i need the real turnaround. at least they're getting better now. maybe even playoffs next year! at least that's what i hear.
- kicksave856

It's hard to tell. Watching that stupid north division all year led me to believe it was the worst in hockey.

It's hard to tell. Watching that stupid north division all year led me to believe it was the worst in hockey.
- golfingsince

did you watch the minny series. colorado is propping that horribad division up badly and the assmutual is well named

only because hockey is the most random professional sport in existence with refs that game manage to the point where parity is guaranteed does anyone have a shot to beat tampa or colorado this year

every team is trash compared to them

did you watch the minny series. colorado is propping that horribad division up badly and the assmutual is well named
- daeth

I could barely watch Minny play last year. There's something about that team that makes me change the channel.

why aren't the baltimore orioles called the baltimore baltimore orioles?
- daeth

I have the same question regarding the term “driveways”.

only because hockey is the most random professional sport in existence with refs that game manage to the point where parity is guaranteed does anyone have a shot to beat tampa or colorado this year

every team is trash compared to them
- daeth

It really is gross. It actually turns me off the game.

I have the same question regarding the term “driveways”.
- bloatedmosquito

Exactly, why don't we call them baltimore baltimore orioles?

the sens are a few years away from being able to be in a position to disappoint as much as the leafs have

leafs still in a better situation as of now unless you enjoy watching sub .500 hockey

*mic drop*

*lands on toe*

ow
- daeth

just a few years before melnyk refuses to pay anybody that eventually becomes a good player and they jump ship, you mean.

They're basically a farm team.

only because hockey is the most random professional sport in existence with refs that game manage to the point where parity is guaranteed does anyone have a shot to beat tampa or colorado this year

every team is trash compared to them
- daeth

Canes controlled play against Tampa pretty well in Game 1 the goalie just let in maybe the worst goal I've ever seen in my life and oh no it's all happening again

just a few years before melnyk refuses to pay anybody that eventually becomes a good player and they jump ship, you mean.

They're basically a farm team.
- prock

who was posting about leafs having fans as dumb as spatso and dopps?

i give you prock. EASILY as dumb as either of those other two clowns.

Canes controlled play against Tampa pretty well in Game 1 the goalie just let in maybe the worst goal I've ever seen in my life and oh no it's all happening again
- BINGO!

Just lose to them so we get to watch a COL-TB SCF

Just lose to them so we get to watch a COL-TB SCF
- Nucker101

im sorry bingo but this is what we all want to see

I think the Leaf collapse this year is more tragic than any previous version.

The experience has been profoundly hurtful for so many loyal fans.

There is little joy in beating on a man when he is already down.

I can no longer laugh at the summer musings of the Leaf faithful. The painful scars of so many years of disappointed dreams have left them empty, hollow, filled with despair.

But, hope always springs eternal. The Leafs will take one more year to try again. They will likely fail in the playoffs one last time. And, only then, will they start making some of the necessary changes at the core.

oops dp

The Leafs should not let Hyman walk. Especially, if, as rumoured, he is looking towards Ottawa.

im sorry bingo but this is what we all want to see
- daeth

see now you're getting Montreal and the Islanders I hope you're (frank)ing happy.

see now you're getting Montreal and the Islanders I hope you're (frank)ing happy.
- BINGO!

jokes on you im never happy

only because hockey is the most random professional sport in existence with refs that game manage to the point where parity is guaranteed does anyone have a shot to beat tampa or colorado this year

every team is trash compared to them
- daeth

except maybe Vegas.

The Leafs should not let Hyman walk. Especially, if, as rumoured, he is looking towards Ottawa.
- spatso

if he wants too much, let him walk.

hyman has a rep as the gritty battler a team needs to win. but he hasnt helped them win.

he scores as a 12 goal pace in the playoffs.. well down from his reg season #'s

he is a fine player..but his value is overstated imo.

The Leafs should not let Hyman walk. Especially, if, as rumoured, he is looking towards Ottawa.
- spatso

Reality: UFA free agents preferred destination 31st of 31 Ottawa
Team most often listed on NTC
(for teams player not willing to accept a trade to) - Ottawa

Carry on trolling.

Reality: UFA free agents preferred destination 31st of 31 Ottawa
Team most often listed on NTC
(for teams player not willing to accept a trade to) - Ottawa

Carry on trolling.
- winsix

please provide proof of this claim, otherwise it's just you talking out of your ass...........which you do regularly

what we never see is quality players being traded to, or signing with the leafs........unless they massively overpay that is

please provide proof of this claim, otherwise it's just you talking out of your ass...........which you do regularly

what we never see is quality players being traded to, or signing with the leafs........unless they massively overpay that is
- haywoodjablome

Leaf skill players are okay...but highly cap problematic.

Overall the root of the problem is the Leafs lack character and heart. This past regular season may be their high point. Next year will be far more challenging for them. Analytics does not measure heart.

please provide proof of this claim, otherwise it's just you talking out of your ass...........which you do regularly

what we never see is quality players being traded to, or signing with the leafs........unless they massively overpay that is
- haywoodjablome

Leaf skill players are okay...but highly cap problematic.

Overall the root of the problem is the Leafs lack character and heart. This past regular season may be their high point. Next year will be far more challenging for them. Analytics does not measure heart.

Leaf skill players are okay...but highly cap problematic.

Overall the root of the problem is the Leafs lack character and heart. This past regular season may be their high point. Next year will be far more challenging for them. Analytics does not measure heart.
- spatso

its amazing how every problem can be explained away by a team just lacking character and heart.

Analytics doesnt measure heart, but spatso can.

win = you have heart
Lose = you do not have heart

very enlightening

its amazing how every problem can be explained away by a team just lacking character and heart.

Analytics doesnt measure heart, but spatso can.

win = you have heart
Lose = you do not have heart

very enlightening
- senstroll

Tough to say. There are teams that manage to become top performers year after year, and never make it over the top. San Jose is a great example of that. They get criticized for being chokers. There are also teams that eventually do. Like the Washington Capitals. The Caps were labelled chokers for years, and bowed out in early rounds regularly, until they won.

While it's disconcerting to have a team bow out 2 years in a row as favourite, it is what it is. Sometimes you run into a hot team, a hot goalie, or your have some injuries, have a few players slump, or your goalie coughs up some ill timed games. There is an element of luck to it all. Anybody can win a 7 game series, and there are cinderella teams like the Habs every year. Most often those teams eventually lose out to better built teams, and fall back to earth the next year.

I'm not really convinced there are "chokers" and "playoff performers", or "teams built for the playoffs". Players have ebbs and flows, and so do teams. One ill timed slump and your team is done for. One hot streak and you go deep.

The Leafs can't really "rebuild" at this point. They are a well built team in my opinion, and have to keep trying. It may or may not end up resulting in some significant playoff success, but either way, tearing down or trading significant pieces isn't really likely to result in a better team. Gotta ride this one out and keep trying.

But yeah, it definitely sucks.

Look on the bright side, could be a team like the Sens.