That's fine, so another young asset is kept on the roster that has not made the playoffs. Not suggesting this is the wrong move, so you would move Foerster first? What about Andrae? I'm not going to include Drysdale in this post because Briere gave up a significant asset to acquire. In the short term, Briere will not move him. York, Foerster and possibly Andrae have the highest potential trade value currently on the roster. They are young, cheap and theory much more room to grow. We all agree the roster needs vast improvement. Trading players like Brink, Zamula, and Farabee won't get the return of York and/or Foerster.
- Trox88

if the question is "if I had to trade one" I'd trade Forester before York. Would I trade York if he was included in a trade for a bonafide stud? Perhaps, but I'm not interested in trading York for more draft picks and kicking the can down the road

That's fine, so another young asset is kept on the roster that has not made the playoffs. Not suggesting this is the wrong move, so you would move Foerster first? What about Andrae? I'm not going to include Drysdale in this post because Briere gave up a significant asset to acquire. In the short term, Briere will not move him. York, Foerster and possibly Andrae have the highest potential trade value currently on the roster. They are young, cheap and theory much more room to grow. We all agree the roster needs vast improvement. Trading players like Brink, Zamula, and Farabee won't get the return of York and/or Foerster.
- Trox88

It would probably be off season moves but the players on the roster with the highest trade value are Konecny and Sanheim.

They will get zero value out of MM and his ELC.
- login

This isn’t the NFL. No team takes advantage of ELCs for their core players. The bottom of the roster types and filler sure but not top 10 picks. A team has to suck bad just to get them. The Blackhawks did it but that was an anomaly. Colorado didn’t even do that with Makar.

Ask that question in 4 years. Of course, they don't want out now. Players like that want to win.
- login

Bedard just recently complained to the press about the constant losing.

It would probably be off season moves but the players on the roster with the highest trade value are Konecny and Sanheim.
- MJL

Sanheim has a NTC, so he has control where he goes- certainly his right, no issue with that. However, I think return could be impacted because the list of teams Briere could negotiate would be limited. Pretty sure next season TK is in the same boat with his extension- NTC.

Bedard just recently complained to the press about the constant losing.
- psuhockey

Has he said he wants out? Most players don't like to lose.

Sanheim has a NTC, so he has control where he goes- certainly his right, no issue with that. However, I think return could be impacted because the list of teams Briere could negotiate would be limited. Pretty sure next season TK is in the same boat with his extension- NTC.
- Trox88

We can only speculate but if a trade was worked out for the necessary return where Sanheim was traded to a legit contender. He's going to say no?

Michkov is 19. There will be lots of new players brought here before he hits his prime. Now will they be the right players to suit his skill set? Who knows.
- Phillywhiteout

The compete a little rebuild nonsense is painful to watch but even the most negative person should realize this roster is going to be way different in 4-5 years especially at forward.

Will it be better is the question.

Perhaps, but I'm not interested in trading York for more draft picks and kicking the can down the road
- black_francis

I don’t think the fact that “hockey trades” don’t happen in the NHL all that often has sunk in to most fans. There is one maybe two a year. Most trades are contract related and most returns are picks and second level prospects. Tkachuk’s and Eichel’s being available in their primes are rarities.

I don’t think the fact that “hockey trades” don’t happen in the NHL all that often has sunk in to most fans. There is one maybe two a year. Most trades are contract related and most returns are picks and second level prospects. Tkachuk’s and Eichel’s being available in their primes are rarities.
- psuhockey

Yep, which is all the more reason why you need to focus on drafting. Players that will only get you to bubble status are available but like you said. Often for contract reasons and teams looking to get out of it.

Then why do they keep failing in the playoffs?
- Phillywhiteout

I don't know if you noticed but there's a significant amount of turnover on the team most years.

I don't know if you noticed but there's a significant amount of turnover on the team most years.
- BINGO!

It's extremely difficult obviously to win the Cup. You need some good luck.

I would hope so, but Briere has shipped out Provy, Hayes, Hart, Atkinson, DeAngelo and Walker. He has extended TK, Tippett, Seeler, Zamula, Hathaway, Frost, and Brink. So at this moment, he has not shown a willingness to do significant roster turnover in the upcoming years. That's a pretty even split right now. Should Briere extend York and/or Foerster- should both or one used as an asset to acquire more talent? Tough decisions will eventually have to be made to create a Cup contender.
- Trox88

Risto is never getting moved. Seeler's value was at a peak and teams were interested in paying a fortune for the Walker-Seeler pair. Refusal to trade Laughton. Refusal to trade Hathaway, extended him instead.

Didn't want to trade Walker and only reluctantly did so when they couldn't afford him.

Sanheim wasn't being traded because it was a rebuild, he was being traded to appease the coach's ego.

The amount of revisionist history required to believe this team is doing a thing they blatantly aren't doing could fill an entire encyclopedia set. That's the amount of convoluted fantasy and nonsense that has to be dreamed up to twist and hide plain straightforward facts.

We can only speculate but if a trade was worked out for the necessary return where Sanheim was traded to a legit contender. He's going to say no?
- MJL

No, but limiting the amount of teams who Briere negotiate with gives him less leverage. The reality it is highly unlikely Sanheim and TK are moved unless both ask to be moved. Briere definitely is not moving
either without both saying they want out-which is not happening anytime soon. So back to my original post, York and/or Foerster have the highest value to reshape the roster in the short-term (now and the start of next season). Not sure Brere moves either one.

Risto is never getting moved. Seeler's value was at a peak and teams were interested in paying a fortune for the Walker-Seeler pair. Refusal to trade Laughton. Refusal to trade Hathaway, extended him instead.

Didn't want to trade Walker and only reluctantly did so when they couldn't afford him.

Sanheim wasn't being traded because it was a rebuild, he was being traded to appease the coach's ego.

The amount of revisionist history required to believe this team is doing a thing they blatantly aren't doing could fill an entire encyclopedia set. That's the amount of convoluted fantasy and nonsense that has to be dreamed up to twist and hide plain straightforward facts.
- Striiker

Completely agree.

No, but limiting the amount of teams who Briere negotiate with gives him less leverage. The reality it is highly unlikely Sanheim and TK are moved unless both ask to be moved. Briere definitely is not moving
either without both saying they want out-which is not happening anytime soon. So back to my original post, York and/or Foerster have the highest value to reshape the roster in the short-term (now and the start of next season). Not sure Brere moves either one.
- Trox88

I'll again disagree. Konecny and Sanheim have the most value. If you just want eliminate them, fine but it doesn't change that.

if the question is "if I had to trade one" I'd trade Forester before York. Would I trade York if he was included in a trade for a bonafide stud? Perhaps, but I'm not interested in trading York for more draft picks and kicking the can down the road
- black_francis

York should go nowhere. Despite the gloom and doom, I think the Flyers are on their to building a respectable blue line. Hopefully it’s Sullivan who takes over for Tortorella and Shaw is kept around.

I like Foerster but something has to give a wing especially in the right side. I wish they would move Tippett instead but that’s probably wishful thinking. I think Foerster is having a sophomore slump and will become a valuable middle six two way winger but he has to be on the table for an upgrade at center.

York should go nowhere. Despite the gloom and doom, I think the Flyers are on their to building a respectable blue line. Hopefully it’s Sullivan who takes over for Tortorella and Shaw is kept around.

I like Foerster but something has to give a wing especially in the right side. I wish they would move Tippett instead but that’s probably wishful thinking. I think Foerster is having a sophomore slump and will become a valuable middle six two way winger but he has to be on the table for an upgrade at center.
- psuhockey

Personally I think Shaw is overrated as an assistant. I want a complete overhaul of the coaching staff.

It's extremely difficult obviously to win the Cup. You need some good luck.
- MJL

Yep.

And like it's not like it's been the same thing every year when they've failed.

2019 team went way further than it should have.
2020 succumbed to injuries.
2021 goaltending fell apart.
2022 couldn't score vs the Rangers.
2023 got goalied by Bobrovsky (Canes and Panthers played 15 periods of hockey in 4 games)
2024 tried to ride Freddie Andersen and he fell apart again.

This year they've done something different, letting bigger name but older/slower players in Pesce/Teravainen/Skjei walk in favour of guys who maybe don't have the reputation but instead are precise fits for exactly what they want each guy to do.

The compete a little rebuild nonsense is painful to watch but even the most negative person should realize this roster is going to be way different in 4-5 years especially at forward.

Will it be better is the question.
- psuhockey

100%.

We already know Frost is gone.
I dont think Seeler finishes the contract with us.
I dont believe Zamula will still be here in 4 years
Ristolainen is in plenty of rumours already.
Farabee has been in Rumours for a while now.
Im not convinced Tippett will still be here especially if we keep Farabee
Laughton probably wont be around in 4 years.
Hathaway will be gone
Not sure I see Fedotov staying with Flyers past his 2 year deal especially if Kolosov plays strong

You have to figure Luchenko, Bonk and Barkey will be on the team. Maybe Hunter McDonald will become something decent.

No, but limiting the amount of teams who Briere negotiate with gives him less leverage. The reality it is highly unlikely Sanheim and TK are moved unless both ask to be moved. Briere definitely is not moving
either without both saying they want out-which is not happening anytime soon. So back to my original post, York and/or Foerster have the highest value to reshape the roster in the short-term (now and the start of next season). Not sure Brere moves either one.
- Trox88

I think Bonk is a huge trade chip but I don’t think Briere will do it. Teams are desperate for Right handed defenseman and he will have a national audience at the world juniors. Thats the smarter piece than York.

When will we know about RyJo?

I think Bonk is a huge trade chip but I don’t think Briere will do it. Teams are desperate for Right handed defenseman and he will have a national audience at the world juniors. Thats the smarter piece than York.
- psuhockey

Certainly possible, but Briere will probably not do it- and I agree. For me, Briere really is doing the Hextall plan. His belief is his plan for drafting and developing will be the team build. What if all these prospects just are not good enough? Is the coaching staff in the AHL good enough to develop players? Very debatable at this point. IIRC, the toughest personnel trade Hextall made was trading Brayden Schenn. Did the Flyers win that trade? In the end, Hextall's prospects were not good enough and not used to trade for others assets to help the team. To this point, the toughest personnel decision Briere made was trading Provy. Actually it was rather an easy decision because the player wanted out and Provy would be the example why "culture" is so important. Believe me, I am not impressed with this focus on "culture".

Risto is never getting moved. Seeler's value was at a peak and teams were interested in paying a fortune for the Walker-Seeler pair. Refusal to trade Laughton. Refusal to trade Hathaway, extended him instead.

Didn't want to trade Walker and only reluctantly did so when they couldn't afford him.

Sanheim wasn't being traded because it was a rebuild, he was being traded to appease the coach's ego.

The amount of revisionist history required to believe this team is doing a thing they blatantly aren't doing could fill an entire encyclopedia set. That's the amount of convoluted fantasy and nonsense that has to be dreamed up to twist and hide plain straightforward facts.
- Striiker

Nailed it... great post.

I think Bonk is a huge trade chip but I don’t think Briere will do it. Teams are desperate for Right handed defenseman and he will have a national audience at the world juniors. Thats the smarter piece than York.
- psuhockey

That doesn't make sense to me. I would not be looking to trade Bonk. This franchise has wasted countless assets to obtain RH defenseman. He has to potential to be a good top 4 RH defenseman. Shouldn't be looking to trade a player with that potential at that age.