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BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009
Apr 3 @ 12:19 PM ET
Yes.

But that Byron Bader dude is a bit clueless about Tkachuk.
And his grammar is bad.
- Not_Yan


All the Tkachuk's look like barely sentient cauliflower.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005
Apr 3 @ 12:48 PM ET
All the Tkachuk's look like barely sentient cauliflower.
- BINGO!
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 3 @ 1:29 PM ET
Yes.

But that Byron Bader dude is a bit clueless about Tkachuk.
And his grammar is bad.
- Not_Yan


thats one of the reasons I posted it, its going to be interesting to watch it play out.
he uses his nhle to get a sense of what a prospect is predicted to do
https://nhles.com/

it is possible Tkachuk is an outlier, but thats usally a bad bet
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011
Apr 3 @ 2:09 PM ET
thats one of the reasons I posted it, its going to be interesting to watch it play out.
he uses his nhle to get a sense of what a prospect is predicted to do
https://nhles.com/

it is possible Tkachuk is an outlier, but thats usally a bad bet
- senstroll


It's not that he's so much of an outlier in that the data is incomplete.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 3 @ 3:45 PM ET
It's not that he's so much of an outlier in that the data is incomplete.
- golfingsince


elaborate
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005
Apr 3 @ 3:46 PM ET
let's try to remember why we're here, everybody.

FOCUS
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Apr 3 @ 3:50 PM ET
let's try to remember why we're here, everybody.

FOCUS
- kicksave856

undeserved pride
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
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Apr 3 @ 3:55 PM ET
elaborate
- senstroll


The whole model that he has doesn't factor in minutes, linemates age etc. He's played 68 games with a .625 ppp as a 19 year old on a horrible team. Is it much of a stretch to imagine by the time he reaches 200 games he's at or beyond 0.7?

Most statistics are so linear, and people try to use them to frame something.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 4 @ 8:52 AM ET
The whole model that he has doesn't factor in minutes, linemates age etc. He's played 68 games with a .625 ppp as a 19 year old on a horrible team. Is it much of a stretch to imagine by the time he reaches 200 games he's at or beyond 0.7?

Most statistics are so linear, and people try to use them to frame something.
- golfingsince


Well I think he is basing the predictions off players results before they hit the NHL.

this is a pretty good explanation
https://nhles.com/2019/03...nhle-thresholds-analysis/

So far he is outproducing the nhle, and it a happens. And it shouldnt be controversial to say he is. iirc there was a lot of talk around him and where he should be drafted as a lot of his perceived value is of the intangible variety.

back to the nhle

This analysis, an effort one year in the making, includes every forward drafted between 1995 and 2018 (in the first seven rounds) – which, in total after removing players that were drafted twice, includes over 2,800 players


so you have a 2800 player base of information to test the results against and see how accurate the model is.

anyways I find it interesting and I hope the Leafs are using models like this to help in the drafting of players who are more likley to make the NHL
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017
Apr 4 @ 10:23 AM ET
Here. So the few Ottawa fans can enjoy seeing where they're gonna pick.

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014
Apr 4 @ 11:10 AM ET
The whole model that he has doesn't factor in minutes, linemates age etc. He's played 68 games with a .625 ppp as a 19 year old on a horrible team. Is it much of a stretch to imagine by the time he reaches 200 games he's at or beyond 0.7?

Most statistics are so linear, and people try to use them to frame something.
- golfingsince


73 64 0.877
82 70 0.854
80 50 0.625
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006
Apr 4 @ 12:05 PM ET
dErps was here today to show his support for donald trump but he didn't have the balls to come in this thread and explain his year of claiming ottawa was in a better situation that your leafs.

so he showed up once and lost again twice.
- Richardflair


Derps and Kaptaan are pretty much the same person, if not actually the same person.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 7 @ 8:13 PM ET
TSN 1200 in Ottawa is running a contest where you can jump on a bus and they will drive you to Belleville

Basically they are running a contest to get on a Bus and drive away from Ottawa to Not watch a Sens game
- senstroll


Just curious. Was this a belleville playoffs game?

Because theyve been on a skid and i think theyre out of a playoff spot.

Running a contest to bus fans to an AHL playoff game. Then missing the playoffs. That would be such an ottawa senators thing to do.
penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
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Joined: 09.01.2008
Apr 7 @ 8:15 PM ET
Just curious. Was this a belleville playoffs game?

Because theyve been on a skid and i think theyre out of a playoff spot.

Running a contest to bus fans to an AHL playoff game. Then missing the playoffs. That would be such an ottawa senators thing to do.
- prock
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 7 @ 8:28 PM ET

- penguininnevada

Archie bunker was a sens fan?
penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater
Joined: 09.01.2008
Apr 7 @ 8:32 PM ET
Archie bunker was a sens fan?
- prock

DGTBG
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 10 @ 8:50 AM ET
Sens are so awful they cant even win a lottery thats in their favor

Sad
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 11 @ 7:04 PM ET
Sens are so awful they cant even win a lottery thats in their favor

Sad
- senstroll


Irojucally it turns out using last years pick might be the right choice.

Out of sheer luck mind you.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 15 @ 7:34 AM ET
Belleville Sens missed the playoffs because the Marlies lost their final game

thats got to be a blow to the Sens who stacked up their AHL team for a run
dickflair
Joined: 02.21.2018
Apr 15 @ 2:30 PM ET
https://www.hockeybuzz.co...nts-This-Season/258/98964
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 15 @ 2:33 PM ET
https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Trevor-Shackles/Five-Positive-Developments-This-Season/258/98964
- Richardflair


thats sounds like a fantastic start to a load of unparalleled success right there

what could go wrong.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 15 @ 2:41 PM ET
thats sounds like a fantastic start to a load of unparalleled success right there

what could go wrong.
- senstroll



lol. I just replied. Sens fans seem to have delusions of grandeur over their dmen. Apparently Chabot is now a top 31 dman in the league? He went on a 20 game scoring streak, didn't really score much after that, and was a mess defensively all year. Led the league in goals against until he got injured. And it wasn't really close either. the guy is a pylon for now.
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013
Apr 15 @ 5:19 PM ET
lol. I just replied. Sens fans seem to have delusions of grandeur over their dmen. Apparently Chabot is now a top 31 dman in the league? He went on a 20 game scoring streak, didn't really score much after that, and was a mess defensively all year. Led the league in goals against until he got injured. And it wasn't really close either. the guy is a pylon for now.
- prock


You need therapy
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 15 @ 5:28 PM ET
You need therapy
- Not_Yan


Go burn some cop cars.
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013
Apr 15 @ 6:04 PM ET
Go burn some cop cars.
- prock


OUCH
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