What does that have to do with my post? He was/is a talented player.
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It has everything to do with it. I say he wouldn't be as productive playing with this roster as he is playing with Carolina's roster. And therefore, signing another wing to that contract wouldn't have been the right time to do so by the Flyers.

It has everything to do with it. I say he wouldn't be as productive playing with this roster as he is playing with Carolina's roster. And therefore, signing another wing to that contract wouldn't have been the right time to do so by the Flyers.
- MBFlyerfan

he would still be productive here imo. You have him you then move out other pieces to address other needs. They may also try him as a center.

Now that requires thought and actually doing actual moves. Something the Flyers GM seems adverse to do.

The Flyers NEED to be angling for a top 5 pick in 2025 and 2026. ALso they need to get Frost in the lineup. Either play him or move him. Sitting is doing nothing for him or for the Flyers. Should be looking to move Laughton out. Risto actually might have some value but will need to retain money. You just signed him but you might need to see if it is better to cut bait with Tippett. Farabee, while i do like him, could be used in a hockey trade.

I would look at players maybe needing a change who are still young to build with.

Jiricek in CLB
Wright in SEA

Also teams that might want to make a shake up(BOS).

Nothing should be off the table and all eyes should really be towards the 2026-2027 season.

It has everything to do with it. I say he wouldn't be as productive playing with this roster as he is playing with Carolina's roster. And therefore, signing another wing to that contract wouldn't have been the right time to do so by the Flyers.
- MBFlyerfan

Don't need more wings that's for sure. Get some talented centers in here and let's see what the wingers can do.

actually brilliant, play poopty centers, it creates an excuse when you move your wingers, the upside if they actually had a center.

Don't need more wings that's for sure. Get some talented centers in here and let's see what the wingers can do.
- mickel25

I wouldn't say it that way. They do need better center play and a top center helps but they also need higher talent.

Kucherov
Pasta
Panarin
P. Kane in his prime
Draisatl plays a lot on the wing

Those guys do a lot off the wing and create a lot of offense.

They just need higher talent all over.

Watching the Canes last night, I saw an overwhelming level of grit. I also saw plenty of star power.
- MJL

Then why do they keep failing in the playoffs?

Do the Flyers take any blame for Frost not developing? Danny has had 2 offseason to address the center spot. He hasn't. He also takes some blame.
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I'm sorry, but in this case the player has to take a good part of the blame. Frost is in dire straits as far as his career is concerned. Does he want to play in the NHL? How do you light a fire under guys without that competitive desire? Have the Flyers handled him perfectly? Hell no, but I'm tired of the excuses being made for this guy.

I wouldn't say it that way. They do need better center play and a top center helps but they also need higher talent.

Kucherov
Pasta
Panarin
P. Kane in his prime
Draisatl plays a lot on the wing

Those guys do a lot off the wing and create a lot of offense.

They just need higher talent all over.
- J35Bacher

I agree. Michkov I believe can be on par with those players some day. TK is a top line player now. The rest of the wings I think are capable of more. Maybe I am wrong there.

I meant that they have a good amount of talent on the wing and basically nothing at center. To be a SC team you need talent everywhere. Lack of talent at center you have zero chance at winning.

The Flyers are doing an accidental tank as they are currently tied for the least amount of regulation wins the NHL. As stated Briere won’t actually do anything so a full rebuild might happen through incompetence.
- psuhockey

This is accurate. The team is getting outshot on a consistent basis. Leading the league in blocked shots is not a good thing. The whole "culture" thing is a farce. Laughton is the face of "culture". His value is measured far beyond on ice. The issue is Scott Laughton as a 2nd or 3rd line center is not going to help a team make the playoffs. No offense to Laughton he just is not good enough, which we can confidently say well over half of the current roster is the same. However, the "culture" is really good. The Flyers have mediocre talent and the evolution of Michkov will not be enough to elevate this franchise to Cup contender.

This is accurate. The team is getting outshot on a consistent basis. Leading the league in blocked shots is not a good thing. The whole "culture" thing is a farce. Laughton is the face of "culture". His value is measured far beyond on ice. The issue is Scott Laughton as a 2nd or 3rd line center is not going to help a team make the playoffs. No offense to Laughton he just is not good enough, which we can confidently say well over half of the current roster is the same. However, the "culture" is really good. The Flyers have mediocre talent and the evolution of Michkov will not be enough to elevate this franchise to Cup contender.
- Trox88

Michkov is 19. There will be lots of new players brought here before he hits his prime. Now will they be the right players to suit his skill set? Who knows.

Michkov is 19. There will be lots of new players brought here before he hits his prime. Now will they be the right players to suit his skill set? Who knows.
- Phillywhiteout

The minute he was drafted they should have went into a full fledge rebuild.

They will get zero value out of MM and his ELC.

The minute he was drafted they should have went into a full fledge rebuild.

They will get zero value out of MM and his ELC.
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That may be easier said than done. Do you really want to bring a player of his ilk over and have a team that gets curb stomped every night? He may want out! You don't want the kid to get sour on the organization.

That may be easier said than done. Do you really want to bring a player of his ilk over and have a team that gets curb stomped every night? He may want out! You don't want the kid to get sour on the organization.
- Phillywhiteout

losing is losing. period. He may want out anyway.

don't see any bright future with this current roster or what is in the system. A continuing of them spinning their wheels.

Michkov is 19. There will be lots of new players brought here before he hits his prime. Now will they be the right players to suit his skill set? Who knows.
- Phillywhiteout

I would hope so, but Briere has shipped out Provy, Hayes, Hart, Atkinson, DeAngelo and Walker. He has extended TK, Tippett, Seeler, Zamula, Hathaway, Frost, and Brink. So at this moment, he has not shown a willingness to do significant roster turnover in the upcoming years. That's a pretty even split right now. Should Briere extend York and/or Foerster- should both or one used as an asset to acquire more talent? Tough decisions will eventually have to be made to create a Cup contender.

The Flyers are doing an accidental tank as they are currently tied for the least amount of regulation wins the NHL. As stated Briere won’t actually do anything so a full rebuild might happen through incompetence.
- psuhockey

Think about how they got Michkov. It was lucky as a player like that really shouldn't have dropped to 7th overall. There are two good spots in pro sports to be in. To be really good or to be really bad. Anything in the middle is purgatory. That's where the Flyers are undoubtedly headed. Then they'll use marketing to continue to fool the fan base.

I'm sorry, but in this case the player has to take a good part of the blame. Frost is in dire straits as far as his career is concerned. Does he want to play in the NHL? How do you light a fire under guys without that competitive desire? Have the Flyers handled him perfectly? Hell no, but I'm tired of the excuses being made for this guy.
- Phillywhiteout

Frost's issue is not a lack of competitive desire.

That may be easier said than done. Do you really want to bring a player of his ilk over and have a team that gets curb stomped every night? He may want out! You don't want the kid to get sour on the organization.
- Phillywhiteout

Does Bedard want out of Chicago? Does Celebrini or Smith want out of SJ? Does Carlsson want out of Anaheim? Players like that don't want to bail. They want to lead their team to success.

I would hope so, but Briere has shipped out Provy, Hayes, Hart, Atkinson, DeAngelo and Walker. He has extended TK, Tippett, Seeler, Zamula, Hathaway, Frost, and Brink. So at this moment, he has not shown a willingness to do significant roster turnover in the upcoming years. That's a pretty even split right now. Should Briere extend York and/or Foerster- should both or one used as an asset to acquire more talent? Tough decisions will eventually have to be made to create a Cup contender.
- Trox88

great post

Does Bedard want out of Chicago? Does Celebrini or Smith want out of SJ? Does Carlsson want out of Anaheim? Players like that don't want to bail. They want to lead their team to success.
- MJL

Ask that question in 4 years. Of course, they don't want out now. Players like that want to win.

I would hope so, but Briere has shipped out Provy, Hayes, Hart, Atkinson, DeAngelo and Walker. He has extended TK, Tippett, Seeler, Zamula, Hathaway, Frost, and Brink. So at this moment, he has not shown a willingness to do significant roster turnover in the upcoming years. That's a pretty even split right now. Should Briere extend York and/or Foerster- should both or one used as an asset to acquire more talent? Tough decisions will eventually have to be made to create a Cup contender.
- Trox88

i think you have to hang onto york. fits the michkov timeline and will be difficult to replace. you'll just be looking for another cam york.

Frost's issue is not a lack of competitive desire.
- MJL

Then what is his issue and why do the Canes keep failing in the playoffs if they have grit and high end talent? My opinions have been stated.

Then what is his issue and why do the Canes keep failing in the playoffs if they have grit and high end talent? My opinions have been stated.
- Phillywhiteout

Frost just like Konecny was, is inconsistent. He needs to be better and most importantly, he needs to be playing to get better. The coach is not doing him any favors and there is no purpose right now to scratching him.
All of the Flyers young forwards are struggling. Why single Frost out?

Then what is his issue.
- Phillywhiteout

Torts. he ruined frost as a player and as a person. i heard he ties his skate laces together when frost isn't looking just to make him look silly.

i think you have to hang onto york. fits the michkov timeline and will be difficult to replace. you'll just be looking for another cam york.
- black_francis

That's fine, so another young asset is kept on the roster that has not made the playoffs. Not suggesting this is the wrong move, so you would move Foerster first? What about Andrae? I'm not going to include Drysdale in this post because Briere gave up a significant asset to acquire. In the short term, Briere will not move him. York, Foerster and possibly Andrae have the highest potential trade value currently on the roster. They are young, cheap and theory much more room to grow. We all agree the roster needs vast improvement. Trading players like Brink, Zamula, and Farabee won't get the return of York and/or Foerster.