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Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 17 @ 8:59 AM ET
Honestly doesn't seem like Drurys style. He has played everything tight to the chest so to purposely leak this would undermine how he's been GMing
- MeltingPlastic


Not to mention that it's hard to see the news getting out actually helping Drury's position. If Igor's camp is playing hardball about him being the highest paid on the team, I don't see them feeling embarrassed by the public scrutiny and relenting.
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Oct 17 @ 9:55 AM ET
Not to mention that it's hard to see the news getting out actually helping Drury's position. If Igor's camp is playing hardball about him being the highest paid on the team, I don't see them feeling embarrassed by the public scrutiny and relenting.
- Tonybere


We dont know who started the Trouba fiasco but Im thinking this is along the same lines.

I think turning down an offer of 88 mil and saying you want to be the highest paid player on the team is a bit embarrassing.
SkjeiStadium
New York Rangers
Joined: 03.09.2017

Oct 17 @ 10:01 AM ET
We dont know who started the Trouba fiasco but Im thinking this is along the same lines.

I think turning down an offer of 88 mil and saying you want to be the highest paid player on the team is a bit embarrassing.

- Brukie

Why is it embarrassing that the team's best player wants to also be the team's highest paid player? It makes sense to me. If I were Igor I'd want the same thing.
picklerick
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.01.2018

Oct 17 @ 10:11 AM ET
Why is it embarrassing that the team's best player wants to also be the team's highest paid player? It makes sense to me. If I were Igor I'd want the same thing.
- SkjeiStadium


He's going to sign and whether it's for $11m or $12m it won't REALLY matter too much in the end. $1m is not make or break. If a $12m contract becomes burdensome an $11m one would be as well. Obviously the lower the better, but it'll get done and we will move on. Trouba's $8m coming off will make this easier to stomach

Spread that $1m out over Laf, Kakko, Miller, Cuylle's new contracts
mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 17 @ 10:16 AM ET
He's going to sign and whether it's for $11m or $12m it won't REALLY matter too much in the end. $1m is not make or break. If a $12m contract becomes burdensome an $11m one would be as well. Obviously the lower the better, but it'll get done and we will move on. Trouba's $8m coming off will make this easier to stomach

Spread that $1m out over Laf, Kakko, Miller, Cuylle's new contracts

- picklerick


Thing is...He may get less money overall now. I'll fork over $12M or a touch more per, but I am not going over 5 years. I have a tough time paying someone 37 or older that much $$$.
picklerick
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.01.2018

Oct 17 @ 10:18 AM ET
Thing is...He may get less money overall now. I'll fork over $12M or a touch more per, but I am not going over 5 years. I have a tough time paying someone 37 or older that much $$$.
- mames11


Eh, he’s a goalie
mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 17 @ 10:22 AM ET
Eh, he’s a goalie
- picklerick


Exactly. See performance history on Hank at that age.
SkjeiStadium
New York Rangers
Joined: 03.09.2017

Oct 17 @ 10:23 AM ET
He's going to sign and whether it's for $11m or $12m it won't REALLY matter too much in the end. $1m is not make or break. If a $12m contract becomes burdensome an $11m one would be as well. Obviously the lower the better, but it'll get done and we will move on. Trouba's $8m coming off will make this easier to stomach

Spread that $1m out over Laf, Kakko, Miller, Cuylle's new contracts

- picklerick

Agreed. The people that think he's overpaid at $12M will think he's overpaid at $11M also so he might as well go for the extra million.
picklerick
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.01.2018

Oct 17 @ 10:28 AM ET
Exactly. See performance history on Hank at that age.
- mames11


Hard to tell how much of that was him vs the team declining as well. He was still at minimum serviceable. And in 6 years the cap should be much higher
SkjeiStadium
New York Rangers
Joined: 03.09.2017

Oct 17 @ 10:31 AM ET
Thing is...He may get less money overall now. I'll fork over $12M or a touch more per, but I am not going over 5 years. I have a tough time paying someone 37 or older that much $$$.
- mames11

I can't see the Rangers offering $11 x 8, him saying he wants more money and the Rangers chopping 3 years off the offer. He's still gonna get 8 years.

Ideally they structure it where it is not all bonuses and buyout proof. If we can get prime Igor for 5-6 years of the 8 year deal, that's a win. $12M in 5-6 years is going to be a bargain if his game doesn't completely fall off a cliff.

When comparing to Hank, keep in mind that by Hank's 29 y/o season, he had started 406 games. Igor has played 216 NHL games and 25 AHL games.

Igor has way less miles on him.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Oct 17 @ 10:36 AM ET
Thing is...He may get less money overall now. I'll fork over $12M or a touch more per, but I am not going over 5 years. I have a tough time paying someone 37 or older that much $$$.
- mames11

He's got all the leverage, so he's definitely getting 8 years. I don't think that is, or ever was, in question.

Like all 8 year UFA contracts, the hope is that the first 4-6 years of the contract justify the last few.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Oct 17 @ 10:53 AM ET
He's going to sign and whether it's for $11m or $12m it won't REALLY matter too much in the end. $1m is not make or break. If a $12m contract becomes burdensome an $11m one would be as well. Obviously the lower the better, but it'll get done and we will move on. Trouba's $8m coming off will make this easier to stomach

Spread that $1m out over Laf, Kakko, Miller, Cuylle's new contracts

- picklerick

3 years from now 12 million for Igor won’t be as bad since the cap should continue to grow. It may be tight for a year or 2. But he’s worth it
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 17 @ 11:12 AM ET
Exactly. See performance history on Hank at that age.
- mames11


Maybe I am not remembering exactly what it was like. But, a lot of Hank being bought out had to do with us having a KHL all-star waiting in the wings, no? If we didn't have Igor as our next option, would he even have been bought out? Henrik declined, but not so much that he wasn't still a viable NHL starter.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Oct 17 @ 12:33 PM ET
Jake Oettinger getting the 8 year 66 million deal

Every goalie signing but Igor lol
picklerick
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.01.2018

Oct 17 @ 12:38 PM ET
Jake Oettinger getting the 8 year 66 million deal

Every goalie signing but Igor lol

- TPC


Igor is the best goalie in the world and he’s going to get paid like it. If we had the option of having someone like oettinger at that cap hit of course that would be awesome. But we don’t/wont. Its a very expensive Igor or whoever we can sign or trade for
nyrangers2
Joined: 07.09.2009

Oct 17 @ 12:44 PM ET
Igor is the best goalie in the world and he’s going to get paid like it. If we had the option of having someone like oettinger at that cap hit of course that would be awesome. But we don’t/wont. Its a very expensive Igor or whoever we can sign or trade for
- picklerick


Igor is arguably the best goalie in the league. But is he $4m better than all of these goalies? In reality $11m seems fair. Igor really pushing to be overpaid compared to the market when looking at it that way
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Oct 17 @ 12:46 PM ET
Jake Oettinger getting the 8 year 66 million deal

Every goalie signing but Igor lol

- TPC

Everyone is scrambling to get their goalies under contract before Shesterkin bends over every GM in the league when he ends up with a whopper of a contract
t-dawg
New York Rangers
Joined: 06.24.2022

Oct 17 @ 12:51 PM ET
Igor is arguably the best goalie in the league. But is he $4m better than all of these goalies? In reality $11m seems fair. Igor really pushing to be overpaid compared to the market when looking at it that way
- nyrangers2


He's not worth more than 11 imo. Not the way stanley cup winning teams are constructed, at least. And for everyone in the media pointing to 10 million Bob winning it last year, just remember that Stuart Skinner was 1 goal away from winning the cup and that 10 mil goalie suffering the most epic choke job of all time. That said, he will still get paid more than he should get paid, because leverage.
nyrangers2
Joined: 07.09.2009

Oct 17 @ 12:55 PM ET
He's not worth more than 11 imo. Not the way stanley cup winning teams are constructed, at least. And for everyone in the media pointing to 10 million Bob winning it last year, just remember that Stuart Skinner was 1 goal away from winning the cup and that 10 mil goalie suffering the most epic choke job of all time. That said, he will still get paid more than he should get paid, because leverage.
- t-dawg


Thats part of the argument. I know the rangers have to and will pay him, but why does he think he is worth $2-$4m more than the next player? I guess leverage and UFA status.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Oct 17 @ 1:21 PM ET
Agreed. The people that think he's overpaid at $12M will think he's overpaid at $11M also so he might as well go for the extra million.
- SkjeiStadium

I’m at the point where I pay Shesty 15 million if thats what it takes lol they simply won’t go far without him and they are a win now team
NYRCeph
New York Rangers
Location: This is my way.
Joined: 11.25.2020

Oct 17 @ 1:22 PM ET
I am not convinced Igor wants to test the UFA market and not be with the Rangers. If that is true, then Igor is also putting himself at risk every game he is not signed an extension. Injury, poor games/season. Seems like a game of chicken in negotiation a bit here.
Sometimes the hill you are willing to die on, actually becomes the hill you die on. Who breaks?
nyrangers2
Joined: 07.09.2009

Oct 17 @ 2:26 PM ET
I am not convinced Igor wants to test the UFA market and not be with the Rangers. If that is true, then Igor is also putting himself at risk every game he is not signed an extension. Injury, poor games/season. Seems like a game of chicken in negotiation a bit here.
Sometimes the hill you are willing to die on, actually becomes the hill you die on. Who breaks?

- NYRCeph


I can tell you he loves NY and actually looking to move from CT back to NYC. So really not sure any team who would even meet his demands of money is a place he would want to go to.
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Oct 17 @ 2:34 PM ET
Thats part of the argument. I know the rangers have to and will pay him, but why does he think he is worth $2-$4m more than the next player? I guess leverage and UFA status.
- nyrangers2



If Igor signs for 12+, I think it will put a dent in the Cap for us

Laffy will get about 7-8 per and Miller will get at least 6-7.

Hefty
Mtlca66
New York Rangers
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 12.31.2007

Oct 17 @ 2:42 PM ET
I’m at the point where I pay Shesty 15 million if thats what it takes lol they simply won’t go far without him and they are a win now team
- Slimtj100


this tracks with most of the moves you've suggested on here
NYRCeph
New York Rangers
Location: This is my way.
Joined: 11.25.2020

Oct 17 @ 3:02 PM ET
If Igor signs for 12+, I think it will put a dent in the Cap for us

Laffy will get about 7-8 per and Miller will get at least 6-7.

Hefty

- Brukie


I really think this is what we are going to see in price points. Every jump of the CAP, salary years for players will jump with it.
50-60 pt players are making 7-8 million now. A solid scoring 2nd line may cost 20+ million off the cap.
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