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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 3 @ 8:32 AM ET
He's on a record pace for making dumb comments on here.
- Phillywhiteout


Everyday you provide humor. I'm appreciative.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 3 @ 8:41 AM ET
Honestly the NHL season should start at the beginning of September. Playoffs…April to May. Playing hockey even in June doesn’t seem right to me.
- landros 2
Agreed. Why not start in September? I mean, they compete against the NFL from October thru early February anyway, so let's get things started earlier and have hockey done with before the summer months arrive. They should probably start the season when they are now starting the preseason. Have 3 preseason games starting around September 10th and then get the season started around the 20th.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 3 @ 8:42 AM ET
Everyday you provide humor. I'm appreciative.
- MJL

what do you provide cliff? how is dad?
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 3 @ 8:53 AM ET
That's what some of us are wondering. How can you overhype a 6th round pick, yet Jones has done it. The fact that he has, should be frightening to every Flyers fan. The kid is a project that is 50/50 on whether he ever becomes a full time NHL defenseman. You bought into the hype.
- MJL


Jones is the carnival barker, no more, no less. His job is to get you to come to the show and spend your money. As long as he keeps the positive vibes flowing and coffers full, does it really matter to his boss what he was selling? No refunds.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 3 @ 9:00 AM ET
Jones is the carnival barker, no more, no less. His job is to get you to come to the show and spend your money. As long as he keeps the positive vibes flowing and coffers full, does it really matter to his boss what he was selling? No refunds.


- Flyers_01


That's what he is but nobody in the organization realizes it. I'm convinced that they think what they're doing overall is the correct approach. Jones literally believes that a hulking physical defenseman is a key player in this league. It is frightening.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Oct 3 @ 9:03 AM ET
what do you provide cliff? how is dad?
- hello it's me 2050

How are the grandkids, grandpa?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 3 @ 9:22 AM ET
How are the grandkids, grandpa?
- roenick97

wasn't aware I had any grand kids. do you know something I don't lamont?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
Cutter looking good in orange

https://www.nhl.com/gamec...uta/2024/10/02/2024010083
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 3 @ 9:57 AM ET
Agreed. Why not start in September? I mean, they compete against the NFL from October thru early February anyway, so let's get things started earlier and have hockey done with before the summer months arrive. They should probably start the season when they are now starting the preseason. Have 3 preseason games starting around September 10th and then get the season started around the 20th.
- Phillywhiteout


None of the American teams want to have more games competing against college and NFL because they will make less money.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 3 @ 10:04 AM ET
Jonesy did kind of make it sound that this kid was above a lot of other prospects. After watching him I saw a kid that still is a ways away. You are correct D can take some time. Some never really put it all together…ie Ronnie Attard. Colour me unimpressed with MacDonald. He does have the tools and a physical mindset that I don’t see in any other prospect.
- landros 2

Jonesy liked his size, his physical play and tenacity. He looked lost in this camp, but we just have to remember this is his first camp. Bonk didn't look much better to be honest. Defense take a longer time to develop typically, especially if you are a 6th round pick. So far I don't see Hunter as being a top 4 potential, but things could change after a year in the AHL.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 3 @ 10:05 AM ET
Cutter looking good in orange

https://www.nhl.com/gamec...uta/2024/10/02/2024010083

- Feanor

He scored a goal in pre-season, wow!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 3 @ 10:10 AM ET
That's what he is but nobody in the organization realizes it. I'm convinced that they think what they're doing overall is the correct approach. Jones literally believes that a hulking physical defenseman is a key player in this league. It is frightening.
- MJL

You don't win in the playoffs in this league without size and physical players on your backend. This is just a fact. The Flyers lack this. Drysdale, Sanheim, York, Seeler are not big physcial players. Risto is really the Flyers only defenseman that is. Zamula has good size but does not play physical. I'm not saying skating, passing, decision making and offense are not important, but only that you can't win without the physical play and size also.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 3 @ 10:16 AM ET
That's what some of us are wondering. How can you overhype a 6th round pick, yet Jones has done it. The fact that he has, should be frightening to every Flyers fan. The kid is a project that is 50/50 on whether he ever becomes a full time NHL defenseman. You bought into the hype.
- MJL

How did I buy into the hype. I liked Hunter because he played for Northeastern and I got to watch him for two years, when he wasn't hurt. He showed promise as a college player and was a leader on the team. I think he has a chance for sure, 50/50 sounds about right based on what I saw this camp. Has to learn to play faster for sure. I was more bought in on Bonk, but honestly I didn't like the camp he had either.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 3 @ 10:21 AM ET
Just because Farabee isn’t a star, doesn’t mean he’s not a very, very good complimentary player. He produces….he see’s the ice very well. To me he’s a perfect guy to play with a guy like Michkov…a shame they both shoot left. To me Farabee is an above average player in this league. That’s why I think the Flyers will be a bit better then most are predicting…he’s one of about 6 W’s that are not star quality but are above average or heading in that direction.
- landros 2

To me, Farabee is an middle 6 forward, at least that is all I have seen from him so far. Not a great skater, shooter, passer, defender, checker, or physical player. I have been saying this since he entered the league, I need to see more from him before I can agree with you that he is an above average player. The last 22 games of last season Bee got 6 points! Above average players do much better than this.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 3 @ 10:25 AM ET
He scored a goal in pre-season, wow!
- jd250


he has more preseason goals than:

Jett
Ryan
Scottie "The Room" Laughton
Noah
Owen "The 40 Goal Guy" Tippett
Nick "MM's Best Friend" D

and NUMEROUS other flyers
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 3 @ 10:26 AM ET
If looking to see what a player does exceptionally well to judge the player, well then that eliminates pretty much every player on the team. Do you realize that. There is not a single player on the team who does anything exceptionally well. Now that we dealt with that, we can move on to the rest.



You repeatedly make claims like in the above when it comes to players you don't like. Do you have any data or evidence to support your opinion that most of his goals are scored due to the great plays of his linemates?

Are you aware that Farabee led all Flyers in primary assists at 5 on 5. So it seems as though a lot of his linemates benefitted from his playmaking

- MJL

It does not eliminate every player on the team. We can all see what Michkov does exceptionally well. Tippet is an exceptional skater. So is Drysdale. Foerster has an exceptional shot. TK has an exceptional motor. So there are players on the Flyers with exceptional skills. Not a lot of them, but some.

If you review all of Farabee's goals last season, a majority of them were tip-ins and rebounds, not from his shot or skating ability. Granted he was in the right place at the right time so he deserves credit for that, but I just see a player that can be replaced. And this has nothing to do with liking him or not liking him. I would be ecstatic if Farabee proved me wrong this year.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 3 @ 10:28 AM ET
he has more preseason goals than:

Jett
Ryan
Scottie "The Room" Laughton
Noah
Owen "The 40 Goal Guy" Tippett
Nick "MM's Best Friend" D

and NUMEROUS other flyers

- corduroy

Oh boy, you got me there
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 3 @ 10:31 AM ET
You don't win in the playoffs in this league without size and physical players on your backend. This is just a fact. The Flyers lack this. Drysdale, Sanheim, York, Seeler are not big physcial players. Risto is really the Flyers only defenseman that is. Zamula has good size but does not play physical. I'm not saying skating, passing, decision making and offense are not important, but only that you can't win without the physical play and size also.
- jd250


Physical players with size on defense can certainly have a role on a team but they aren't the kind of players that drive a team to win. You certainly have to be able to defend and play in your own end but the most important aspect of playing defense in today's NHL is to quickly end plays with positioning an a good stick, defend plays at the blueline and quickly transition the play the other way and to attack. The best defenseman in the NHL today spend less time playing in their own end and more time playing in the other team's end. That is what the best defenseman in the NHL do for a team. Yourself and the Flyers overvalue physical play and size. You and the Flyers need to move into the modern day NHL.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Oct 3 @ 10:31 AM ET


Jordan Hall
@JHallNBCS
Interesting. Olle Lycksell is not with the big club group today. He’s on opposite ice with smaller group. Jett Luchanko still with big club group. We’ll see what it all means in the big picture.

Will be very very funny if Jett makes the team at the behest of Tortorella. At this point the Flyers should charge a subscription fee for the amount of entertainment they provide on a monthly basis.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 3 @ 10:32 AM ET
How did I buy into the hype. I liked Hunter because he played for Northeastern and I got to watch him for two years, when he wasn't hurt. He showed promise as a college player and was a leader on the team. I think he has a chance for sure, 50/50 sounds about right based on what I saw this camp. Has to learn to play faster for sure. I was more bought in on Bonk, but honestly I didn't like the camp he had either.
- jd250


By parroting Keith Jones. You watching him play is irrelevant.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 3 @ 10:35 AM ET
To me, Farabee is an middle 6 forward, at least that is all I have seen from him so far. Not a great skater, shooter, passer, defender, checker, or physical player. I have been saying this since he entered the league, I need to see more from him before I can agree with you that he is an above average player. The last 22 games of last season Bee got 6 points! Above average players do much better than this.
- jd250


You not only lack hockey knowledge but you also lack common sense. There are how many players that play in the NHL. How many have scored 20 or more goals? Farabee was in the top 6 in the NHL in primary assists among all NHL left wings at 5 on 5. He scored 50 points. By your premise, the average NHL player scores more than 22 goals and more than 50 points if Farabee is not an above average player. You lack simple common sense and you have biases that are not supported by facts.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 3 @ 10:35 AM ET
Jordan Hall
@JHallNBCS
Interesting. Olle Lycksell is not with the big club group today. He’s on opposite ice with smaller group. Jett Luchanko still with big club group. We’ll see what it all means in the big picture.

Will be very very funny if Jett makes the team at the behest of Tortorella. At this point the Flyers should charge a subscription fee for the amount of entertainment they provide on a monthly basis.

- StepfordSam


That’s an interesting development today for sure. I guess we’ll see if Luchanko makes the team.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Oct 3 @ 10:36 AM ET
he has more preseason goals than:

Jett
Ryan
Scottie "The Room" Laughton
Noah
Owen "The 40 Goal Guy" Tippett
Nick "MM's Best Friend" D

and NUMEROUS other flyers

- corduroy


I am using this. Hysterical.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 3 @ 10:39 AM ET
It does not eliminate every player on the team. We can all see what Michkov does exceptionally well. Tippet is an exceptional skater. So is Drysdale. Foerster has an exceptional shot. TK has an exceptional motor. So there are players on the Flyers with exceptional skills. Not a lot of them, but some.


- jd250


Michkov has not played a single regular season NHL game. He has to do it to get credit for it. Ryan Poehling is one of the best skaters in the league. He is not exceptional as a player in any manner. Neither is Tippett. If we want to look at actual facts. Farabee, even with his slump was in the top 6 in the entire NHL in primary assists at 5 on 5 among NHL LW's. Yet he is the player you criticize.



If you review all of Farabee's goals last season, a majority of them were tip-ins and rebounds, not from his shot or skating ability. Granted he was in the right place at the right time so he deserves credit for that, but I just see a player that can be replaced. And this has nothing to do with liking him or not liking him. I would be ecstatic if Farabee proved me wrong this year.

- jd250


Why don't you actually do that and review all of his goals. Actually do the work and find out rather than just throw poop to the wind. I actually did this and I posted to you in the past that you're incorrect. It doesn't matter what the facts are. You just post the same crap over and over.
If Farabee can be replaced, where is that player? Why isn't he here? You have a clear bias as well as a lack of simple common sense.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 3 @ 10:39 AM ET
To me, Farabee is an middle 6 forward, at least that is all I have seen from him so far. Not a great skater, shooter, passer, defender, checker, or physical player. I have been saying this since he entered the league, I need to see more from him before I can agree with you that he is an above average player. The last 22 games of last season Bee got 6 points! Above average players do much better than this.
- jd250

Even good players slump…I think he’s a good skater actually. I think he for the most part plays a 200 ft game. He is never a liability on the ice even when he’s not producing. I think he can be a mid 60 point guy if given some pp time and a decent play making C to play with. To me that’s above average.
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