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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:11 PM ET
Risto and Johnson as our 3rd pairing? Oh boy......
- Thors-Hammer


I like it a lot better than Rostolainen elevated in the lineup.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 11 @ 12:15 PM ET
Even if he wants to keep Cates at center, he's still better than Poehling.
- MJL


100%

Cates is a legit shut down center. Poehls only plays one on TV.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 11 @ 12:27 PM ET
“LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!

- ggunky”

- Funmaster
HeeroYuy
Location: Ligma, IL
Joined: 04.15.2017

Oct 11 @ 12:41 PM ET
That's because Tortorella is a defensive coach and will always cater to defense. It's just more ineptitude. Similar to his epiphany of pondering over the Summer that the Flyers need to score more dirty goals. It took a coach of his experience level to have to think about it over the Summer. What tools might be at a coaches disposal that would give him that information in real time? Same tools that would tell him that Cates is a better winger than center. The game has passed him by.
- MJL


Preach, king *fire emoji*
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 11 @ 12:43 PM ET
Just funny to me how Torts seems to pick a new golden boy every season and the old ones end up forgotten at the bottom of the heap.

Cates going from can't do anything wrong 1C to completely out of the lineup 24-mos later is wild. And Poehls is back to being a L4'er.

- Tomahawk
Well, things change in life. AmIrite? Still trying to figure out how a horribly run Flyers organization had all that success from 1985-2005!
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 11 @ 12:45 PM ET
That's because Tortorella is a defensive coach and will always cater to defense. It's just more ineptitude. Similar to his epiphany of pondering over the Summer that the Flyers need to score more dirty goals. It took a coach of his experience level to have to think about it over the Summer. What tools might be at a coaches disposal that would give him that information in real time? Same tools that would tell him that Cates is a better winger than center. The game has passed him by.
- MJL
Well, I see you are in midseason form. Torts says Hi!!
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 11 @ 12:46 PM ET
Well, things change in life. AmIrite? Still trying to figure out how a horribly run Flyers organization had all that success from 1985-2005!

- Phillywhiteout


So you admit they have been unsuccessful for the last 20 years.

Q: How successful have they been in the salary cap era?

A: Not very
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Oct 11 @ 12:49 PM ET
I like Michkov with konecny. He’s far better than Tippett. Get him with our very best. To me unless Tippett drastically changes Michkov will waste away on his line he doesn’t see the ice well enough to play with him
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 11 @ 12:50 PM ET
So you admit they have been unsuccessful for the last 20 years.

Q: How successful have they been in the salary cap era?

A: Not very

- corduroy
I can't really argue that the Flyers as an organization have not handled the cap era well. Aside from the 2008 run to the Conference finals and the 2010 run to the Finals, it has not been pretty. No sugarcoating that. The last 12 years have been brutal, but that dude said that they have been inept since the 1970's and that simply is not correct.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 11 @ 12:55 PM ET
... but that dude said that they have been inept since the 1970's and that simply is not correct.
- Phillywhiteout


I said they haven't been ahead of the curve since the 70's.

You chose to interpret that as they've sucked since the 70's.

This has been a team that's split its attention between trying to rekindle the BSB and trying to copy other teams' homework for the past 50-years.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 11 @ 1:02 PM ET
Seeler suffering two injuries since signing his four year extension was very predictable. It's a lot of term for a 30-something #5 dman whose main skill is getting hit by the puck. I wonder if he manages to play more than the 176 games Grossman played on his 4-year contract before he was dumped in Arizona.
- Feanor


Of Seeler's career 595 blocked shots over 430 of them have come as a member of the Flyers. He's done what he needed to do to get paid and now we will see what toll that takes on a 31.5 yr old body.

The contract extension is questionable but the Flyers place to much value on their culture guys.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 11 @ 1:13 PM ET
https://www.statmuse.com/...hl-team-wins-last-4-years
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 11 @ 1:20 PM ET
I said they haven't been ahead of the curve since the 70's.

You chose to interpret that as they've sucked since the 70's.

This has been a team that's split its attention between trying to rekindle the BSB and trying to copy other teams' homework for the past 50-years.

- Tomahawk
And yet they easily could have won 3-5 more Cups since 1975? Hmmm...
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 11 @ 1:24 PM ET
Pretty easy way to accommodate that

Foerster-Couturier-Konecny
Tippett-Frost-Michkov
Farabee-Luchanko-Brink
Laughton-Poehling-Hathaway

- Feanor


Tippett didnt jel well with Mich and Frost in the preseason
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 11 @ 1:24 PM ET
And yet they easily could have won 3-5 more Cups since 1975? Hmmm...
- Phillywhiteout

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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 11 @ 1:24 PM ET
Well, things change in life. AmIrite? Still trying to figure out how a horribly run Flyers organization had all that success from 1985-2005!

- Phillywhiteout


I'm not shocked that this has to be explained to you but who has said that the Flyers organization was horribly run between 1985-2005?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 11 @ 1:26 PM ET
Well, I see you are in midseason form. Torts says Hi!!
- Phillywhiteout


I see that you're in the same form regardless of the season. The form of stupidity
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 11 @ 1:26 PM ET
I like Michkov with konecny. He’s far better than Tippett. Get him with our very best. To me unless Tippett drastically changes Michkov will waste away on his line he doesn’t see the ice well enough to play with him
- Just5

Tippet won’t be the one with the puck. But he’s certainly more of a rush producer than a cycle guy. Michkov works well in zone
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 11 @ 1:29 PM ET
And yet they easily could have won 3-5 more Cups since 1975? Hmmm...
- Phillywhiteout


Hmmm..... where do I find that in the records book. Were there parades for those "easily could've won" Cups?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 11 @ 1:33 PM ET
Hmmm..... where do I find that in the records book. Were there parades for those "easily could've won" Cups?
- MJL




mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Oct 11 @ 1:37 PM ET
And yet they easily could have won 3-5 more Cups since 1975? Hmmm...
- Phillywhiteout


You don't have to be a head of the curve to win cups.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 11 @ 1:43 PM ET
https://x.com/i/web/status/1844783008701665685
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 11 @ 1:53 PM ET
You don't have to be a head of the curve to win cups.
- mickel25


Yup, a garden variety team can go on a heater (like STL did in '19) and win a Cup. Lucky breaks, goaltending, favorable matchups, injuries... everything could break in your favor.

That's not something you can expect to happen and build your team around tho. Which makes Danny recently citing the Blues as a model for their "rebuild" so funny.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:08 PM ET
100%

Cates is a legit shut down center. Poehls only plays one on TV.

- Tomahawk



But hearing he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night so there’s that.
26912 PP
Season Ticket Holder
Location: Lucca
Joined: 06.27.2024

Oct 11 @ 2:14 PM ET
so now everyone loves cates - got it
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