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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 19 @ 4:58 PM ET
I agree with the premise here, but only because of the hard cap. The salary cap is a lousy current reality which leads to many players being underpaid and some overpaid. For example, JT is a useful player, but relative to Marner's production, he is overpaid. The ghost of Zack Parise and Ryan Suter will cost the Minnesota Wild over $14M in cap space this season, that's probably the worst overpayment in the league. McDavid, MacKinnon and Matthews in a cap league, will likely always be underpaid. The trick in this false economy is not to have too many overpaid players that produce very little.
- winsix

Until matthews leads the leafs in the playoffs to something beyond 1 win in the 2nd round, he is simply not underpaid
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;)
Joined: 08.30.2006

Oct 19 @ 5:15 PM ET
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winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Oct 19 @ 5:21 PM ET
Until matthews leads the leafs in the playoffs to something beyond 1 win in the 2nd round, he is simply not underpaid
- Fakepartofme


Players and teams don't win in the playoffs until they do. Many of the all time greats in hockey won few cups. Being injury free and luck are two factors. Orr, perhaps the greatest defenseman in NHL history, won two cups.

Matthews has been the best pure goal scorer in the NHL since entering the league. He can stickhandle in a phone booth. He is very good defensively. There are 116 players in the NBA (soft cap) that make more than $14M a year. About 102 current MLB (luxury tax) players make $14M or more a season. Matthews is underpaid.
shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

Oct 19 @ 5:52 PM ET
Bob Stauffer looks like he chases parked cars.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 19 @ 6:03 PM ET
new-tattoo-2
- dmnted

Nice
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 19 @ 6:07 PM ET
I'm not sure. Right now - you have
MacKinnon making $12.6m in the 2nd year of his deal;
Matthews making $13.25m in the 1st year of his deal;
McDavid making $12.5m in the 7th year of his deal;
Draisaitl a year away from making $14m

Those are the only players making more than $12.5m and each of them have won a Hart trophy in the last 5 years. I like Marner but he's never received better than a 4th place vote in Hart voting by contrast. He is presently overpaid which puts him in this conversation, but he shouldn't BE in the conversation for a salary that high.

He's an excellent player - but he should probably have Willy's $11.5m at most (and that would even be high) and Willy should have Marner's present $10.9m at most.

- Monkeypunk


All true unless there is one GM with lots of money who needs a marquee player to generate some buzz and get their team closer to or into playoff spot. My guess is that there are more than one. Paying big for a guy like Marner isn’t necessarily stupid for a team like Utah.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 19 @ 6:07 PM ET
Players and teams don't win in the playoffs until they do. Many of the all time greats in hockey won few cups. Being injury free and luck are two factors. Orr, perhaps the greatest defenseman in NHL history, won two cups.

Matthews has been the best pure goal scorer in the NHL since entering the league. He can stickhandle in a phone booth. He is very good defensively. There are 116 players in the NBA (soft cap) that make more than $14M a year. About 102 current MLB (luxury tax) players make $14M or more a season. Matthews is underpaid.

- winsix

Hes not.
The nhl's economics dont even come close to those other leagues. With an 87million cap, matthews isnt underpaid at all.
Sure he scores alot in the reg season, great. Fun to watch.
Carry the team to the 3rd/4th round a few times.
I agree nhl'ers may be underpaid compared to other sports.....but the other sport simply make so much more money.
And i would also suggest that athletes in other sports may be overpaid.... but if the money is there....then pay them.
DrunkenCanuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Check your PM, AB
Joined: 07.14.2009

Oct 19 @ 6:43 PM ET

Now I’m going to have to watch FFS.

https://x.com/Jay_D_Roseh...tatus/1847761756656926779
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Oct 19 @ 6:43 PM ET
Hes not.
The nhl's economics dont even come close to those other leagues. With an 87million cap, matthews isnt underpaid at all.
Sure he scores alot in the reg season, great. Fun to watch.
Carry the team to the 3rd/4th round a few times.
I agree nhl'ers may be underpaid compared to other sports.....but the other sport simply make so much more money.
And i would also suggest that athletes in other sports may be overpaid.... but if the money is there....then pay them.

- Fakepartofme


We are not talking a few mediocre NBA players or MLB players making more than McDavid! Over a hundred in each league. According to Forbes, the Leafs team is worth about $2.8B. That would put them tied for 8th place with the Atlanta Braves in MLB. George Springer makes almost twice as much as McDavid. (Jays are worth $2.1B)

Meanwhile back at Gary's bullpoop salary cap league Alex Meruelo just pocketed $1B for selling the Coyotes (he paid $425M). He mooched off the NHL and other teams for years and walked away with a super lottery win. And that's why the NHL should have an $87M cap? Frankly, wouldn't that half billion look better in the hands of the players than that slimy douchebag?
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Oct 19 @ 6:44 PM ET
Got a fire going, TV outside, choice selection of sausages and IPAs I'm gonna suckle down... Reavo's gonna fill in Rempestiltskin... pretty pretty good Saturday night on tap, fellas.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 19 @ 6:48 PM ET
We are not talking a few mediocre NBA players or MLB players making more than McDavid! Over a hundred in each league. According to Forbes, the Leafs team is worth about $2.8B. That would put them tied for 8th place with the Atlanta Braves in MLB. George Springer makes almost twice as much as McDavid. (Jays are worth $2.1B)

Meanwhile back at Gary's bullpoop salary cap league Alex Meruelo just pocketed $1B for selling the Coyotes (he paid $425M). He mooched off the NHL and other teams for years and walked away with a super lottery win. And that's why the NHL should have an $87M cap? Frankly, wouldn't that half billion look better in the hands of the players than that slimy douchebag?

- winsix

Maybe they should strike. That’ll learn them greedy owners.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Oct 19 @ 6:59 PM ET
new-tattoo-2
- dmnted

where’s his tally whacker?
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Oct 19 @ 6:59 PM ET
where’s his tally whacker?
- Skalapy


In Zezel's mouth.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;)
Joined: 08.30.2006

Oct 19 @ 7:02 PM ET
Got a fire going, TV outside, choice selection of sausages and IPAs I'm gonna suckle down... Reavo's gonna fill in Rempestiltskin... pretty pretty good Saturday night on tap, fellas.
- gravyface

Zez is wet with anticipation with such a selection to be had
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;)
Joined: 08.30.2006

Oct 19 @ 7:03 PM ET
where’s his tally whacker?
- Skalapy

right shoulder
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Oct 19 @ 7:04 PM ET
Zez is wet with anticipation with such a selection to be had
- dmnted


I mean it's entrapment at this point. I'm basically jail bait.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Oct 19 @ 7:04 PM ET
right shoulder
- dmnted

favorite vh album go!
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 08.30.2006

Oct 19 @ 7:05 PM ET
favorite vh album go!
- Skalapy

5150
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Oct 19 @ 7:06 PM ET
5150
- dmnted

WRONG!

the correct answer is II
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;)
Joined: 08.30.2006

Oct 19 @ 7:08 PM ET
WRONG!

the correct answer is II

- Skalapy


Correction as you are incorrect as they ALL excellent except the one with Sharone as lead signer
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Oct 19 @ 7:09 PM ET
favorite vh album go!
- Skalapy


Tough call. Fair Warning for me, or VHI. 1984 or later, hard pass.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;)
Joined: 08.30.2006

Oct 19 @ 7:12 PM ET
favorite vh album go!
- Skalapy

https://www.metalcastle.n...halen-albums-of-all-time/
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Oct 19 @ 7:13 PM ET
favorite vh album go!
- Skalapy


VH1 is genius on both sides.

1984 is fun.

Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Oct 19 @ 7:19 PM ET
Go Leafs Go
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;)
Joined: 08.30.2006

Oct 19 @ 7:19 PM ET
Reave and Rempe both on the ice ......
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