really change how some view the Flyers back end. I also hope the Young guys like Andrae and MacDonald are part of this years team at some point. We got a surprise in Zamula last year and in Brink….are there some surprises this year? Let’s hope so.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 19 @ 9:28 AM ET
Coots was on “Snow the Goalie” yesterday and made the point that as the season goes on the games get tougher and tighter. Early on if a team can outwork the other team then they’ve got a great opportunity to win.
- landros 2

Yea, there was no catching teams by surprise. Torts has been around forever, all the coaches and players know what to expect when playing a team coached by him
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Sep 19 @ 9:30 AM ET
The Flyers will not finish below Columbus. I also think the Flyers will be better than the Islanders and around the same level as the Penguins and Capitals. They will compete for a playoff spot and this time might make it. I really look for the PP to improve.
- jd250


It’s not a stretch to think the PP will be better….I don’t think it could be worse.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Sep 19 @ 9:30 AM ET
Coots was on “Snow the Goalie” yesterday and made the point that as the season goes on the games get tougher and tighter. Early on if a team can outwork the other team then they’ve got a great opportunity to win.
- landros 2

dont disagree to an extent. now teams are aware the flyers will come out and give their all. One would think those teams now will be more prepared when they play them early.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Sep 19 @ 9:32 AM ET
The Flyers will not finish below Columbus. I also think the Flyers will be better than the Islanders and around the same level as the Penguins and Capitals. They will compete for a playoff spot and this time might make it. I really look for the PP to improve.
- jd250


I don't think so. I only see these teams as maybe worse then philly.

Columbus
Calgary
Maybe Anaheim
Maybe San Jose


Some of these teams have good young talent. I think Philly will struggle this year. And honestly they need to be picking in the top 5 this year and next. That would allow at least a chance to grab possibly some top end centers(Hagens, McKenna)
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Sep 19 @ 9:32 AM ET
That is why they drafted Luchanko. They recognize they are weak down the middle at every level in the organization and they are trying to address it.
- jd250


That’s a start…I must admit I liked his games last weekend. I look forward to watching some Guelph games this year along with some London games.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Sep 19 @ 9:33 AM ET
The Flyers will not finish below Columbus. I also think the Flyers will be better than the Islanders and around the same level as the Penguins and Capitals. They will compete for a playoff spot and this time might make it. I really look for the PP to improve.
- jd250

what is your definition of compete for a playoff spot? Pens will be better this year.

not that it is any great shakes as more than half the fn team make it.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Sep 19 @ 9:40 AM ET
what is your definition of compete for a playoff spot? Pens will be better this year.

not that it is any great shakes as more than half the fn team make it.

- hello it's me 2050


I do not see them making the playoffs. The defense and goaltending are worse. At least on paper. Michkov improves the forward group. But by how much?

I truly see the season playing out like last year. Only earlier elimination.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 19 @ 9:44 AM ET
Going into camp, here is how I see the state of the team.

POSITIVES
The addition of Michkov
Drysdale being healthy to start the season
Another year of experience for younger players like Foerster and York

NEGATIVES
Torts is gonna be Torts and history shows that the longer he is with a team the more he wears on them
The goaltending is a question mark at best
Rocky still runs the pp
No legit 1C and a major lack of quality depth at the position
No legit 1D and a lot of question marks after Sanheim & York

“Best” case, they finish right around where they were last year or a hair better, 86-91 points, but still miss the playoffs and pick in the 11-15 range

“Worst” case, the goaltending falters, a few key players get injured and the team quits on Torts leading to a 70-75 point finish and a pick, sans lottery luck, in the 4-7 range

My prediction: 80 points, 6th or 7th in the East, 13th or 14th in the conference and a pick in the 7-9 range.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 19 @ 9:50 AM ET
Going into camp, here is how I see the state of the team.

POSITIVES
The addition of Michkov
Drysdale being healthy to start the season
Another year of experience for younger players like Foerster and York

NEGATIVES
Torts is gonna be Torts and history shows that the longer he is with a team the more he wears on them
The goaltending is a question mark at best
Rocky still runs the pp
No legit 1C and a major lack of quality depth at the position
No legit 1D and a lot of question marks after Sanheim & York

“Best” case, they finish right around where they were last year or a hair better, 86-91 points, but still miss the playoffs and pick in the 11-15 range

“Worst” case, the goaltending falters, a few key players get injured and the team quits on Torts leading to a 70-75 point finish and a pick, sans lottery luck, in the 4-7 range

My prediction: 80 points, 6th or 7th in the East, 13th or 14th in the conference and a pick in the 7-9 range.

- BiggE

It’s all very straight forward, you didn’t need to type this out 😂
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Sep 19 @ 9:52 AM ET
Going into camp, here is how I see the state of the team.

POSITIVES
The addition of Michkov
Drysdale being healthy to start the season
Another year of experience for younger players like Foerster and York

NEGATIVES
Torts is gonna be Torts and history shows that the longer he is with a team the more he wears on them
The goaltending is a question mark at best
Rocky still runs the pp
No legit 1C and a major lack of quality depth at the position
No legit 1D and a lot of question marks after Sanheim & York

“Best” case, they finish right around where they were last year or a hair better, 86-91 points, but still miss the playoffs and pick in the 11-15 range

“Worst” case, the goaltending falters, a few key players get injured and the team quits on Torts leading to a 70-75 point finish and a pick, sans lottery luck, in the 4-7 range

My prediction: 80 points, 6th or 7th in the East, 13th or 14th in the conference and a pick in the 7-9 range.

- BiggE

so they say.....
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Sep 19 @ 9:54 AM ET
so they say.....
- hello it's me 2050

I would be surprised if he makes it out of camp healthy, this may end up going down as one of the worst trades in history. Imagine Gauthier wins the Calder haha
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 19 @ 9:54 AM ET
That is why they drafted Luchanko. They recognize they are weak down the middle at every level in the organization and they are trying to address it.
- jd250


They're also weak on defense and in goal.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 19 @ 9:58 AM ET
The Flyers will not finish below Columbus. I also think the Flyers will be better than the Islanders and around the same level as the Penguins and Capitals.
- jd250


The Caps loaded up.


WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Sep 19 @ 10:04 AM ET
The Caps loaded up.
- Feanor


Loaded up with what?
Is PLB the answer to their issues and the perfect replacement for Oshie who is out for the season?

They have good goalies, probably will be better than the Flyers goalies



THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Sep 19 @ 10:09 AM ET
They need to finish bottom 10.
- mickel25

Bottom 3 is where the high-end talents are.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Sep 19 @ 10:19 AM ET
Bottom 3 is where the high-end talents are.
- THE EVIL WITHIN


Sucks that the draft pick they got from Columbus is a second rounder.
The could potentially could have 3 decent second round pics with the Columbus and Ducks picks.
Maybe Db can work some magic and use those picks to trade up.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Sep 19 @ 10:29 AM ET
Bottom 3 is where the high-end talents are.
- THE EVIL WITHIN


Agreed. But I do not see that happening. Maybe they will have some lotto luck.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 19 @ 10:36 AM ET
I don't think the Flyers can rely on catching teams off guard this year. I think they take a step back, and maybe a major step back pending their defense and goaltending. I'm picking them to finish last in the Metro and perhaps last in the East. Columbus is going to be dedicating this season to Johnny Hockey and I think that will move them up in the standings, and that's the only team I thought that the Flyers would finish ahead of in the Metro. Of course, I picked them to finish last a year ago too, so I dunno... I'm just hoping for some excitement and growth from the youngsters.
- Phillywhiteout


That would be good for the Flyers but Columbus is going to be pretty putrid. They'll be in the running for the #1 pick.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Sep 19 @ 10:39 AM ET
That would be good for the Flyers but Columbus is going to be pretty putrid. They'll be in the running for the #1 pick.
- MJL


Wasn't their goalie Elvis trying to get his contract terminated? I thought I read somewhere that he wanted out.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Sep 19 @ 10:42 AM ET
so they say.....
- hello it's me 2050



Remember when they told us Ellis was ramping up for camp?

Good times I tell ya!
26912 PP
Season Ticket Holder
Location: Lucca
Joined: 06.27.2024

Sep 19 @ 10:47 AM ET
2025 (in order of prob finish)
1st: Own.

1st: Acquired from Colorado in 2024 trade of D Sean Walker.

1st: Acquired from Edmonton for 32nd overall pick in 2024 (conditional to 2025 or 2026).

2nd: Conditional pick acquired from Columbus in 2023 trade of Ivan Provorov after they elected to keep their selection in 2024.

2nd: Acquired from Anaheim in 2024 trade of F Cutter Gauthier.

2nd: Own.

Something good has to come out of this in an above avg draft..
26912 PP
Season Ticket Holder
Location: Lucca
Joined: 06.27.2024

Sep 19 @ 10:49 AM ET
what is your definition of compete for a playoff spot? Pens will be better this year.

not that it is any great shakes as more than half the fn team make it.

- hello it's me 2050
why will the pens be better this year? or the isles or buff or detroit or ott or wash. I dont know that I want them to, but they could conceivably finish above all of these bubble teams
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Sep 19 @ 10:55 AM ET
2025 (in order of prob finish)
1st: Own.

1st: Acquired from Colorado in 2024 trade of D Sean Walker.

1st: Acquired from Edmonton for 32nd overall pick in 2024 (conditional to 2025 or 2026).

2nd: Conditional pick acquired from Columbus in 2023 trade of Ivan Provorov after they elected to keep their selection in 2024.

2nd: Acquired from Anaheim in 2024 trade of F Cutter Gauthier.

2nd: Own.

Something good has to come out of this in an above avg draft..

- 26912 PP

I definitely don’t think things are as bad as “fans” make this situation out to be. They’re doing as asked, which is bring in picks. Briere could have brought in more, no question, but here we are. Cutter Gauthier being traded is the only thing that hurts. We’d be an improved team up front with Gauthier and Michkov on the team.
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