I knew Panarins contract would come back and bite us in the ass!!

If what is being reported is true!!!
- Brukie

It is true. My friend a PT. Became very close with igor and his wife (both wives are Russian) They golf regularly and play basketball together. Igor supposedly a great athlete. He wants more than Panarin money and highest paid on the team

Igor wants to be paid more than Panarin and the highest on the team.
- nyrangers2

It's totally understandable, BUT he has to decide if that means more to him then being on a team who can be a SC threat for years to come, or be paid 13mill on a middling team in a few years

It's totally understandable, BUT he has to decide if that means more to him then being on a team who can be a SC threat for years to come, or be paid 13mill on a middling team in a few years
- rrentz

Perhaps Nate McKinnon can give Igor a call and advise him how contracts are done if you want to win.

Think you'll get a 90-120 point per season player for less? It's like the retards that complained about Kreider's contract because he was over 30 when he signed it...said it was too much $$$. Think you can get a 40-50 goal scorer for less that $6.5M?
- mames11

You are so full of poop if you thought that Panarin was a 120 point guy guy. At the time of his signing he had the second highest contract in the league behind Mcdavid and was never in the top 5 in scoring. He had never surpassed 90 points for that matter nor ever a 30 goal scorer. So far it has worked out during the regular season, it would be nice if he led the way in the playoffs.

You are so full of poop if you thought that Panarin was a 120 point guy guy. At the time of his signing he had the second highest contract in the league behind Mcdavid and was never in the top 5 in scoring. He had never surpassed 90 points for that matter nor ever a 30 goal scorer. So far it has worked out during the regular season, it would be nice if he led the way in the playoffs.
- Brukie

Uhhh...how does one respond to this

It's totally understandable, BUT he has to decide if that means more to him then being on a team who can be a SC threat for years to come, or be paid 13mill on a middling team in a few years
- rrentz

Lets get the facts set straight here, if it wasnt for Igor and his outstanding goaltending in the playoffs, the Rangers wouldnt have had the deep runs they had. The core of this team disappears when the games get tougher.

This core is going to start losing pieces, Trouba will be gone next season, Panarin the year after and CK20 the following season. If Mika doesnt figure it out, it doesnt bode well for us.

It's totally understandable, BUT he has to decide if that means more to him then being on a team who can be a SC threat for years to come, or be paid 13mill on a middling team in a few years
- rrentz

I would assume he'd rather make $13M/per on a middling team. I know fans want/like to believe that every single professional athlete cares most about winning a championship, but $13M AAV vs. $11M AAV amounts to an extra $16M over the life of the contract. That's a lot of money.

I don't think it comes in quite that high, but I'm going to guess it'll be $12M or so.

Perhaps Nate McKinnon can give Igor a call and advise him how contracts are done if you want to win.
- mames11

Plenty of high end players have put ego aside to help their team stay out of future Cap hell. Again, not his job to do that, but if he wants to be on a "winner", it should be something he considers.

Lets get the facts set straight here, if it wasnt for Igor and his outstanding goaltending in the playoffs, the Rangers wouldnt have had the deep runs they had. The core of this team disappears when the games get tougher.

This core is going to start losing pieces, Trouba will be gone next season, Panarin the year after and CK20 the following season. If Mika doesnt figure it out, it doesnt bode well for us.
- Brukie

We know your points...Zzzzzzzz. Shesty either can or won't do his "part", financially to help NYR..IF he sticks to 13mill..that's his right. As a fan..It is always nice to see a player choose winning over an extra Mill or two. If he gets his full ask...it's not the end of the world either.

I would assume he'd rather make $13M/per on a middling team. I know fans want/like to believe that every single professional athlete cares most about winning a championship, but $13M AAV vs. $11M AAV amounts to an extra $16M over the life of the contract. That's a lot of money.

I don't think it comes in quite that high, but I'm going to guess it'll be $12M or so.
- eichiefs9

Totally get that. Just hoping is all. Won't be booing Shesty either way

Do what he wants but make sure it is deferred etc.

Do what he wants but make sure it is deferred etc.
- JRR1285

Think those days are over!. Thank Lou for that

Think those days are over!. Thank Lou for that
- rrentz

I think you're mixing up deferred compensation and front-loading contracts. Deferred comp is just starting to be utilized now (I believe Seth Jarvis is the first player ever to structure his deal that way).

Lou got dinged for adding years at the end of the Kovalchuk deal at minimal pay to keep the AAV of the contract down. That was not an uncommon practice at the time, I believe VAN got hit with something for doing that with Luongo also.

I think you're mixing up deferred compensation and front-loading contracts. Deferred comp is just starting to be utilized now (I believe Seth Jarvis is the first player ever to structure his deal that way).

Lou got dinged for adding years at the end of the Kovalchuk deal at minimal pay to keep the AAV of the contract down. That was not an uncommon practice at the time, I believe VAN got hit with something for doing that with Luongo also.
- eichiefs9

I understand what deferred is, but how does that circumvent/reduce the AAV?

I understand what deferred is, but how does that circumvent/reduce the AAV?
- rrentz

https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/deferred

It's not as effective as that loophole where a guy gets an extra three years at league minimum to knock down the AAV, but it does do something.

https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/deferred

It's not as effective as that loophole where a guy gets an extra three years at league minimum to knock down the AAV, but it does do something.
- eichiefs9

Thanks

So a few grand -couple 100 grand potentionally saved on AAV

Thanks

So a few grand -couple 100 grand potentionally saved on AAV
- rrentz

Seems to depend on how much is deferred. I'm curious if someone were to structure a contract the way Tavares' is structured (almost all bonus money, very little salary) and a player agreed to defer a lot of the bonuses until after the deal expires...if that would have major savings implications.

I haven't read a ton into it yet since it's all relatively new, so I have no idea if I'm missing the mark there or not

I love and hate AJ Castiglia's videos. Love them for his ability to put these together. They are great. Hate them, because every year it isn't a Stanley Cup recap..

Regarding Shesty. Lets all get used to the name Dylan Garand.
Actually, I believe they will figure out the contract.
I don't believe in the revolving door blaming of one players contract blocking another players. Even if Panarin wasn't on the books, you wouldn't pay Shesty unlimited money, then to turn around and blame is contract for blocking another. That's just broken logic.

Uhhh...how does one respond to this
- mames11

By countering that all contracts for successful players coming out of either an entry level contract or development contract are paid on their progress and potential for future progress. Not just their history. Panarin was paid for his success and his potential to be the top scorer on the team. Which he did become, hence proving it was a good signing.

This is how it has worked, in simple form, for a long time.

Only get it if it's a signing bonus, home games, and any other game played in FL or TX. All other games played in other cities are taxed. Yes, they get a tax break, but not as much as you'd think.

You never hear of this in any other sport...time to let that excuse go.
- mames11

That's more than half the season....

Florida is about to be underwater
- picklerick

That's the best part of Florida

I love and hate AJ Castiglia's videos. Love them for his ability to put these together. They are great. Hate them, because every year it isn't a Stanley Cup recap..

Regarding Shesty. Lets all get used to the name Dylan Garand.
Actually, I believe they will figure out the contract.
I don't believe in the revolving door blaming of one players contract blocking another players. Even if Panarin wasn't on the books, you wouldn't pay Shesty unlimited money, then to turn around and blame is contract for blocking another. That's just broken logic.
- NYRCeph

yeah, blaming Panarin is as dumb as it gets in this particular case

If I'm Drury I wouldn't give him over 11. Let him bet on himself and play this out. He hasn't been a $11M per year top goalie in the league the past two years until after the all star game, so let him prove how much he wants the extra money bags.

Either way we're screwed and it doesn't really matter what happens.

I think it's fair to say that Igor deserves the money, but it's a little disappointing from a fan's perspective that he feels like he needs to be the highest paid goalie and highest paid on the team. I don't blame him at all, but I was hoping for a little discount like the rest of you.

The arguments against him are a little strange though. Goalies typically don't get traded for all that much, so you have to figure our options would be either trade him for way less than he's currently worth to us, or let him walk after the year if we don't sign him.

I've seen a lot of people say that the formula to win is an elite team with average to above average goaltending, but that seems like correlation vs causation. I don't think anyone has looked at the Oilers and said that having the best player in the world hasn't won them a cup so they should trade McDavid or let him walk after this year.

I do think it's fair to say that I'd rather have a $12M first line center and a $6M starting goalie than a $6M first line center and $12M goalie, but if we let Igor walk who is the top line player we are bringing in with that money? Elite players aren't available all that often.

I think it's fair to say that Igor deserves the money, but it's a little disappointing from a fan's perspective that he feels like he needs to be the highest paid goalie and highest paid on the team. I don't blame him at all, but I was hoping for a little discount like the rest of you.

The arguments against him are a little strange though. Goalies typically don't get traded for all that much, so you have to figure our options would be either trade him for way less than he's currently worth to us, or let him walk after the year if we don't sign him.

I've seen a lot of people say that the formula to win is an elite team with average to above average goaltending, but that seems like correlation vs causation. I don't think anyone has looked at the Oilers and said that having the best player in the world hasn't won them a cup so they should trade McDavid or let him walk after this year.

I do think it's fair to say that I'd rather have a $12M first line center and a $6M starting goalie than a $6M first line center and $12M goalie, but if we let Igor walk who is the top line player we are bringing in with that money? Elite players aren't available all that often.
- SkjeiStadium

Skinner had some really bad moments for the Oilers. This past year too. The last couple years he’s definitely been an issue. We need Shesty and he has us by the balls, quite frankly, and we need to suck it up and give him what he wants. The cap lifts upcoming will at least ease it a little bit (his % on the cap I mean)

I’m not as freaked by this as most, but I get it. He’s the key to us winning a cup, he just is and it’s foolish to think otherwise