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TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009
Apr 11 @ 2:29 AM ET
It would if the discussion was about what we would have preferred over the last 5 seasons. But it was about going forward.

Honestly, I think the Sens are far better off going forward than they were about a year ago. Still not spectacular though. Not too many bad contracts (Spezza and maybe Cheechoo and Kovalev is starting to look bad, but the last 2 are only one more year), a couple of decent young players. Still a little weak in the prospect department, and their captain and best player is on his last legs. All said and done, could be worse, could be better.

The Leafs are kind of in a very different position... I see them as in a very high risk, high reward situation going forward. There are a lot of young guys with a lot of potential. I don't really see any guys that could end up as elite guys though. The most likely is probably Kadri, and I don't put that as high likelihood. If 3 or 4 of those guys (Caputi, Kadri, Stalberg, Bozak, Kulemin, Gunnarson, Aulie) really develop into something top notch, the Leafs could have a top team. But that's a lot to ask. If none of them do, the Leafs could see at least 3 or 4 more tough years.
- prock
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 12 @ 8:42 AM ET
It would if the discussion was about what we would have preferred over the last 5 seasons. But it was about going forward.

Honestly, I think the Sens are far better off going forward than they were about a year ago. Still not spectacular though. Not too many bad contracts (Spezza and maybe Cheechoo and Kovalev is starting to look bad, but the last 2 are only one more year), a couple of decent young players. Still a little weak in the prospect department, and their captain and best player is on his last legs. All said and done, could be worse, could be better.

The Leafs are kind of in a very different position... I see them as in a very high risk, high reward situation going forward. There are a lot of young guys with a lot of potential. I don't really see any guys that could end up as elite guys though. The most likely is probably Kadri, and I don't put that as high likelihood. If 3 or 4 of those guys (Caputi, Kadri, Stalberg, Bozak, Kulemin, Gunnarson, Aulie) really develop into something top notch, the Leafs could have a top team. But that's a lot to ask. If none of them do, the Leafs could see at least 3 or 4 more tough years.
- prock


Going forward, I would rather be in the playoffs and be using a draft pick in the first round
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 12 @ 8:56 AM ET
Going forward, I would rather be in the playoffs and be using a draft pick in the first round
- senstroll



I didn't think it would need explanation, but I guess there are children on the board. Going forward = next year, the year after, and the year after that. i.e. the foreseeable future.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006
Apr 12 @ 10:04 AM ET
It would if the discussion was about what we would have preferred over the last 5 seasons. But it was about going forward.

Honestly, I think the Sens are far better off going forward than they were about a year ago. Still not spectacular though. Not too many bad contracts (Spezza and maybe Cheechoo and Kovalev is starting to look bad, but the last 2 are only one more year), a couple of decent young players. Still a little weak in the prospect department, and their captain and best player is on his last legs. All said and done, could be worse, could be better.

The Leafs are kind of in a very different position... I see them as in a very high risk, high reward situation going forward. There are a lot of young guys with a lot of potential. I don't really see any guys that could end up as elite guys though. The most likely is probably Kadri, and I don't put that as high likelihood. If 3 or 4 of those guys (Caputi, Kadri, Stalberg, Bozak, Kulemin, Gunnarson, Aulie) really develop into something top notch, the Leafs could have a top team. But that's a lot to ask. If none of them do, the Leafs could see at least 3 or 4 more tough years.
- prock

Going forward, I would rather be in the playoffs and be using a draft pick in the first round.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 12 @ 10:21 AM ET
Going forward, I would rather be in the playoffs and be using a draft pick in the first round.
- hello_there



HAHAHAHAH. Shocker. I get the same stupid response from the other moron in the thread.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006
Apr 12 @ 10:31 AM ET
HAHAHAHAH. Shocker. I get the same stupid response from the other moron in the thread.
- prock

Going forward, I would rather be in the playoffs and be using a draft pick in the first round.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 12 @ 10:38 AM ET
Going forward, I would rather be in the playoffs and be using a draft pick in the first round.
- hello_there



It takes a really special person to post it twice.

Would you also like the contracts of Gomez, Gionta, Hamrlik, and Spacek taking 40% of your cap? Would you also like a crappy stable of prospects and young players going forward? Are those all things you like going forward?
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 12 @ 10:41 AM ET
Going forward, I would rather be in the playoffs and be using a draft pick in the first round.
- hello_there


....Then losing in 4 games and trading that draft pick for another 8 million dollar duster.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006
Apr 12 @ 10:52 AM ET
It takes a really special person to post it twice.

Would you also like the contracts of Gomez, Gionta, Hamrlik, and Spacek taking 40% of your cap? Would you also like a crappy stable of prospects and young players going forward? Are those all things you like going forward?
- prock

Gionta and his 28 goals in 61 games? Yeah, I'm fine with that.
Gionta > Kessel.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006
Apr 12 @ 10:53 AM ET
....Then losing in 4 games and trading that draft pick for another 8 million dollar duster.
- Holy-Mackinaw

Going forward, I would rather be in the playoffs and be using a draft pick in the first round.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Apr 12 @ 10:57 AM ET
It takes a really special person to post it twice.

Would you also like the contracts of Gomez, Gionta, Hamrlik, and Spacek taking 40% of your cap? Would you also like a crappy stable of prospects and young players going forward? Are those all things you like going forward?
- prock



Going forward, I would rather be in the playoffs and be using a draft pick in the first (potentially the first overall) and second rounds of this entry draft, and the first round of the 2011 entry draft.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007
Apr 12 @ 11:05 AM ET
I didn't think it would need explanation, but I guess there are children on the board. Going forward = next year, the year after, and the year after that. i.e. the foreseeable future.
- prock
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 12 @ 12:17 PM ET
Going forward, I would rather be in the playoffs and be using a draft pick in the first round.
- hello_there


... Then losing in 4 games and trading that 1st round pick for an 8 million dollar duster.
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 12 @ 12:20 PM ET
The Senators and Habs can't even win a season series against the Leafs.

How are they suppose to win a series against Pittsburgh and Washington?
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006
Apr 12 @ 12:28 PM ET
... Then losing in 4 games and trading that 1st round pick for an 8 million dollar duster.
- Holy-Mackinaw

I've been waiting for 6 years now to tell you that your team will get swept in the first round of the playoffs...
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 12 @ 12:31 PM ET
I've been waiting for 6 years now to tell you that your team will get swept in the first round of the playoffs...
- hello_there



You've been waiting a lot longer than that. The teams they had before the lockout never stood a shot at being swept in the first round, for about 6 or 8 years.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006
Apr 12 @ 12:39 PM ET
You've been waiting a lot longer than that. The teams they had before the lockout never stood a shot at being swept in the first round, for about 6 or 8 years.
- prock

6 years...
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 12 @ 12:43 PM ET
6 years...
- hello_there


Have fun with your future in..................Louis Leblanc
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006
Apr 12 @ 12:49 PM ET
Have fun with your future in..................Louis Leblanc
- Holy-Mackinaw

What's wrong with him?
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 12 @ 12:51 PM ET
What's wrong with him?
- hello_there


I don't know.. maybe the fact that our 6th round selection in 2009 is better than him?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 12 @ 12:57 PM ET
I don't know.. maybe the fact that our 6th round selection in 2009 is better than him?
- Holy-Mackinaw



Yeah, he is, but that's pretty damn lucky we ended up with a guy like that in the 6th round.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006
Apr 12 @ 1:03 PM ET
I don't know.. maybe the fact that our 6th round selection in 2009 is better than him?
- Holy-Mackinaw

And how is Jerry D'Amigo better than Louis Leblanc?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 12 @ 1:08 PM ET
And how is Jerry D'Amigo better than Louis Leblanc?
- hello_there


Hugely outscored him, won rookie of the year for the NCAA over Leblanc, had an exceptional world juniors which Leblanc didn't make (nearly leading the tourney, tied Taylor Hall in scoring).... And it's not like he's one of these undersized junior sensations - he's just under 6 foot, 200 pounds, and fast as hell.

I'm pretty sure he'd easily go ahead of Leblanc in the draft if it was redone.
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 12 @ 1:08 PM ET
And how is Jerry D'Amigo better than Louis Leblanc?
- hello_there


Idk

Ask the guys who chose him as the "Rookie of the Year" over Leblanc...
Or U-18 Roster which he captained to gold.
Or the U-20 Roster which he came second(or tied for first) in goals to a gold.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 12 @ 1:10 PM ET
Idk

Ask the guys who chose him as the "Rookie of the Year" over Leblanc...
Or U-18 Roster which he captained to gold.
Or the U-20 Roster which he came second(or tied for first) in goals to a gold.
- Holy-Mackinaw


He came third. 2 guys had 8, he was next at 6.
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