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Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Oct 8 @ 3:26 PM ET
Hayes is on his 3rd team in 3 years, but yeah it was Torts and his Pettiness.
Tell me again were TDA is playing this season after playing only 31 games for Carolina last season.

So you want them to carry 3 goalies and keep CP up? You have seen how bad he is correct? They would send him to the ECHL if they could.

- WhiskeyMan


I just find it odd that Ghost is putting up decent offensive production, but getting passed around teams like an Attorney General at a Diddy party.
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Oct 8 @ 3:28 PM ET
So Seeler still has numbness in his foot., Nothing like starting the season off on the right foot!
- WhiskeyMan

It is what happens when you employ the very stupid philosophy of standing in front of hard rubber discs, instead of being quick to the puck to suppress the shot......
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 8 @ 3:30 PM ET
It is what happens when you employ the very stupid philosophy of standing in front of hard rubber discs, instead of being quick to the puck to suppress the shot......
- mr4tno

I said it a while ago Seeler will have a bad year. Can see him bought out in 2 years or so.
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Oct 8 @ 3:31 PM ET
madness for sure but it is also could be a win/win, they play well, that will start the season off on a good foot and bond the group. They flop and we have our race for a top 5 pick in full view.
- wcorvette

If they lose then the have the built in excuse of the schedule, which is very important to the idiots running this OR-GAN-I-ZATION
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 8 @ 3:33 PM ET
If they lose then the have the built in excuse of the schedule, which is very important to the idiots running this OR-GAN-I-ZATION
- mr4tno

and if seeler misses games!!!
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 8 @ 3:33 PM ET
Seeler should be the 7th Dman, or yes traded away but I don't think they would have gotten much back in a return.
What was offered for RP and Laughton? I don't think anyone really wanted RP. I do believe DB over valued Laughton and it was a mistake not to move him.

As for Hathaway, no big deal. As we saw in the pre-season, there are no forward prospect outside of Olle that are close to NHL ready.

- WhiskeyMan


so why resign him for 4 more years???!?!?!?!?!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Oct 8 @ 3:33 PM ET
It is what happens when you employ the very stupid philosophy of standing in front of hard rubber discs, instead of being quick to the puck to suppress the shot......
- mr4tno


People act like blocking a shot is only for players that don't matter or suck. Sure, injuries can happen when blocking a hard rubber object, but they can happen even if you're not trying to block it too.

Have you seen the list of players who lead the league in blocked shots last year? It's not a list of complete nothings, the player still have to be in good position and track the puck to do it.

Update:
Now if you're trying to block a shot by going face first towards it than yes that player is a tard no matter what.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 8 @ 3:34 PM ET
function is the key in the waiting room
- hello it's me 2050


Fugazi FTW
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 8 @ 3:35 PM ET
6 picks in the top 50 in the 25 draft. Trading cap space for draft picks. I do agree on Seeler and Laughton, but retaining Hathaway with 39 on this team is an absolute no brainer.
- 26912 PP



They resigned gh BEFORE they knew MM was coming over this season
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Oct 8 @ 3:38 PM ET
Cates is out of the lineup for the first game. He's 25 years old and he's gone from a top minute center to the 13th forward.
- MJL


If Jett wasn't in the starting lineup Cates would be. Hathaway is not taking his spot


Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Oct 8 @ 3:39 PM ET
For now on, I will only judge defensemen based on blocked shots!

Flyers need to draft a player worthy of getting into the 2K club...well since they can't draft players who can get to the 1K point club with the team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 8 @ 3:40 PM ET
If Jett wasn't in the starting lineup Cates would be. Hathaway is not taking his spot
- WhiskeyMan


So it's only Luchanko taking his spot? You do know that Cates can play the wing, right?
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Oct 8 @ 3:40 PM ET
so why resign him for 4 more years???!?!?!?!?!
- corduroy


Don't know. If he were the 7th dman and his contract was cheaper no onw would really complain.

Never said I was happy with him being a starter.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Oct 8 @ 3:48 PM ET
So it's only Luchanko taking his spot? You do know that Cates can play the wing, right?
- MJL


Another reason why Laughton should have been traded.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 8 @ 3:51 PM ET
Another reason why Laughton should have been traded.
- mickel25


I'm really hoping that the plan is just to give Luchanko a few games and then send him back. Although I haven't seen a single legit sources saying that.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 8 @ 4:04 PM ET
Another reason why Laughton should have been traded.
- mickel25


That really isnt. There is no way to predict Luchenko would make the team. They would have had to have moved Laughton before even drafting Laughton. Im not really certain there was a huge market for him. Even know we dont know how long he will be with the team.

I dont really know what is best for him. He could very much excel with the Flyers. We really dont know. Briere has also stated he isnt sure yet either as he hasnt played against full NHL teams yet.

It isnt as if Luchenko will be limited to a defensive role like Couturier was. Couturier played with guys like Rinaldo, Talbot and Read back in a day where the Flyers still treated the 3rd line like the pre lockout days. 3rd line these days are fiilled with skill guys.

The only thing that can hurt his development is having Luchenko on a tight leash. My expectation is that Luchenko likely gets a longer leash, Luchenko has Torts favour right now. Best way to get better as a player is to play against better players. It is one thing if you get dominated and look like you dont belong but if you are able to hold your own and pout up a fight, you will improve against better competition

Whether this is good for Jett is completely up to him.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Oct 8 @ 4:10 PM ET
That really isnt. There is no way to predict Luchenko would make the team. They would have had to have moved Laughton before even drafting Laughton. Im not really certain there was a huge market for him. Even know we dont know how long he will be with the team.

I dont really know what is best for him. He could very much excel with the Flyers. We really dont know. Briere has also stated he isnt sure yet either as he hasnt played against full NHL teams yet.

It isnt as if Luchenko will be limited to a defensive role like Couturier was. Couturier played with guys like Rinaldo, Talbot and Read back in a day where the Flyers still treated the 3rd line like the pre lockout days. 3rd line these days are fiilled with skill guys.

The only thing that can hurt his development is having Luchenko on a tight leash. My expectation is that Luchenko likely gets a longer leash, Luchenko has Torts favour right now. Best way to get better as a player is to play against better players. It is one thing if you get dominated and look like you dont belong but if you are able to hold your own and pout up a fight, you will improve against better competition

Whether this is good for Jett is completely up to him.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


My real point here is that even without Luchanko making the team Cates could play Laughton's role. The Flyers also have plenty of options for 4th line winger. The Room should have been traded.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 8 @ 4:11 PM ET
That really isnt. There is no way to predict Luchenko would make the team. They would have had to have moved Laughton before even drafting Laughton. Im not really certain there was a huge market for him. Even know we dont know how long he will be with the team.

I dont really know what is best for him. He could very much excel with the Flyers. We really dont know. Briere has also stated he isnt sure yet either as he hasnt played against full NHL teams yet.

It isnt as if Luchenko will be limited to a defensive role like Couturier was. Couturier played with guys like Rinaldo, Talbot and Read back in a day where the Flyers still treated the 3rd line like the pre lockout days. 3rd line these days are fiilled with skill guys.

The only thing that can hurt his development is having Luchenko on a tight leash. My expectation is that Luchenko likely gets a longer leash, Luchenko has Torts favour right now. Best way to get better as a player is to play against better players. It is one thing if you get dominated and look like you dont belong but if you are able to hold your own and pout up a fight, you will improve against better competition

Whether this is good for Jett is completely up to him.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Yes it really is. You don't have to predict that a player like Luchanko would make the team to know that Laughton should've been traded. That is shortsighted on your part. As a team that is supposedly rebuilding, you know that you need to add future assets and create roster space for young players. You don't need to have a specific player in waiting to know that.

You're also wrong in saying that the only thing that can hurt Luchanko is having him on a tight leash. That shows a lack of understanding in both what Luchanko has to work on in his game as well as the difficulty that very young players often face when rushed to the NHL and how it impedes their development. The best way for players to get better is often by not playing against better players too soon. That can in fact retard a players development. I can explain this in detail to you, but it would probably be a waste of my time,.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 8 @ 4:14 PM ET
Yes it really is. You don't have to predict that a player like Luchanko would make the team to know that Laughton should've been traded. That is shortsighted on your part. As a team that is supposedly rebuilding, you know that you need to add future assets and create roster space for young players. You don't need to have a specific player in waiting to know that.

You're also wrong in saying that the only thing that can hurt Luchanko is having him on a tight leash. That shows a lack of understanding in both what Luchanko has to work on in his game as well as the difficulty that very young players often face when rushed to the NHL and how it impedes their development. The best way for players to get better is often not by playing against better players too soon. That can in fact retard a players development. I can explain this in detail to you, but it would probably be a waste of my time,.

- MJL

And if anything no Laughton opened that roster spot for Lycksell. They 100% should have traded Laughton regardless of Luchanko. What is Laughton brining that another guy in the bottom 6 can’t?
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Oct 8 @ 4:18 PM ET
I’m playing nhl25 versus as the flyers. I manage an odd man rush that gets blown dead because someone exploded into drysdale. I’m up 2-0 but Drysdale is dead.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Oct 8 @ 4:25 PM ET
I’m playing nhl25 versus as the flyers. I manage an odd man rush that gets blown dead because someone exploded into drysdale. I’m up 2-0 but Drysdale is dead.
- roenick97


That's the kind of "room" the Flyers have. Players giving their life for the good of the team.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Oct 8 @ 4:31 PM ET
You dont think Briere tested the market on TK? Part of the way you determine a players value is at least to dip your toe into the trade pool to gauge league interest. This happens all the time and I'm sure Briere did the same with TK.
- 26912 PP

No I do not think they ever had any intention of trading Travis Konency.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 8 @ 4:31 PM ET
The one thing I didn’t like from a Briere yesterday was his example of St. Louis as a way to build a cup contender, that is a team built with very good players and depth, but no generational players. Is our goal here to get lucky with a hot goalie and fall into a cup but then not really contend after that, or is it to build a team that can legitimately contend for several years, to give the team a higher chance to win a cup, and maybe more? I would think with a developing core of Michkov, Luchanko, York and Drysdale, my hope is the latter. Looking to load up year after year and hope to get lucky is what I thought we were leaving behind?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 8 @ 4:37 PM ET
Cates is out of the lineup for the first game. He's 25 years old and he's gone from a top minute center to the 13th forward.
- MJL

I could be wrong, but when Torts was playing Cates big minutes at center two seasons ago were you not bashing him? Now it seems you complaining that Cates is not in the top 12? Cates has limited offensive ability and is frankly slow, no matter what forward position he plays. Honestly the Flyers can trip over players like Cates if they wanted to. I would rather see Luchanko get a shot. Hathaway is a good bottom 6 forward, I would rather see him over Cates also.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 8 @ 4:41 PM ET
Another reason why Laughton should have been traded.
- mickel25

I think the Flyers will see how Luchanko does and if he can handle himself and actually develop, they might trade Laughton. After all I’m sure Laughton is not going to be happy on the 4th line.
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