I spend 1/2 my time in the States. The number 1 subject for discussion by Americans about Toronto is Rob Ford. My comment is always the same. Rob Ford and Toronto are a perfect match. For the last 10 years Rob Ford and the Leafs are symbolic of a city that celebrates its losers.
- spatso

Maybe that's because they stick out here. In Ottawa, being a loser means you're just blending in with the crowd.

Sorry but your pretty far off in your understanding of the Canaduan tax situation.

http://www.theglobeandmai...not-belgian/article179294
- spatso

broken link.

So I guess all the leaf fans who come to Ottawa for tomorrow's game, can all say their collective good bye to Randy Carlye.

It's looking like Pete DeBoer may very well be brought in to get Kelly Clarkson back on track.

So I guess all the leaf fans who come to Ottawa for tomorrow's game, can all say their collective good bye to Randy Carlye.

It's looking like Pete DeBoer may very well be brought in to get Kelly Clarkson back on track.
- Doppleganger

Not a poor choice. Leafs fans are craving a bit of defensive hockey I think.

Not a poor choice. Leafs fans are craving a bit of defensive hockey I think.
- Morris

He is going to have his work cut out for him, with all the players with long term, un-tradeable contracts, who have not shown any inclination to play defensively to date.

He is going to have his work cut out for him, with all the players with long term, un-tradeable contracts, who have not shown any inclination to play defensively to date.
- Doppleganger

that's a stretch.
Off the top of my head,

Kulemin, Clarkson, Bozak, Gunnarsson are all pretty solid defensive players.

So I guess all the leaf fans who come to Ottawa for tomorrow's game, can all say their collective good bye to Randy Carlye.

It's looking like Pete DeBoer may very well be brought in to get Kelly Clarkson back on track.
- Doppleganger

That'd be pretty sweet.

that's a stretch.
Off the top of my head,

Kulemin, Clarkson, Bozak, Gunnarsson are all pretty solid defensive players.
- Morris

JVR sees PK time as well... Phaneuf has learned to be a stronger defensive guy, though he was leaned on far too much this season, Gleason is defense-first. McClement is pretty good at it to. Bolland too, if he's back.

While the players aren't the perfect group, the big problem was the disconnect between what the coach was supposed to bring, and what the team did.

JVR sees PK time as well... Phaneuf has learned to be a stronger defensive guy, though he was leaned on far too much this season, Gleason is defense-first. McClement is pretty good at it to. Bolland too, if he's back.

While the players aren't the perfect group, the big problem was the disconnect between what the coach was supposed to bring, and what the team did.
- Feeling Glucky?

yeah, I forgot you guys had gleason.

Kulemin, Mcclement, bolland are worthwhile re-ups for you guys I think.

Maybe that's because they stick out here. In Ottawa, being a loser means you're just blending in with the crowd.
- prock

A leafs fan saying that is kind of funny. Who is a bigger loser than the leafs over the last 5-10 years

A leafs fan saying that is kind of funny. Who is a bigger loser than the leafs over the last 5-10 years
- jordan456789

I'm taking about the city in general.

yeah, I forgot you guys had gleason.

Kulemin, Mcclement, bolland are worthwhile re-ups for you guys I think.
- Morris

nah, can't get all 3 re-signed and have room for defensive help, I don't think.

Kulemin moved to center late this season, and has done pretty well... I think he and McClement will be back, Bolland will be gone. Waste of a few picks when all's said and done, especially since he barely played, but he wants too much for too long for his role.

nah, can't get all 3 re-signed and have room for defensive help, I don't think.

Kulemin moved to center late this season, and has done pretty well... I think he and McClement will be back, Bolland will be gone. Waste of a few picks when all's said and done, especially since he barely played, but he wants too much for too long for his role.
- Feeling Glucky?

Yeah didn't work out well. Not a big loss though.

Its actually a pretty good situation. The number one need is a solid defensive dman. They have too many offensive guys. A guy like Gardiner or franson can be traded, opening up the cap space for one, or for one directly. And they have so manyvguys that can play that role, trading Gardiner or franson won't hurt them in the slightest bit.

Ottawa/Gatineau has been the fourth largest city in terms of population, for quite a while now.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/ca...national-growth-1.1223043
- Doppleganger

Awesome, now do Vancouver-Lower Mainland. I'll save you some trouble, it was about 1.8 million in the 90's now about 2.8 million. Again, apples and oranges.

the railways? Whoa! That's big business!
- prock

Just how stupid are you?

Just how stupid are you?
- golfingsince

Hahaha. You gonna actually try to tell me you think rail shipping is big business? Its a joke. Nothing.

Hahaha. You gonna actually try to tell me you think rail shipping is big business? Its a joke. Nothing.
- prock

Instead of looking at the value of the companies themselves, try figuring out the value of the freight they carry. You're a clown.

So I guess all the leaf fans who come to Ottawa for tomorrow's game, can all say their collective good bye to Randy Carlye.

It's looking like Pete DeBoer may very well be brought in to get Kelly Clarkson back on track.
- Doppleganger

Yup. Deboer seems to be Shanahan's choice. His team's possession stats have been great.

Yup. Deboer seems to be Shanahan's choice. His team's possession stats have been great.
- RogerRoeper

Deboer is more Ron Wilson than Carlyle. Followed him pretty close when he was with the Panthers. He can help a poor team be competitive and stay in the mix for a playoff spot. But, no evidence he can win big at the NHL level. Great junior coach.

I think Carlyle is an outstanding coach. I think front office decisions (buyouts, signings) hurt them more than coaching. Afraid the focus on Carlyle is merely a diversion from larger problems.

Instead of looking at the value of the companies themselves, try figuring out the value of the freight they carry. You're a clown.
- golfingsince

Why? I'm sure the bathroom attendants at nice restaurants give very wealthy people mints. But they're still bathroom attendants.

Also worth noting that 4 teams need to pass the Leafs in points for them to be knocked out of a playoff spot, whereas the Leafs only need to pass 2 teams to have home-ice advantage.

They're 4 points above the caps(one of the 4 teams that would need to pass them), and only 3 points behind the Lightening.

They're closer to home-ice than they are to missing the playoffs, whereas Ottawa is closer to giving Anaheim a top-5 pick, than they are to making the playoffs.

.
- Feeling Glucky?

Ends up nine teams have passed them, in less than a month, and Ottawa's pick is nowhere near being a top -5 pick, and are looking like they'll finish ahead of the leafs in the final standing of the season (closer to the playoffs than the leafs, but still golfing next week )

to answer the question, with a budget and a first round pick, still the Leafs.

to answer the question, with a budget and a first round pick, still the Leafs.
- prock

Senators ahead of leafs in standings, with a budget too, and Bobby Ryan for the pick.

So it's the Senators, again.

Senators ahead of leafs in standings, with a budget too, and Bobby Ryan for the pick.

So it's the Senators, again.
- Doppleganger

Do you think the Sens owner will spend anywhere near the cap? What happens when Bobby Ryan jumps ship next year?

Do you think the Sens owner will spend anywhere near the cap? What happens when Bobby Ryan jumps ship next year?
- prock

Well if he leaves they will trade him and get value for him. Unlike the leafs and bolland