I made a point about why TMLSE doesnt care about winning the cup as much as their fans do ,you choose to read it different and resort to putting your head back in the sand.Everything i have mentioned isnt what you want to hear as as fan i get it ,christ we have the biggest dousche as our owner .But he is a billionaire and so is the ownership of the leafs .And them caring and them making money never go hand in hand my friend
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It's a moronic point to make.

Yep and they have had to be on every big name FA out there ,to make sure their fan interest doesnt suffer because of it dude .They won great now they will have to spend to restart the want for the 10 decades of profit

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And you know that how? Maybe they were in on top UFA becuase they thought it'd help them win (which is what they've ended up doing again)


It's beyond clueless to suggest the sox only went after UFA to appease the fans.

This is utterly moronic.
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The leafs as most say spend the most on scouting ,coaching and player aquisition.Kinda funny how they also seem to have a so/so prospect pool ,their coach whom had won a stanley cup before can no longer coach.And some high priced pro scouts that seemed to think they should dump both grabo and mac and give a huge contract to guy like clarkson.Yep iam nuts ,but the past 10 years of this kind of nonsense kinda speaks volumes to what i have been saying

I made a point about why TMLSE doesnt care about winning the cup as much as their fans do ,you choose to read it different and resort to putting your head back in the sand.Everything i have mentioned isnt what you want to hear as as fan i get it ,christ we have the biggest dousche as our owner .But he is a billionaire and so is the ownership of the leafs .And them caring and them making money never go hand in hand my friend
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I gave you logical reasons why you're wrong.

You addressed none of them and just repeated yourself.

Like I said, it's like talking to dopps.

Of course the owners care only about the money. But if you're spending more money than anyone else, you're going to want better results than anyone, because better results=more money.

Melnyk takes the Ballard approach. Don't spend, make money. That works too. But when you say that ownership doesn't care about the on-ice product, because fans will show up regardless, it doesn't mesh with the amount of money they spend. What you're saying fits with Melnyk's model.

And you know that how? Maybe they were in on top UFA becuase they thought it'd help them win (which is what they've ended up doing again)


It's beyond clueless to suggest the sox only went after UFA to appease the fans.
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Yep ,but if they didnt what would have happened to the fans then ???It took them 100 years to win ,think the lost money during those years

The leafs as most say spend the most on scouting ,coaching and player aquisition.Kinda funny how they also seem to have a so/so prospect pool ,their coach whom had won a stanley cup before can no longer coach.And some high priced pro scouts that seemed to think they should dump both grabo and mac and give a huge contract to guy like clarkson.Yep iam nuts ,but the past 10 years of this kind of nonsense kinda speaks volumes to what i have been saying

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No?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5nCd1ZVrw

I gave you logical reasons why you're wrong.

You addressed none of them and just repeated yourself.

Like I said, it's like talking to dopps.

Of course the owners care only about the money. But if you're spending more money than anyone else, you're going to want better results than anyone, because better results=more money.

Melnyk takes the Ballard approach. Don't spend, make money. That works too. But when you say that ownership doesn't care about the on-ice product, because fans will show up regardless, it doesn't mesh with the amount of money they spend. What you're saying fits with Melnyk's model.
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You say that ,but why would they risk making what they already do??? ,They already spend what they spend to keep you coming back for more ,WHY FIX WHAT ISNT BROKEN

Yep ,but if they didnt what would have happened to the fans then ???It took them 100 years to win ,think the lost money during those years

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Considering they just won not long ago, probably not much.


I don't think you understand what your talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5nCd1ZVrw
- Mike Komisarek

The memories

You say that ,but why would they risk making what they already do??? ,They already spend what they spend to keep you coming back for more ,WHY FIX WHAT ISNT BROKEN

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More playoff games = more $. Can't make it more simple than that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5nCd1ZVrw
- Mike Komisarek

That's so cringe-inducing.

No?
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OK then ,10 years 1 playoff berth so/so collection of young tallent .-= capped out bubble team .Who is gonna be to blame when they dont win in the next 10 years

You say that ,but why would they risk making what they already do??? ,They already spend what they spend to keep you coming back for more ,WHY FIX WHAT ISNT BROKEN

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When you pay for results you don't get... that's not a system that doesn't need fixing. That's something that's broken.

You don't pay more than anyone else in the league to miss the millions, tens of millions... with the Leafs, possibly hundreds of millions of dollars you could be making in the playoffs.

You don't risk associating your brand with losing. Remember- this is Bell and Rogers. They're huge companies. They want their brand to be associated with good things. They're media companies, they understand as well as anyone how much money there is to be made from advertising dollars during a Leafs playoff run.

The memories
- Pecafan Fan

That was GREAT!

When you pay for results you don't get... that's not a system that doesn't need fixing. That's something that's broken.

You don't pay more than anyone else in the league to miss the millions, tens of millions... with the Leafs, possibly hundreds of millions of dollars you could be making in the playoffs.

You don't risk associating your brand with losing. Remember- this is Bell and Rogers. They're huge companies. They want their brand to be associated with good things. They're media companies, they understand as well as anyone how much money there is to be made from advertising dollars during a Leafs playoff run.
- Feeling Glucky?

If that was the case, the Leafs would have been moved to Florida only to be never heard of again.

OK then ,10 years 1 playoff berth so/so collection of young tallent .-= capped out bubble team .Who is gonna be to blame when they dont win in the next 10 years

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That doesn't say they don't want to win. It says they've done a poor job trying.


Anyone who says the owners do not want to win needs to get their head examined.

Considering they just won not long ago, probably not much.


I don't think you understand what your talking about
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Players that win championships make big money ,even bench players get more .The stars that make it possible ,now get to bend over their owners and ask for unheard of money .And the owners are ususally forced to pay it,to prevent fan backlash.Yep you make a ton of cash ,but you also spend alot more as well ,now the leafs dont have to do any of this because the have no other competition in their market at all .

Players that win championships make big money ,even bench players get more .The stars that make it possible ,now get to bend over their owners and ask for unheard of money .And the owners are ususally forced to pay it,to prevent fan backlash.Yep you make a ton of cash ,but you also spend alot more as well ,now the leafs dont have to do any of this because the have no other competition in their market at all .

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You know, there's this thing called the cap.

You can't spend more than it.

I don't know how long you've been following hockey... but it's been a thing for a while.

When you pay for results you don't get... that's not a system that doesn't need fixing. That's something that's broken.

You don't pay more than anyone else in the league to miss the millions, tens of millions... with the Leafs, possibly hundreds of millions of dollars you could be making in the playoffs.

You don't risk associating your brand with losing. Remember- this is Bell and Rogers. They're huge companies. They want their brand to be associated with good things. They're media companies, they understand as well as anyone how much money there is to be made from advertising dollars during a Leafs playoff run.
- Feeling Glucky?

And what kind of media attention do the leafs get whether they are good or they are bad

He was with the Leafs. Kessel, JVR, and Lupul are all significantly better.
- prock

Absogoddamlutely. Maybe we're talking from two different angles here. I'd love an upgrade, but Mac is not the worst player on our top 6. As such, I'd hope for an upgrade to Michalek before MacArthur. Give me two or three upgrades, though, and your point becomes perfect - if we were a significantly better team, Mac would be pushed down to the third line as you say...

And what kind of media attention do the leafs get whether they are good or they are bad

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They're gonna get attention when they're bad. But it won't be during their games, because they won't be playing. So they won't be making advertising dollars.


Now, if they went to the cup, and every NHL fan was watching a Leafs vs whoever final... well... there would be a few more advertising dollars going their way.

Attention is great. But it's a lot better when you can capitalize on it.

You know, there's this thing called the cap.

You can't spend more than it.

I don't know how long you've been following hockey... but it's been a thing for a while.
- Feeling Glucky?

Sure and the leafs are at it ,and what did this accomplish ???They will always be a cap team their market demands it ,but are they gonna be better for it next season ,probably not .The cycle continues

Players that win championships make big money ,even bench players get more .The stars that make it possible ,now get to bend over their owners and ask for unheard of money .And the owners are ususally forced to pay it,to prevent fan backlash.Yep you make a ton of cash ,but you also spend alot more as well ,now the leafs dont have to do any of this because the have no other competition in their market at all .

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Still spend to the cap, so there goes that theory.


Winning equals money. Simple as that. The more you win the more you make. If the leafs make money while losing they'd make 10fold if they won.

Sure and the leafs are at it ,and what did this accomplish ???They will always be a cap team their market demands it ,but are they gonna be better for it next season ,probably not .The cycle continues
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So. Breaking down your thought process...

Leafs fans will always go to games, no matter what happens.

Management doesn't want to win, because then they'll have to spend to the cap.

Management is spending to the cap because the Leafs fans demand it.

Management doesn't care that the money they're spending isn't yielding more money.

These are the things you've said.

Do yo see a problem with how they flow?