How long until Sanheim’s legs fall off as he is being rode into the ground ala Couturier last year.
- StepfordSam

Not the same situation. Sanheim didnt just have major back surgery and miss pretty much 2 years of hockey. Sanheim will be fine. If there is a dip it will be nowhere near as bad as Couturiers. Sanheim also played a lot last season as well. Sanheim is currently 2 mins above his AVG TOI last season. I would expect that to drop back to 23 mins once the team gets healthy on the back end.

What a bunch of BS. Risto will be traded this deadline. Seeler's contract is trivial and he is fine as a 3rd pairing defenseman that can provide veteran leadership and example.

Hathaway is a fine bottom 6 forward and if the Flyers wanted to trade him they could in a heartbeat. His contract will not be a hinderance. I am fine with Hathaway on this team.

Walker was playing well and any team would have liked to keep him. The Flyers could have traded other players if they wanted and kept Walker, but they wanted a 1st round pick and got it.

Sanheim was getting traded because he was playing like dog poop. He couldn't defend, couldn't finish offensively. All he could do was skate and little else. I'm glad they couldn't get the trade done for obvious reasons. Clearly Torts and Shaw have developed Sanheim properly and deserve a lot of credit.

The past is the past. Let's judge Briere and Jones based on what they do, not what Fletcher, Hextall or Homer did.
- jd250

You do not sign a 31 year old 3rd pair defenseman to a 4 year contract with NTC for 2 years at 2.7 per year. That is bad business.

You do not extend a 33 year old to be Hathaway for 2 more years when he has a year to go. That is bad business.

What other defenseman could they have traded to keep Walker? They traded him because they couldn't agree to terms on a new deal. Trading him was smart business. Looking to re-sign him was bad business.

You want credit the coaches for developing Sanheim. Yet you don't want blame the coaches for not developing Frost. Is it more on the player or the coaches? Cant have it both ways.

Lets judge Briere and Jones on what they do. They have not done much at all if your being honest.

I find this absolutely hilarious coming from a guy that has been saying this since 1967!! Still have great memories of that night back in May of 2004 when JR put your team to sleep in game 6 of overtime in front of the most obnoxious fanbase in the NHL. The funniest thing is that your clowns have won ONE playoff series since that night! Eh what? I won't even get into your moderator skills on here (guess you never managed in the real world).
- Phillywhiteout

candidly, if Andrae comes back and plays well, shows more potential and someone offered a homerun package for York, I would listen really hard. They have to get a young center or position to get one, if that is York, so be it.
- wcorvette

I agree, depends on the offer. Very small sample but Andrae in that time has shown to be an upgrade over both Seeler and Ristolainen overall. Can't quite pencil him in yet but he made a bigger impact on the game than both. Hopefully it's not just a flash.

It's amazing how far Sanheim has come. He is night and day from the player he was just 2 years ago.
- jd250

Not really. He has been a pretty good player for a number of seasons, you just haven't seen it.

Not really. He has been a pretty good player for a number of seasons, you just haven't seen it.
- MJL

pretty good yes. he is playing at a level that is much more than pretty good don't you think?

Yeah it’s a short leash coupled with a lack of playing time as handed out by a coach who just doesn’t seem to know how to get the most out of young players.
- mikeyo27

I'm really surprised folks are still blaming Torts for Frost's issues. Did you watch him play this year before Torts had finally seen enough. He is a non competitive player that doesn't engage and go to the dirty areas enough. He's been given plenty of chances. I do agree though that he should be playing cause it's not like any of their other centers are lighting it up.

What a bunch of BS. Risto will be traded this deadline. Seeler's contract is trivial and he is fine as a 3rd pairing defenseman that can provide veteran leadership and example.


- jd250

Possibly but unlikely. Flyers would have to eat 50% of his deal or take on an equally bad contract to move him at the deadline.

Hathaway is a fine bottom 6 forward and if the Flyers wanted to trade him they could in a heartbeat. His contract will not be a hinderance. I am fine with Hathaway on this team.


- jd250

The point is that Hathaway should've never been re-signed and he should've been traded at the deadline last season.

Walker was playing well and any team would have liked to keep him. The Flyers could have traded other players if they wanted and kept Walker, but they wanted a 1st round pick and got it.



- jd250

The point is that they didn't really want to trade him and tried to re-sign him. Only when not being able to come to a deal, did they move to trade him. He wasn't traded because they decided to rebuild.

Sanheim was getting traded because he was playing like dog poop. He couldn't defend, couldn't finish offensively. All he could do was skate and little else. I'm glad they couldn't get the trade done for obvious reasons. Clearly Torts and Shaw have developed Sanheim properly and deserve a lot of credit.


- jd250

Much of that is inaccurate. Sanheim was not playing poorly. He was a solid player. The Flyers tried to trade him because Tortorella wanted him out. Now Tortorella is playing him into the ground and touting him as a player. Goes to Tortorella's judgement. It's poor and it always has been. The credit goes to Sanheim for contining to grow as a player and for Krug for refusing the trade.

The past is the past. Let's judge Briere and Jones based on what they do, not what Fletcher, Hextall or Homer did.
- jd250

Much of the above is evidence for how I know in a previous discussion earlier today. All poor judgement by the Flyers. All of it is what Briere and Jones have done.

pretty good yes. he is playing at a level that is much more than pretty good don't you think?
- login

I think he played close to this level the first half of last year. The concern is that he became worn down and fell apart later in the season, and base don the minutes that he is getting right now I wonder if that is destined to happen again.

Frost is fragile mentally. He loses his confidence too often and too easily. When he is playing confidently Frost is a good player, though I would still like him to shoot more. He is unfortunately up and down like a toilet seat mentally, and that is why ultimately the Flyers need to move him. He may put it all together for anothe team but I for one am tired of waiting.
- jd250

Frost is not fragile mentally. A player doesn't over come to be a solid NHL player with what he has had to deal with if he is fragile mentally. I'm tired of the coach not playing him.

I think he played close to this level the first half of last year. The concern is that he became worn down and fell apart later in the season, and base don the minutes that he is getting right now I wonder if that is destined to happen again.
- Phillywhiteout

Hopefully when York is back and putting up his 22 minutes it will lessen some of the burden on Sanheim.

Not really. He has been a pretty good player for a number of seasons, you just haven't seen it.
- MJL

OH STOP IT already! If he keeps this level up, he is true 1D and that is amazing and sorely needed. Two years ago, Sanheim was a boy who could skate but do little else.

Frost is not fragile mentally. A player doesn't over come to be a solid NHL player with what he has had to deal with if he is fragile mentally. I'm tired of the coach not playing him.
- MJL

He needs to be traded, plain and simple. I would love the Flyers to get Jiracek from Columbus. A 2025 2nd round pick, Frost and another prospect should get it done. I think Frost would be perfect in Columbus.

I'm really surprised folks are still blaming Torts for Frost's issues. Did you watch him play this year before Torts had finally seen enough. He is a non competitive player that doesn't engage and go to the dirty areas enough. He's been given plenty of chances. I do agree though that he should be playing cause it's not like any of their other centers are lighting it up.
- Phillywhiteout

With the Flyers have for centers, the last thing they would want to do is bench Frost. This is completely on Frost. This should have been his year!

Torts. he ruined frost as a player and as a person. i heard he ties his skate laces together when frost isn't looking just to make him look silly.
- black_francis

Hopefully when York is back and putting up his 22 minutes it will lessen some of the burden on Sanheim.
- MBFlyerfan

If York ever makes it back. I mean, what's going on with that guy? He has been skating for a good while and a game time decision for several games now, and yet, no sign of him actually dressing for a game. Reason for concern?

He needs to be traded, plain and simple. I would love the Flyers to get Jiracek from Columbus. A 2025 2nd round pick, Frost and another prospect should get it done. I think Frost would be perfect in Columbus.
- jd250

Do you not think other teams can beat that offer?

Ovi out 4-6 weeks with fractured fibula. Kind of sucks. I was hoping that he would break Wayno's record this year, but guess that ain't happening now.

Do you not think other teams can beat that offer?
- furio16

Possibly, but the Flyers can also up this offer if needed.

Possibly, but the Flyers can also up this offer if needed.
- jd250

If they want a roster player going to be more than Frost. If Picks minimum Oilers or Avs.

OH STOP IT already! If he keeps this level up, he is true 1D and that is amazing and sorely needed. Two years ago, Sanheim was a boy who could skate but do little else.
- jd250

Sanheim is playing well but he is not playing at a 1D level. Your last comment is inaccurate hyperbole.

He needs to be traded, plain and simple. I would love the Flyers to get Jiracek from Columbus. A 2025 2nd round pick, Frost and another prospect should get it done. I think Frost would be perfect in Columbus.
- jd250

I agree, I think he does need to be traded because the coach is a jackass. Columbus is not giving up Jiracek for that. He is 20 years old. How many times have you posted that defenseman take time to develop?

With the Flyers have for centers, the last thing they would want to do is bench Frost. This is completely on Frost. This should have been his year!
- jd250

I think it is on Frost for the slow start to the season but it is on the coach for benching him and literally doing nothing to help him improve and bypassing opportunities that could help him.

I think it is on Frost for the slow start to the season but it is on the coach for benching him and literally doing nothing to help him improve and bypassing opportunities that could help him.
- MJL

Who has his linemates been the majority of the time? Seems he has played with good players a lot of time. So he has given him players to work with. Frost just hasn’t produced just like Couturier.

Which no one talks about at all. He has been given a total pass.

Sanheim is playing well but he is not playing at a 1D level. Your last comment is inaccurate hyperbole.
- MJL

Gonna have to disagree here. Sanheim is indeed playing like a #1 defender. He is playing nearly 30 minutes a night on a battered defense and he is under consideration to be one of the defenders to play for Team Canada in the 4 Nation tourney. That doesn't mean that I think he IS a #1 defender cause he has to be consistent with it, but lately he has been playing to that level IMO.