Now that one is easy.

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- Pecafan Fan

Now that one is easy.

Tax credits!
- Pecafan Fan

what about the 24 scouts they have, double the number of some other teams?

I wonder why they'd have so many if they didn't care, why not just have a guy in a car driving to different OHL teams?

what about the 24 scouts they have, double the number of some other teams?

I wonder why they'd have so many if they didn't care, why not just have a guy in a car driving to different OHL teams?
- Feeling Glucky?

So basically gross incompetence is what's holding them back?

See: Cowboys, Dallas

So basically gross incompetence is what's holding them back?

See: Cowboys, Dallas
- Cape Breton Bruins

So basically gross incompetence is what's holding them back?

See: Cowboys, Dallas
- Cape Breton Bruins

pretty much.

So basically gross incompetence is what's holding them back?

See: Cowboys, Dallas
- Cape Breton Bruins

That's 100% it.

The idea that they (MLSE) don't want to win is silly. They absolutely do, they just have no idea how to.

How are you not getting this?? ,do you believe TMLSE has done everything in their power to make the leafs a contender???Because it doesnt look like it from here ,sure they spend money but on crap.Its been 10 years since the last CBA and the leafs have made the playoffs once,and where are they for all the money they have spent???Are they a cup contender or close to being one???Other teams have spent millions less and have twice the amount of sucess the leafs have ever had in the same span.

This reeks of more than just making the occasional error,on players,management etc .It reeks of maintaining what TMLSE wants ,which is to keep milking the golden goose they have in crazy loyal leaf fans ,while giving them nothing more than false hope.Iam not trying to troll any leaf fan here hell i used to watch them as a teenager ,but nothing has changed since then and its been over 25 years

- top shelf 15

Really? Because they potentially came a blown call away from playing the Habs for the cup, within that period, and spent another portion of that time as one of the better teams in the Eastern conference. They finished top 5 something like 6 out of 7 years or something over one stretch, including a couple of top 2 or 3 finishes.

Kind of says to me that a few things have changed over that period. In fact, given that 25 years ago was right around the time the Ballard period ended, they've probably spent just as many years as a good team as they have bad over that time. In fact, a quick check says 12 of the past 25, so pretty close.

I think you might want to shut up, because you're truthfully being an absolute senseless moron right now.

Done better than an 0 for 8 period? If you're inferring that Bernier is merely a .500 goalie in wins, then you're inferring precisely that.
- Morris

Neither leaf goaltenders have proven that they can be a legitimate Starter in the NHL.

Both are good, or maybe even better than average back ups, and I'm not saying neither can become a Starter, I'm just saying they have not proven it yet.

Come on prock iam not bashing ,but you as a diehard leaf fan .Dont ever wonder why the leafs with all their money always seem to hire the wrong coach or manager,sign the wrong player and always leave their fans wanting more ????The more time that passes with lack of success ,makes me wonder if MLSE is ever really in it to win it .Or to keep the fans coming back in droves hoping the next season will be the one

- top shelf 15

If the bums on the ice attract enough bums to fill the seats, no need to improve the team.

I don't know if you don't understand, or if you don't want to understand. Honestly, it's like talking to dopps.
- Feeling Glucky?

Maybe it's you!

This is utterly moronic.
- burn

But it's true, but you can't see it.

That doesn't say they don't want to win. It says they've done a poor job trying.


Anyone who says the owners do not want to win needs to get their head examined.
- burn

But it's been 47 years, and counting. It's like the Cubs, lovable losers.

Really? Because they potentially came a blown call away from playing the Habs for the cup, within that period, and spent another portion of that time as one of the better teams in the Eastern conference. They finished top 5 something like 6 out of 7 years or something over one stretch, including a couple of top 2 or 3 finishes.

Kind of says to me that a few things have changed over that period. In fact, given that 25 years ago was right around the time the Ballard period ended, they've probably spent just as many years as a good team as they have bad over that time. In fact, a quick check says 12 of the past 25, so pretty close.

I think you might want to shut up, because you're truthfully being an absolute senseless moron right now.
- prock

You mean 3 out of 6 years with 1 top 3 finish? Oh.

No man, you don't get it.

Business people don't like money. They don't want more.
- Feeling Glucky?

Hummmmm, how did the owner of the Charlestown Chiefs explain it?

You mean 3 out of 6 years with 1 top 3 finish? Oh.
- golfingsince

3rd most points in the East in 98-99
4th in 99-2000
7th in 00/01
2nd in 01/02
4th in 02/03
3rd in 03/04

If you're going to try and argue that because of divisional seedings they were 4th in some of those, you're an idiot. Top 3 in the East in 3 of 6 years. Top 5 in 5 out of 6.

- Doppleganger

and the Sens one has no cup, no support?

But it's true, but you can't see it.
- Doppleganger

Not surprised you're on "that" side.......really I'm not.

But it's been 47 years, and counting. It's like the Cubs, lovable losers.
- Doppleganger

Cubs is like 2 times worse.....


But that win, it really hurt the Red Sox ability to keep/attract fans.

Cubs is like 2 times worse.....


But that win, it really hurt the Red Sox ability to keep/attract fans.


- burn

It is honestly probably the stupidest theory out there. Only a clueless moron thinks those things. They clearly haven't thought it through.

If anyone doesn't care about winning, it's Melnyk.

It is honestly probably the stupidest theory out there. Only a clueless moron thinks those things. They clearly haven't thought it through.

If anyone doesn't care about winning, it's Melnyk.
- prock

Melnyk wants to win too, he just doesn't want to spend the money, and risk being in the situation the Leafs are in.

Melnyk wants to win too, he just doesn't want to spend the money, and risk being in the situation the Leafs are in.
- Feeling Glucky?

i agree....i think melnyk desperately wants to win, but like you said, doesn't/can't spend the necessary money.

he reminds me of a much poorer Mark Cuban................crazy, and loves his team.........it's too bad he doesn't have as much money.

i agree....i think melnyk desperately wants to win, but like you said, doesn't/can't spend the necessary money.

he reminds me of a much poorer Mark Cuban................crazy, and loves his team.........it's too bad he doesn't have as much money.
- sensarmy_11

he's got the money, but he likes the money more than the team, I think.

Having the same guy own the team and the arena in a league where "poor" teams get revenue sharing...

dangerous combo.

he's got the money, but he likes the money more than the team, I think.

Having the same guy own the team and the arena in a league where "poor" teams get revenue sharing...

dangerous combo.
- Feeling Glucky?

he doesn't have the money he used to, not even close.

he ROYALLY (frank)ed up with biovial (his primary source of income) and lost a BOATLOAD of cash

pretty sure when he bought the sens, his net worth was 2-3 billion, and i think he's worth maybe just 1 right now, and that goes down all the time.

i mean the guy is still loaded, no doubt...........but i'd put money on the fact that he's got one of the lowest current net worth's of any NHl owner.

he doesn't have the money he used to, not even close.

he ROYALLY (frank)ed up with biovial (his primary source of income) and lost a BOATLOAD of cash

pretty sure when he bought the sens, his net worth was 2-3 billion, and i think he's worth maybe just 1 right now, and that goes down all the time.

i mean the guy is still loaded, no doubt...........but i'd put money on the fact that he's got one of the lowest current net worth's of any NHl owner.
- sensarmy_11

Sorry, my fault for listening to Dopps say he's got plenty of $$.

I forget how delusional he can be.