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LMAO

For Kreider, I wonder if a package of Morgan Frost, Drysdale (if and when he is healthy), and Desaluriers would be enough.

That is def enough if Chiarelli was GM.

I don't think Briere wants draft picks unless it is for the '26 draft. He should be shipping out right wingers for assets. They have a glut on the roster and Tuomaala looks ready for the NHL. i am in the camp Risto does have trade value without retaining salary (even more so if a CBA extension is announced during the Finals). Obviously, they need centers. Couts is fine leading a 3rd line checking other team's top line. Top 2 center spots are open. Frost divorce needs to happen. Best for both sides.
- Trox88

can't wait to see them punt form the 2025 draft to 2026 after all the hype they created.

I would think you want mainly NHL players on their ELC or 2nd contract. Or a younger vet in the Farabee range. Wouldn't mind seeing this roster purged a little with new blood coming in. This group will never win. Time to start shipping some out.

Tuomaala isn't ready to me. His 5 on 5 play is not up to snuff. I have zero issue leaving him be in LHV.

flyers problem with making trades is they do not want to trade anyone with value
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The problem is they don’t have many players of value to move. Teams selling young players want cheap young players with possible upside in return. Realistically the Flyers only have Bonk and Luchanko. Farabee isn’t cheap anymore and not that young. Frost isn’t young either. Foerster is the only other guy that might have real value in the trade market but I would wager teams aren’t as high on him as the Flyers are.

A huge no to the Norris trade. I don't know enough about Jiricek to make that call. If I thought he had the potential to be a top defenseman, yes. If he just has the potential to be a solid top 4, no.
- MJL

watching hockey games can help with that

The problem is they don’t have many players of value to move. Teams selling young players want cheap young players with possible upside in return. Realistically the Flyers only have Bonk and Luchanko. Farabee isn’t cheap anymore and not that young. Frost isn’t young either. Foerster is the only other guy that might have real value in the trade market but I would wager teams aren’t as high on him as the Flyers are.
- psuhockey

you could add brink to that list. i don't love his game but i get a weird feeling he'd be the one to find his game the second we trade him.

Provorov wanted out so they obliged. Pushing hard to move up in the top 5 is a somewhat fruitless effort as those picks do not get traded. Wanting to move is also funny because if they did the rebuild the right way, they may have had a top 5 pick.

He has taken the path of least resistance. Same roster as last year more or less. He has been unimpressive so far.

When you have a good number of picks is when you use them to maybe overpay a little if you really like a player. Jircek as an example.
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Doesnt matter what Provorov wanted. He was signed here, they had no obligation to move him. Flyers want him gone just as much as he wanted him out.

Briere is not taking the path of less resistance he is being patient which the Flyers need to do. Without tanking they need to pick their spots. The Flyers should only be making moves if theres a potential core piece out there

The problem is they don’t have many players of value to move. Teams selling young players want cheap young players with possible upside in return. Realistically the Flyers only have Bonk and Luchanko. Farabee isn’t cheap anymore and not that young. Frost isn’t young either. Foerster is the only other guy that might have real value in the trade market but I would wager teams aren’t as high on him as the Flyers are.
- psuhockey

They had several with value who they decided to re-sign than move. Laughton has value.

That Seeler contract will age badly. He does not look good at all right now.

Doesnt matter what Provorov wanted. He was signed here, they had no obligation to move him. Flyers want him gone just as much as he wanted him out.

Briere is not taking the path of less resistance he is being patient which the Flyers need to do. Without tanking they need to pick their spots. The Flyers should only be making moves if theres a potential core piece out there
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

ok it doesn't matter. doesn't change anything I said and he hasn't done much. you disagree. no problem.

The flyers did not want him gone. Had he not requested to be moved he wouldn't have at that time.

So, you only make a trade for a core piece? that is your approach?

They had several with value who they decided to re-sign than move. Laughton has value.

That Seeler contract will age badly. He does not look good at all right now.
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They have guys who can get picks and b level prospect but not the level of Jiricek, Wright and even Pinto. Konecny would get picks and b level prospects because he would be going to a contender and that’s what they spend. Laughton and Seeler would be picks. Tippett may have gotten a decent young player but not anymore unless a that player also has a long term big money contract.

I don't think Briere wants draft picks unless it is for the '26 draft. He should be shipping out right wingers for assets. They have a glut on the roster and Tuomaala looks ready for the NHL. i am in the camp Risto does have trade value without retaining salary (even more so if a CBA extension is announced during the Finals). Obviously, they need centers. Couts is fine leading a 3rd line checking other team's top line. Top 2 center spots are open. Frost divorce needs to happen. Best for both sides.
- Trox88

What does the CBA extension have to do with anything. There are no reported or expected hang ups and the CBA extension is just a formality.

They have guys who can get picks and b level prospect but not the level of Jiricek, Wright and even Pinto. Konecny would get picks and b level prospects because he would be going to a contender and that’s what they spend. Laughton and Seeler would be picks. Tippett may have gotten a decent young player but not anymore unless a that player also has a long term big money contract.
- psuhockey

Nothing wrong with acquiring picks. You can then use them picks in several ways to improve your team in other deal.

Bottom line is the flyers have shown zero inclination to move the culture/process guys. They have not shown the willingness to trade their best asset despite claiming they are rebuilding.

can't wait to see them punt form the 2025 draft to 2026 after all the hype they created.

I would think you want mainly NHL players on their ELC or 2nd contract. Or a younger vet in the Farabee range. Wouldn't mind seeing this roster purged a little with new blood coming in. This group will never win. Time to start shipping some out.

Tuomaala isn't ready to me. His 5 on 5 play is not up to snuff. I have zero issue leaving him be in LHV.
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Punting to '26, would be wild- might actually.

I'm curious, why do you believe Tuomaala's 5 on 5 is not ready? Is Lappy the HC to improve those areas you identify? He's now played 85 games in the AHL, is he close to being the next Anthony Richard as opposed to NHL regular?

Punting to '26, would be wild- might actually.

I'm curious, why do you believe Tuomaala's 5 on 5 is not ready? Is Lappy the HC to improve those areas you identify? He's now played 85 games in the AHL, is he close to being the next Anthony Richard as opposed to NHL regular?
- Trox88

85 games in the AHL is nothing for a 2nd round pick.

The Flyers are two points out of a playoff spot with no seasoned NHL goalie currently and lots of underperforming players (Tippett, Frost, Foerster and Farabee), but you say that they will be lucky to make the playoffs in 4 years. That's not reality, that is being a Debbie Downer, but you'll fit in great here. Welcome to "The View" of the hockey world.

- Phillywhiteout

Well said 👍 👏 👌 🙌

Being negative is easy, it's the cowardly fan way of thinking.

What does the CBA extension have to do with anything. There are no reported or expected hang ups and the CBA extension is just a formality.
- MJL

Any increase in cap will mean % of cap for player salaries goes down. Current cap ceiling is 88 million. IIRC, rough estimates even without CBA extension could see cap ceiling rising to 92 million. Pretty sure (could be wrong) with extension, cap rising up to 96 million. As the cap rises, player salaries realign- nothing new. Risto @ 5.1 million for a 3rd pair Dman as the cap continues to rise is easier to absorb. There are current teams who can win the Cup right now, who will look very different 2 years from now. Off the top of my head - EDM, TOR, NYR, WPG to name a few. A GM taking a shot with a player like Risto to win the Cup for a team that probably due to age or other factors like middle six players moving on during free agency in a few years will be less competitive makes sense. Basically, the time to win is now. An argument can be made a GM would be a fool to believe Risto is that much of a difference maker.

Punting to '26, would be wild- might actually.

I'm curious, why do you believe Tuomaala's 5 on 5 is not ready? Is Lappy the HC to improve those areas you identify? He's now played 85 games in the AHL, is he close to being the next Anthony Richard as opposed to NHL regular?
- Trox88

Based on his metrics and couple times seen him play. most of his damage points wise has been on the PP (no issue with that). unless he is putting up points don't see him in a bottom 6 role just yet.

prior to last season both parties really hosed up his development. He will be 22. not understanding the richard comparison.

Pinto will cost more then that.
- landros 2

Pinto is struggling this year, no?

How so? Briere's made some big moves. The Provorov trade, attempted Sanheim trade, He pusjed hard to move up last draft.

Aside from not moving some UFAs, Briere has done exactly what we want. Collect draft capital, get younger, and not make silly trades like Flyers past for help now.

The Flyers should only be big game hunting for guys like Eichel which there are not many situations like that. Jiricek could be one and the Flyers are in on him. As for C there are no options out there other than Zegras which Id probably be against adding unless the ask is like a 2nd round pick, which it is highly unlikely. Im not aware of any legit #1 options
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

As much as we all want and need a numbers 1 c.

Drafting is the only way, not trading because the cost is gonna be extremely high

Now I'm open to the idea of trading for potential number 1 center who is extremely young and hasn't work out, where the cost is very low.

Based on his metrics and couple times seen him play. most of his damage points wise has been on the PP (no issue with that). unless he is putting up points don't see him in a bottom 6 role just yet.

prior to last season both parties really hosed up his development. He will be 22. not understanding the richard comparison.
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Appreciate the reponse. Basically, the Richard comparison is that Tuomaala tops out as a vey good AHLer, who just is not quite good enough to be an NHL everyday player.

Appreciate the reponse. Basically, the Richard comparison is that Tuomaala tops out as a vey good AHLer, who just is not quite good enough to be an NHL everyday player.
- Trox88

Too early for me to go there just yet. Whether tops out as good AHL.

The last 2 years they have handled him well in LHV. Seeing who the flyers have on the current roster I just leave Samu be. just my opinion.

Any increase in cap will mean % of cap for player salaries goes down. Current cap ceiling is 88 million. IIRC, rough estimates even without CBA extension could see cap ceiling rising to 92 million. Pretty sure (could be wrong) with extension, cap rising up to 96 million. As the cap rises, player salaries realign- nothing new. Risto @ 5.1 million for a 3rd pair Dman as the cap continues to rise is easier to absorb. There are current teams who can win the Cup right now, who will look very different 2 years from now. Off the top of my head - EDM, TOR, NYR, WPG to name a few. A GM taking a shot with a player like Risto to win the Cup for a team that probably due to age or other factors like middle six players moving on during free agency in a few years will be less competitive makes sense. Basically, the time to win is now. An argument can be made a GM would be a fool to believe Risto is that much of a difference maker.
- Trox88

The CBA being extended doesn't have anything to do with the cap rising. The upper limit of the salary cap is based on HRR and the 50/50 split. How the cap is determined is not expected to be changed with the CBA extension.

you could add brink to that list. i don't love his game but i get a weird feeling he'd be the one to find his game the second we trade him.
- black_francis

He’s a goner with Barkey coming. The Flyers won’t have that many sub 5’10 guys in the lineup.

A smart team would be inflating his value right now if they knew they were going to move him in the future. The Flyers are not that team.

Just want to point out that there was a time on this site folks didn’t want to trade Provorov for William Nylander

Apparently Shane wright is available, if I'm the flyers I would definitely trade for him, getting him when his value is at a all time low
- SlNlSTER

we'd trade for him and he'd struggle a little and everyone would give up on him like Drysdale

we'd trade for him and he'd struggle a little and everyone would give up on him like Drysdale
- 2Real

your love affair w Drysdale is really an odd thing...