They're gonna get attention when they're bad. But it won't be during their games, because they won't be playing. So they won't be making advertising dollars.


Now, if they went to the cup, and every NHL fan was watching a Leafs vs whoever final... well... there would be a few more advertising dollars going their way.

Attention is great. But it's a lot better when you can capitalize on it.
- Feeling Glucky?

They make huge ad $$,iam sure companies that get the priviledge of advertising with the blue and white machine, dont get rights to advertise without paying up front.

They make huge ad $$,iam sure companies that get the priviledge of advertising with the blue and white machine, dont get rights to advertise without paying up front.
- top shelf 15

and do you think they'd make more money with 28 extra games, of increased viewership every season?


How are you not getting this?

So. Breaking down your thought process...

Leafs fans will always go to games, no matter what happens.

Management doesn't want to win, because then they'll have to spend to the cap.

Management is spending to the cap because the Leafs fans demand it.

Management doesn't care that the money they're spending isn't yielding more money.

These are the things you've said.

Do yo see a problem with how they flow?
- Feeling Glucky?

Leaf fans will always go to games..... Leafs owner afraid of losing fans.


Contradict much

and do you think they'd make more money with 28 extra games, of increased viewership every season?


How are you not getting this?
- Feeling Glucky?

More games more money? Is it really that simple?

So. Breaking down your thought process...

Leafs fans will always go to games, no matter what happens.

Management doesn't want to win, because then they'll have to spend to the cap.

Management is spending to the cap because the Leafs fans demand it.

Management doesn't care that the money they're spending isn't yielding more money.

These are the things you've said.

Do yo see a problem with how they flow?
- Feeling Glucky?

1st bold ,so the leafs have signed Clarkson this season and yet some are already calling for a buyout .This happens on a non playoff team far too often with the leafs .Do you not think it would continue if they were to win ,but on a bigger scale??2nd bold, Management doesnt care about the money they are spending, so long as they continue to make the huge profits they already do,and are of little risk to maintain the status quo

1st bold ,so the leafs have signed Clarkson this season and yet some are already calling for a buyout .This happens on a non playoff team far too often with the leafs .Do you not think it would continue if they were to win ,but on a bigger scale??2nd bold, Management doesnt care about the money they are spending, so long as they continue to make the huge profits they already do,and are of little risk to maintain the status quo

- top shelf 15

1) What you wrote straight-up makes 0 sense. I read it a couple of times, couldn't find a thread of logic connecting the sentences.

2) If you're spending money to make money, and can make more money spending the same amount of money, wouldn't you want to be making more money?

1) What you wrote straight-up makes 0 sense. I read it a couple of times, couldn't find a thread of logic connecting the sentences.

2) If you're spending money to make money, and can make more money spending the same amount of money, wouldn't you want to be making more money?
- Feeling Glucky?

Agreed on both.

and do you think they'd make more money with 28 extra games, of increased viewership every season?


How are you not getting this?
- Feeling Glucky?

How are you not getting this?? ,do you believe TMLSE has done everything in their power to make the leafs a contender???Because it doesnt look like it from here ,sure they spend money but on crap.Its been 10 years since the last CBA and the leafs have made the playoffs once,and where are they for all the money they have spent???Are they a cup contender or close to being one???Other teams have spent millions less and have twice the amount of sucess the leafs have ever had in the same span.

This reeks of more than just making the occasional error,on players,management etc .It reeks of maintaining what TMLSE wants ,which is to keep milking the golden goose they have in crazy loyal leaf fans ,while giving them nothing more than false hope.Iam not trying to troll any leaf fan here hell i used to watch them as a teenager ,but nothing has changed since then and its been over 25 years

Agreed on both.
- burn

Again why would anyone want ,to fix something that isnt broken ????

How are you not getting this?? ,do you believe TMLSE has done everything in their power to make the leafs a contender???Because it doesnt look like it from here ,sure they spend money but on crap.Its been 10 years since the last CBA and the leafs have made the playoffs once,and where are they for all the money they have spent???Are they a cup contender or close to being one???Other teams have spent millions less and have twice the amount of sucess the leafs have ever had in the same span.

This reeks of more than just making the occasional error,on players,management etc .It reeks of maintaining what TMLSE wants ,which is to keep milking the golden goose they have in crazy loyal leaf fans ,while giving them nothing more than false hope.Iam not trying to troll any leaf fan here hell i used to watch them as a teenager ,but nothing has changed since then and its been over 25 years

- top shelf 15

we're talking about different management groups over the years, with different philosophies.

After the 1st lock-out, they felt the team was still a "win-now" team, and didn't allow JFJ to rebuild. They interfered with the team and didn't let the GM do his job.

The same group eventually realized the error of their ways, and brought in Burke, provided he could do an abbreviated rebuild... still some interference, but not as much. Under Burke, the Leafs' prospect pool grew, and the roster became younger and better.

Then Rogers and Bell bought the Leafs, and brought in Tim Liewiekie(however you spell it) to run MLSE. He and Burke butted heads immediately, and he got rid of Burke.


This is what's happened with the Leafs. It's not a matter of not wanting to win, it's a matter of management thinking they're hockey experts. The current group knows they're not, and brought in a guy who knows how to manage teams. There aren't 5 different groups fighting over what needs to be done, just one guy.

It's an improvement. We'll see how it pans out. But they're not spending the amount of money they're spending to maintain the status quo. They want their investment to grow. That happens by having all the teams MLSE runs improve. Leafs are a lower priority, but with the Raptors and TFC on the up-and-up now, the focus will turn to them.

Again why would anyone want ,to fix something that isnt broken ????
- top shelf 15

Because they can make more money by fixing?

Because they can make more money by fixing?
- burn

and if it's not making all the money it can make, then it is, in fact, broken.

How are you not getting this?? ,do you believe TMLSE has done everything in their power to make the leafs a contender???Because it doesnt look like it from here ,sure they spend money but on crap.Its been 10 years since the last CBA and the leafs have made the playoffs once,and where are they for all the money they have spent???Are they a cup contender or close to being one???Other teams have spent millions less and have twice the amount of sucess the leafs have ever had in the same span.

This reeks of more than just making the occasional error,on players,management etc .It reeks of maintaining what TMLSE wants ,which is to keep milking the golden goose they have in crazy loyal leaf fans ,while giving them nothing more than false hope.Iam not trying to troll any leaf fan here hell i used to watch them as a teenager ,but nothing has changed since then and its been over 25 years

- top shelf 15

You must have the iq of a breadstick if you think spending money poorly is good business sense.


If the leafs didn't want to win they could send minimum and make more. Suggesting that someone is deliberately spending poorly as part of their business model is absurd.


Leafs only care about money. But spend more than anyone, and winning means more money. Those two thing fly in the face of everything. Yours saying.

How are you not getting this?? ,do you believe TMLSE has done everything in their power to make the leafs a contender???Because it doesnt look like it from here ,sure they spend money but on crap.Its been 10 years since the last CBA and the leafs have made the playoffs once,and where are they for all the money they have spent???Are they a cup contender or close to being one???Other teams have spent millions less and have twice the amount of sucess the leafs have ever had in the same span.

This reeks of more than just making the occasional error,on players,management etc .It reeks of maintaining what TMLSE wants ,which is to keep milking the golden goose they have in crazy loyal leaf fans ,while giving them nothing more than false hope.Iam not trying to troll any leaf fan here hell i used to watch them as a teenager ,but nothing has changed since then and its been over 25 years

- top shelf 15

I think you should leave the keyboard alone for a few minutes, go for a walk and then comeback and read all this nonsense you just posted.

I swear you won't be proud.

I think you should leave the keyboard alone for a few minutes, go for a walk and then comeback and read all this nonsense you just posted.

I swear you won't be proud.
- Pecafan Fan

I think you should leave the keyboard alone for a few minutes, go for a walk and then comeback and read all this nonsense you just posted.

I swear you won't be proud.
- Pecafan Fan

No man, you don't get it.

Business people don't like money. They don't want more.

Because they can make more money by fixing?
- burn

Whatever iam not holding my breath

Whatever iam not holding my breath
- top shelf 15

so what is the source of your severe head trauma then?

so what is the source of your severe head trauma then?
- Cape Breton Bruins

Dude iam a rational guy who posts often,most know as pretty reasonable .

But what the tmlse has done to their fans over the last 10 years have been more than unreasonable,10 years no signifigant sucess,piss poor prospect pool for placement of finish ,millions spent ,but still just a bubble team.Yet more excuses.We have the wrong coach ,the goaltender got hurt, clarkson had a bad first season blah blah blah .Rinse, repeat for 10 years the same thing over and over

Dude iam a rational guy who posts often,most know as pretty reasonable .

But what the leafs have done to their fans over the last 10 years have been more than unreasonable,10 years no signifigant sucess,piss poor prospect pool for placement of finish ,millions spent ,but still just a bubble team.Yet more excuses.We have the wrong coach ,the goaltender got hurt, clarkson had a bad first season blah blah blah .Rinse, repeat for 10 years the same thing over and over
- top shelf 15

and yet none of that says they deliberately avoided winning for fear of losing fans.

Dude iam a rational guy who posts often,most know as pretty reasonable .

But what the tmlse has done to their fans over the last 10 years have been more than unreasonable,10 years no signifigant sucess,piss poor prospect pool for placement of finish ,millions spent ,but still just a bubble team.Yet more excuses.We have the wrong coach ,the goaltender got hurt, clarkson had a bad first season blah blah blah .Rinse, repeat for 10 years the same thing over and over
- top shelf 15

which makes these last couple of pages so confusing.

Why is Kulemin as good as gone? His agent was in town recently talking with Nonis. Think they'd be talking if Kulemin didn't want to stay?
- Feeling Glucky?

I just heard that they likely didn't want to bring him back.......obviously have no inside info, but the opinions on twitter, blogs, sports Shows, etc, all seemed to be the same

MLSE is trying to bring Shanahan into a role with the organization.

Don't get why they're spending more money when they're OK with the status quo.

Top Shelf, any ideas?

Leafs recently built a state-of-the-art practice facility for the players. Why would the spend money in something like that? Why not just stick with the status quo?

Leafs recently built a state-of-the-art practice facility for the players. Why would the spend money in something like that? Why not just stick with the status quo?
- Feeling Glucky?

Now that one is easy.

Tax credits!