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K. So about -5 a season should be taken into account for this.

I still think +/- is just as good a stat as the fancy stats. Give me a player whose team scores more as opposed to less when he's in the ice any day of the week
- walshyleafsfan

I dont think anyone ever has said they prefer getting scored on thats not the issue

its just the stat as its currently trotted out is misleading and imo not a great judge of defensive abilities. there are way to many things to consider. Lets be honest .those who like to use +/- use it to see who is good and who is bad defensivley.. when it doesnt really tell you that.. you have to account for the noise (its a very noisy stat)

I find it odd that people will say ..Fancy stats dont tell you everything..but in the same breath will say.. plus minus tells me what I need to know i like it

it really comes down to the fact that its been around forever, people understand it, its simple, we dont have to think much at all... Plus is good, minus is bad ..the end

but it leads to a lot of bad analysts and opinions on players.

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- systemtool

Triumphalism

I dont think anyone ever has said they prefer getting scored on thats not the issue

its just the stat as its currently trotted out is misleading and imo not a great judge of defensive abilities. there are way to many things to consider. Lets be honest .those who like to use +/- use it to see who is good and who is bad defensivley.. when it doesnt really tell you that.. you have to account for the noise (its a very noisy stat)

I find it odd that people will say ..Fancy stats dont tell you everything..but in the same breath will say.. plus minus tells me what I need to know i like it

it really comes down to the fact that its been around forever, people understand it, its simple, we dont have to think much at all... Plus is good, minus is bad ..the end

but it leads to a lot of bad analysts and opinions on players.
- senstroll

judging players on shots towards the goal is equally noisy and misleading... especially when you start comparing these numbers at an individual level, when clearly there is a huge team component. and you start expressing numbers based on subjective information gathering, to 10ths of a percent accuracy.

I dont think anyone ever has said they prefer getting scored on thats not the issue

its just the stat as its currently trotted out is misleading and imo not a great judge of defensive abilities. there are way to many things to consider. Lets be honest .those who like to use +/- use it to see who is good and who is bad defensivley.. when it doesnt really tell you that.. you have to account for the noise (its a very noisy stat)

I find it odd that people will say ..Fancy stats dont tell you everything..but in the same breath will say.. plus minus tells me what I need to know i like it

it really comes down to the fact that its been around forever, people understand it, its simple, we dont have to think much at all... Plus is good, minus is bad ..the end

but it leads to a lot of bad analysts and opinions on players.
- senstroll

That was my point in kinda the opposite way.

People love fancy stats but don't like +/-

judging players on shots towards the goal is equally noisy and misleading... especially when you start comparing these numbers at an individual level, when clearly there is a huge team component. and you start expressing numbers based on subjective information gathering, to 10ths of a percent accuracy.
- Aetherial

use expected goals then

Betting odds today and Start of season


- senstroll

Unless someone really (frank)ed up their formatting, those "current odds" are from september.

this is the longest summer ever

Unless someone really (frank)ed up their formatting, those "current odds" are from september.
- Feeling Glucky?

hmm yeah that doesnt make sense

Leafs look better than the sens..so thats all that matters

hmm yeah that doesnt make sense

Leafs are better than the sens..so thats all that matters
- senstroll

fixed that for you

The 2 amigos from Ottawa have gone very silent.....

Rest in Peace long thread..

The 2 amigos from Ottawa have gone very silent.....

Rest in Peace long thread..
- bixll

credit to dopps though.. he is still showing up swinging away

use expected goals then
- senstroll

I assume you are baiting me

They really should have come up with a better name for that stat... it leaves it open to too much ridicule.

credit to dopps though.. he is still showing up swinging away
- senstroll

Well at least he has had the good sens(e) to not be swinging away when everything favours the Leafs.

I am sure they'll both be back with the derp and chirp just as soon as Ottawa wind a couple and Leafs lose a couple.

credit to dopps though.. he is still showing up swinging away
- senstroll

Nobody said, he wasn't a fan.....

credit to dopps though.. he is still showing up swinging away
- senstroll

As a found farewell to the death of spatso. It only took +1,000 pages and 2 threads, but he finally got one right:

Would I do a Duchene for Turris deal?

Not sure what you gain. Both are very good players. But Turris is one of the best at playing Boucher's game and he has been clutch when it really matters.

Players always have an adjustment period after a trade and I am not sure you want to change up the chemistry that already exists with the team.

Turris would make a huge difference in Nashville aspirations.

Pageau has become Boucher's favourite go to guy and he gets all the top defensive roles. He has played really well in an offensive role since Turris went down.

Clearly Ottawa is not going to give Turris the long term deal (up to 8 years) that he wants. I agree with the need to exercise caution as their are some bigger deals that need to get done over the next few years.

Peak production for a forward is age 26 and younger with significant drop off after age 28. I am fine with short term deals for forwards at high dollars just do not provide excessive term. Long term deals with primary Dmen are okay as they move well into their 30's at peak performance rates. Same for goalies.

- spatso

this is the longest summer ever
- daeth

I assume you are baiting me

They really should have come up with a better name for that stat... it leaves it open to too much ridicule.
- Aetherial

meh.. dont get hung up on names of stuff
its just a name

As a found farewell to the death of spatso. It only took +1,000 pages and 2 threads, but he finally got one right:
- Tumbleweed

he has hit on a few things like that.

whats great is it sounds like he is basically talking about a 1 for 1 scenario ... and doesnt like the deal. Ottawa threw in a 1st and some other stuff

meh.. dont get hung up on names of stuff
its just a name
- senstroll

If only my expected salary matched when I actually got paid!

he has hit on a few things like that.

whats great is it sounds like he is basically talking about a 1 for 1 scenario ... and doesnt like the deal. Ottawa threw in a 1st and some other stuff
- senstroll

It doesn't look good right now, for sure.

Duchene certainly seems to have the talent, I just wonder if there are questions about everything else at this point.

It doesn't look good right now, for sure.

Duchene certainly seems to have the talent, I just wonder if there are questions about everything else at this point.
- Aetherial

when a guy gives up on his team... it's not a good sign.

Betting odds today and Start of season


- senstroll

really???? Those are some screwy odds. Unless I'm reading that wrong, the odds on the Edmonton Oilers winning the cup are lower now than they were at the beginning of the season. They may not even make the playoffs.

I dont think anyone ever has said they prefer getting scored on thats not the issue

its just the stat as its currently trotted out is misleading and imo not a great judge of defensive abilities. there are way to many things to consider. Lets be honest .those who like to use +/- use it to see who is good and who is bad defensivley.. when it doesnt really tell you that.. you have to account for the noise (its a very noisy stat)

I find it odd that people will say ..Fancy stats dont tell you everything..but in the same breath will say.. plus minus tells me what I need to know i like it

it really comes down to the fact that its been around forever, people understand it, its simple, we dont have to think much at all... Plus is good, minus is bad ..the end

but it leads to a lot of bad analysts and opinions on players.
- senstroll

The correct answer is, there isn't a single stat that shows you everything you need to know. Both +/- and CORSI are a small piece of a large puzzle, and you really need to take everything into consideration.