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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:19 PM ET
They didnt need him for Game 1. They expected Seeler to be ready and if not EJ was available. It was not necessary at the time to bring an extra D. Thats the whole point of carrying 7D. The 7th D is the emergency guy. Would it have been smarter to take an extra D sure but it wasnt a 100% necessity.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Still missing the point. It wasn't an emergency. They knew that Seeler wasn't going to be ready. Andrae should've been on the trip and in the lineup.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 28 @ 12:22 PM ET
It is common sense. EJ is there for emergencies. That is his purpose. The Flyers called up Andrae, he should have played in Game 2 and Torts chose not to. EJ is not the one blocking Andrae. Torts is. The feeling is that part of EJ resigning was that he gets to play enough to hit the 1000 game mark. Its a milestone and one EJ probably wants to hit. It isnt a huge ask something a GM would just say "OK whatever" to. So once he hits the 1000, hopefully thats all it is and Torts will sit him and play young players like he did last season when Attard and Ginning came up and played ahead of Marc Staal.

If EJ isnt here, theres someone else in that 7th D role and if this isnt about the 1000 games that means Torts would be playing that Dman ahead of Andrae as well. Doesnt matter who it is. Fact is the Flyers are not going to have Andrae up with the team to sit in the pressbox for over half a season. The top 6 were already locks. The only spot available was the emergency 7th D position and that isnt a spot for someone like Andrae.

Flyers have to not be dumb and play their young prospect ahead of of the 7th D when they have the chance

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


78% of their games have required an emergency dman?

GTFFO
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 28 @ 12:23 PM ET
The President agrees with and has stated multiple times he wants a big defense.

The problem is the GM acquired a small defenseman with his best trade chip when his best two young defensemen were small. He also signed his top two right wingers to long term contracts when 3 of the teams best young players were right wings in Foerster, Tuomaala and Michkov were right wings.

Seems to me the Flyers have a bigger problem then Tortorella on their hands.

- psuhockey



That shows theres a little disconnect between Coach and GM doesnt it?

I wouldnt look too much into the RW thing. Wingers often get moved to the off wing. Its a bit of an adjustment but players are generally fine moving from right to left or left to right. Tippett and Konecny both look fine on the LW even if they still prefer the right side.

Its a lot easier to play your off wing than it is to move to any other position. Even C to Wing I think is a harder adjustment just because your responsibilities are so much different.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:23 PM ET
It is common sense. EJ is there for emergencies. That is his purpose. The Flyers called up Andrae, he should have played in Game 2 and Torts chose not to. EJ is not the one blocking Andrae. Torts is. The feeling is that part of EJ resigning was that he gets to play enough to hit the 1000 game mark. Its a milestone and one EJ probably wants to hit. It isnt a huge ask something a GM would just say "OK whatever" to. So once he hits the 1000, hopefully thats all it is and Torts will sit him and play young players like he did last season when Attard and Ginning came up and played ahead of Marc Staal.

If EJ isnt here, theres someone else in that 7th D role and if this isnt about the 1000 games that means Torts would be playing that Dman ahead of Andrae as well. Doesnt matter who it is. Fact is the Flyers are not going to have Andrae up with the team to sit in the pressbox for over half a season. The top 6 were already locks. The only spot available was the emergency 7th D position and that isnt a spot for someone like Andrae.

Flyers have to not be dumb and play their young prospect ahead of of the 7th D when they have the chance

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Erik Johnson is and has been blocking younger players from playing. I said that when they re-signed him that it would happen. That Tortorella would choose to play him over younger players. This 1000 game situation, is your invention. Just like Luchanko not playing both games in a back to back scenario. Wasn't the case.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 28 @ 12:26 PM ET
78% of their games have required an emergency dman?

GTFFO

- corduroy


Reread my comment. I have argued exactly what you have stated. EJ is there for emergencies however Andrae should have played ahead of him in all games outside of Game 1.

EJ is the 7th D. My point has never been that he should be playing. My argument is he isnt blocking Andrae because EJ should not be playing. There is no reason to play EJ. Just like there was no reason to play Marc Staal. Attard and Ginning played while Staal was the 7th D.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 28 @ 12:29 PM ET
Erik Johnson is and has been blocking younger players from playing. I said that when they re-signed him that it would happen. That Tortorella would choose to play him over younger players. This 1000 game situation, is your invention. Just like Luchanko not playing both games in a back to back scenario. Wasn't the case.
- MJL


He isnt. If Torts has Belpedio called up over Andrae is Belpiedio blocking Andrae? If yes than having any other Dmen in the AHL is equivalent to blocking Andrae because any of them could get the call over Andrae.

EJ does not need to be in the lineup. He isnt guaranteed a spot in the lineup like the other 6 guys. Theres nothing stopping the Flyers from playing Andrae outside of Torts doing Torts things.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 28 @ 12:29 PM ET
Reread my comment. I have argued exactly what you have stated. EJ is there for emergencies however Andrae should have played ahead of him in all games outside of Game 1.

EJ is the 7th D. My point has never been that he should be playing. My argument is he isnt blocking Andrae because EJ should not be playing. There is no reason to play EJ. Just like there was no reason to play Marc Staal. Attard and Ginning played while Staal was the 7th D.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


My bad

The ej is an emergency dman is the company line - yet they always do the exact opposite of what they say -- torts can not help himself - he will always choose a vet over a kid -
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:29 PM ET
Reread my comment. I have argued exactly what you have stated. EJ is there for emergencies however Andrae should have played ahead of him in all games outside of Game 1.

EJ is the 7th D. My point has never been that he should be playing. My argument is he isnt blocking Andrae because EJ should not be playing. There is no reason to play EJ. Just like there was no reason to play Marc Staal. Attard and Ginning played while Staal was the 7th D.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Honestly, why can't you figure this out. You keep saying Johnson is not blocking anyone because of what SHOULD be happening. Rather than if he actually is and has been blocking a younger player. Marc Staal played 35 games for the Flyers last season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:31 PM ET
My bad

The ej is an emergency dman is the company line - yet they always do the exact opposite of what they say -- torts can not help himself - he will always choose a vet over a kid -

- corduroy


Your focus is in the wrong place. Concentrate on what should be happening versus what actually is happening.
BenderRodriguez
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Norristown, PA
Joined: 01.19.2011

Oct 28 @ 12:31 PM ET
He still was willing to though with one of the toughest dudes in the league. He did not want to for sure.

I was stunned that the refs got that sequence right.

- mickel25


It was obvious to me he didn't feel there was any need to fight him, hence his reluctance. There was no dirty play, just intended to put his body between the other player and the puck.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 28 @ 12:36 PM ET
How the hell is this guy employed in 2024
- ClaudeFather


He's the only "name" coach who would answer the phone when he saw the Flyers name on the caller ID and only then because nobody had called him in over a year.

He was probably yelling at kids to get off his lawn while taking the call.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:46 PM ET
He isnt. If Torts has Belpedio called up over Andrae is Belpiedio blocking Andrae? If yes than having any other Dmen in the AHL is equivalent to blocking Andrae because any of them could get the call over Andrae.

EJ does not need to be in the lineup. He isnt guaranteed a spot in the lineup like the other 6 guys. Theres nothing stopping the Flyers from playing Andrae outside of Torts doing Torts things.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Yes, any scenario that has a veteran defenseman who is not a full time player and is the 7th defenseman playing over a younger players that could have a future on a team that should be rebuilding. Is blocking a younger player. Doesn't matter what the name is. Your comments are illogical. Focused on what could be rather than what is actually happening and what was easily predictable.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 28 @ 1:30 PM ET
He's the only "name" coach who would answer the phone when he saw the Flyers name on the caller ID and only then because nobody had called him in over a year.

He was probably yelling at kids to get off his lawn while taking the call.

- Flyers_01


and then you have the marketing department marketing Torts b/c the players stink. LOL, so funny yet sad.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 28 @ 1:42 PM ET
and then you have the marketing department marketing Torts b/c the players stink. LOL, so funny yet sad.
- Flyfly

The Flyers have become a second rate franchise that wants to pretend otherwise by putting a past his expiration date name on the marquee that their aging customers remember from their youth. They aren't looked at as a coveted destination for players or coaches, except on the retirement circuit.

Desperate for attention and relevance.

Staal played his final season
EJ is playing his final season
ND is most likely playing his final 2 seasons
Torts is on his final contract
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 28 @ 1:46 PM ET
https://onpattison.com/ne...-Interpreter-on-Retainer/

gold standard
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 28 @ 1:55 PM ET
https://onpattison.com/news/2024/oct/28/The-Flyers-are-Doing-their-Own-Players-an-Injustice-by-not-having-a-Russian-Language-Interpreter-on-Retainer/

gold standard

- hello it's me 2050


After all the offseason talk about providing all the support for Kolosov that he could want after he felt "alone" last year in part because the Phantoms had nobody who could speak Russian and because they were the Gold Standard.

The Flyers are like that Chicago Bears player who was to busy trolling the WAS fans to remember to do his actual job last night. Yet another unforced error in a visible spot that makes them look like idiots.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 28 @ 2:01 PM ET
On other thing to consider if Andrae plays when York returns, then the Flyers have Drysdale, York, Seeler and Andrae, all on the smallish side. Only Risto and Sanheim have size and only Risto uses his size. That is a huge disadvantage IMO. This is an example of how this roster is just not right and Briere has got to make big changes this season and next off season.
- jd250
Hunter MacDonald!!!
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 28 @ 2:02 PM ET
https://onpattison.com/news/2024/oct/28/The-Flyers-are-Doing-their-Own-Players-an-Injustice-by-not-having-a-Russian-Language-Interpreter-on-Retainer/

gold standard

- hello it's me 2050


Think its blown out of proportion. Im pretty sure the Flyers are paying to have him learn english. I think he understands english, just not speak it well at this point.

I can see the benefit of having one but with Zamula, and Fedotov on the team they dont exactly need to pay a guy to translate. Not exactly something you need a highly educated person for. Just anyone who can speak both lanuages.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 28 @ 2:05 PM ET
Think its blown out of proportion. Im pretty sure the Flyers are paying to have him learn english. I think he understands english, just not speak it well at this point.

I can see the benefit of having one but with Zamula, and Fedotov on the team they dont exactly need to pay a guy to translate. Not exactly something you need a highly educated person for. Just anyone who can speak both lanuages.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

A low bar they failed to clear.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 28 @ 2:07 PM ET
::facepalm:: After all the offseason talk about providing all the support for Kolosov that he could want after he felt "alone" last year in part because the Phantoms had nobody who could speak Russian and because they were the Gold Standard.

The Flyers are like that Chicago Bears player who was to busy trolling the WAS fans to remember to do his actual job last night. Yet another unforced error in a visible spot that makes them look like idiots.

- Flyers_01


That another issue that was blown out of proportion. People act like hes a child. He had a hotel room attached to the stadium. Players made every effort to hang out with him. You cant just add a Russian AHL player mid season. I dont even know if there are any Russians in the AHL. Any Russian not in the NHL would prefer to play in the KHL

Kolosov wasnt even there long. It was a few weeks. people go on vacation to countries that dont speak english and they survive. It is all negative nancies looking for reasons to be negative. Zamula came over toi North America with much less than what Kolosov was provided. Never mind the mountains moved for Michkov.
dramado
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Paradise, NF
Joined: 03.16.2018

Oct 28 @ 2:09 PM ET
After all the offseason talk about providing all the support for Kolosov that he could want after he felt "alone" last year in part because the Phantoms had nobody who could speak Russian and because they were the Gold Standard.

The Flyers are like that Chicago Bears player who was to busy trolling the WAS fans to remember to do his actual job last night. Yet another unforced error in a visible spot that makes them look like idiots.

- Flyers_01


Does every team provide translators for foreign born players? Not saying it would be a bad idea, but there's too much pearl-grasping in this article.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Oct 28 @ 2:15 PM ET
Think its blown out of proportion. Im pretty sure the Flyers are paying to have him learn english. I think he understands english, just not speak it well at this point.

I can see the benefit of having one but with Zamula, and Fedotov on the team they dont exactly need to pay a guy to translate. Not exactly something you need a highly educated person for. Just anyone who can speak both lanuages.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

What? They are full time athletes. The Flyers should cheap out on getting a translator because they already have Russian speaking players? That's like saying the Phillies don't need to hire a Spanish to English interpreter because they have plenty of players that can speak Spanish. WTF is that logic? I'd argue they Flyers should pay for one now considering the amount of Russian or Belarussian players on the team and in the system. They're owned by Comcast; they should have plenty of money for this.

Also, love your dumbing down of the interpreter position. 'No need for highly educated people'. Absolutely laughable. You do realize those people have to interpret on the spot? And that Russian words might not have an exact English equivalent? Holy poop.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 28 @ 2:22 PM ET
What? They are full time athletes. The Flyers should cheap out on getting a translator because they already have Russian speaking players? That's like saying the Phillies don't need to hire a Spanish to English interpreter because they have plenty of players that can speak Spanish. WTF is that logic? I'd argue they Flyers should pay for one now considering the amount of Russian or Belarussian players on the team and in the system. They're owned by Comcast; they should have plenty of money for this.

Also, love your dumbing down of the interpreter position. 'No need for highly educated people'. Absolutely laughable. You do realize those people have to interpret on the spot? And that Russian words might not have an exact English equivalent? Holy poop.

- TobyFlenderson





hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 28 @ 2:23 PM ET
A low bar they failed to clear.
- Flyers_01

the defending of this organization is pure entertainment.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 28 @ 2:38 PM ET
Does every team provide translators for foreign born players? Not saying it would be a bad idea, but there's too much pearl-grasping in this article.
- dramado

It's not the end of the world but not all franchises declare themselves the gold standard and that they will go to the ends of the earth for their players. It puts extra focus on the way they do things.

If they can't get the easy things correct, providing a translator for the first Belarusian NHL goaltender in his first game to talk to the media, why do you think they will get the bigger things correct?
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