If you look at the Clarkson, Phaneuf and Kessel deals, the problem is not the money it is the term.


- spatso

throw in Lupul and JVR contracts too.


The only two I see as trade-able (attractive to other teams) are Kessel and JVR, but doubt they will be dealt.

One team collapsed after their starter got injured.

The other was a nothing team all season, despite being healthy, and trading for rentals... and has an owner who sees the team as his piggy bank, rather than something to build. I guess getting revenue sharing cheques from the NHL is better than risking money to improve the team.

No pick, very little to be envious of on the main roster(save for their 4th forward defenseman, with less defensive awareness than Kessel), and an owner who won't spend on the team. There really isn't a way to compare Ottawa to a Toronto team other than the Marlies... except, you know, unlike both our NHL teams, they're doing well.
- Feeling Glucky?

yes, yes.....keep blaming the colapse on bernier's injury.

i hope management does the same thing, and you guys start next year with the same team.

and the leafs have SOOO much to be envious of? like perhaps the worst defence in the NHL, a handful of TERRIBLE and untradable contracts, little to no forward depth.

man, am i ever envious of your team.

it's nice that your team has money.....it's too bad nobody knows how to spend it.

throw in Lupul and JVR contracts too.


The only two I see as trade-able (attractive to other teams) are Kessel and JVR, but doubt they will be dealt.
- Doppleganger

come on man.........don't be like prock

that contract is great.

there's a lot to laugh at with the leafs..........that's not one of those things.

Do you feel that if the Sens are in the same position next year, as they were this year, at the deadline, Melnyk will approve a trade, or let bobby Ryan go to free agency in order to keep him for the stretch run at a futile attempt to collect playoff revenue?
- prock

You're so dumb.

Melnyk has nothing to do with Hockey decisions (trades) and has stated so many times.

Murray will choose what to do with Ryan, no one else.


Happy trolling!

You're so dumb.

Melnyk has nothing to do with Hockey decisions (trades) and has stated so many times.

Murray will choose what to do with Ryan, no one else.


Happy trolling!
- Doppleganger

Do you think Melnyk had nothing to do with Alfredsson walking? Murray decided to let him go himself?

yes, yes.....keep blaming the colapse on bernier's injury.

i hope management does the same thing, and you guys start next year with the same team.

and the leafs have SOOO much to be envious of? like perhaps the worst defence in the NHL, a handful of TERRIBLE and untradable contracts, little to no forward depth.

man, am i ever envious of your team.

it's nice that your team has money.....it's too bad nobody knows how to spend it.
- sensarmy_11

Leafs have a bad contract they'd like to get out of, no denying that.

But Clarkson's 5.25 isn't going to hold back the team too much. Sucks that it's so long, but every year the cap rises, that cap hit will represent a smaller and smaller percentage of the total cap that Toronto, unlike Ottawa, will spend to.

And the thing is, as bad as our defense looks... yours is still worse.

You're so dumb.

Melnyk has nothing to do with Hockey decisions (trades) and has stated so many times.

Murray will choose what to do with Ryan, no one else.


Happy trolling!
- Doppleganger

so the guy that pays the contracts doesn't have a say in the contracts?

Interesting.

Leafs have a bad contract they'd like to get out of, no denying that.

But Clarkson's 5.25 isn't going to hold back the team too much. Sucks that it's so long, but every year the cap rises, that cap hit will represent a smaller and smaller percentage of the total cap that Toronto, unlike Ottawa, will spend to.

And the thing is, as bad as our defense looks... yours is still worse.
- Feeling Glucky?

It's an awful deal.


Awful.

Do you feel that if the Sens are in the same position next year, as they were this year, at the deadline, Melnyk will approve a trade, or let bobby Ryan go to free agency in order to keep him for the stretch run at a futile attempt to collect playoff revenue?
- prock

No. Melnyk is all about the money. He is robbing the Senators piggy bank to support his other ventures. I think he is backed into a corner. He wants a coowner but nobody wants to partner with him. He will be forced to sell probably sooner than later (but, I was certain he would sell last summer). So he will do nothing that undermines the asset pool of the Senators because of the impact it would have on a possible sale price. My guess, Ryan will be a business decision based on what is most attractive to a prospective new owner. Potential buyers intuitively know that top dollar ($8m), long term contracts are not good business unless you are talking of a legitimate superstar.

Leafs have a bad contract they'd like to get out of, no denying that.

But Clarkson's 5.25 isn't going to hold back the team too much. Sucks that it's so long, but every year the cap rises, that cap hit will represent a smaller and smaller percentage of the total cap that Toronto, unlike Ottawa, will spend to.

And the thing is, as bad as our defense looks... yours is still worse. :aah:
- Feeling Glucky?

not even close

our team gave up only 9 more goals, despite having a significantly worse sv%

your defence is HISTORICALLY bad

mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey
This is a table about how Anaheim's Corsi% in seven game states changed from Carlyle to Boudreau. pic.twitter.com/b45oGkkCsK

mc79hockey ‏@mc79hockey
Basically, they fired Carlyle and a stat that doesn't usually move much got better in every single way possible.

Fire Carlyle

It's an awful deal.


Awful.
- Pecafan Fan

no doubt. If there was another compliance buyout available, they'd use it on him.

And I doubt any team is going to take it.

What I'm saying though, is it's not crippling for a team that can spend to the cap.

One team collapsed after their starter got injured.

The other was a nothing team all season, despite being healthy, and trading for rentals... and has an owner who sees the team as his piggy bank, rather than something to build. I guess getting revenue sharing cheques from the NHL is better than risking money to improve the team.

No pick, very little to be envious of on the main roster(save for their 4th forward defenseman, with less defensive awareness than Kessel), and an owner who won't spend on the team. There really isn't a way to compare Ottawa to a Toronto team other than the Marlies... except, you know, unlike both our NHL teams, they're doing well.
- Feeling Glucky?

It is strong with you, the Spin.

Spezza had back surgery over the summer, and was playing at less than 100% for at least half the season, and even took time off while recovering from it. Karlsson is still recovering from his surgery and also played the entire season at less than 100%, and the same can be said for Michalek who also had off season surgery on his knee.

Oh don't forget Ryan, who suffered an injury (requiring surgery) in mid November and played with it until the latter part of the season.



You're just grasping at straws now that the leafs ended up, looking up, at the Senators in the standings.

And blaming an injured, unproven starter as the reason the leafs choked away their lofty place (third in conference) with only 24 game to go in the season, is just ridiculous, if you actually believe that.

Do you think Melnyk had nothing to do with Alfredsson walking? Murray decided to let him go himself?
- prock

Melnyk has nothing to do with Hockey decisions (trades) and has stated so many times.

no doubt. If there was another compliance buyout available, they'd use it on him.

And I doubt any team is going to take it.

What I'm saying though, is it's not crippling for a team that can spend to the cap.
- Feeling Glucky?

it is when you add 7 mil for phaneuf, 4 for gleason, 5.25 for lupul, etc......and all (except gleason) with relatively significant term left.

the leafs deals wouldn't be SOOO bad, except that they're all so long.

leafs have almost a third of thier cap invested in phaneuf, clarkson, lupul, and gleason, for the next 2-3 years.

and that doesn't even include what they might give bolland this offseason.

Melnyk has nothing to do with Hockey decisions (trades) and has stated so many times.
- Doppleganger

come on man..........you can't be that naive.

melnyk also stated that the team loses 30 million a year, while at the same time stating that they didn't need to make the playoffs to break even.

melnyk has his paws all over hockey ops

Melnyk has nothing to do with Hockey decisions (trades) and has stated so many times.
- Doppleganger

Melnyk is a very meddling owner. He also is very, very cheap.

it is when you add 7 mil for phaneuf, 4 for gleason, 5.25 for lupul, etc......and all (except gleason) with relatively significant term left.

the leafs deals wouldn't be SOOO bad, except that they're all so long.

leafs have almost a third of thier cap invested in phaneuf, clarkson, lupul, and gleason, for the next 2-3 years.

and that doesn't even include what they might give bolland this offseason.
- sensarmy_11

still convinced he's getting 7-8 years from the Leafs eh.

I'll go as far to say that Bolland won't get more than 3 years on the open market.

throw in Lupul and JVR contracts too.


The only two I see as trade-able (attractive to other teams) are Kessel and JVR, but doubt they will be dealt.
- Doppleganger

LOL. 4.25 million per through his prime years is bad? How exactly? Teams will line-up to take JVR off their hands.

still convinced he's getting 7-8 years from the Leafs eh.

I'll go as far to say that Bolland won't get more than 3 years on the open market.
- RogerRoeper

who knows what he's gonna get...........that's why i said might.

but we all know how the leafs like to overpay for those 3rd liners.

except that he's not a 40 goal scorer.........and bergeron is 10 times the overall player kessel is. and only makes 6.5 mil
- sensarmy_11

Silly hyperbole.

it is when you add 7 mil for phaneuf, 4 for gleason, 5.25 for lupul, etc......and all (except gleason) with relatively significant term left.

the leafs deals wouldn't be SOOO bad, except that they're all so long.

leafs have almost a third of thier cap invested in phaneuf, clarkson, lupul, and gleason, for the next 2-3 years.

and that doesn't even include what they might give bolland this offseason.
- sensarmy_11

7 Mil for Phaneuf is fine. Won't be able to acquire a d-man of his quality for a cheaper contract, not without giving up a boat-load of assets to do so.

Lupul's fine. Off year, no biggie. Prior two seasons he was PPG.

Gleason, while not a great contract, isn't long term, and is a useful player. No big deal.

If the Leafs re-sign Bolland, it won't be for the 5M/8 year contract he supposedly wants. I doubt he's back.

sure he is prock, sure he is.

like i said, fat little one-dimensional winger....who crumbles under pressure.

BRUTALLY overpaid.
- sensarmy_11

You mean the guy who has 13 goals, 21 points in 22 playoff games crumbles under pressure?

Kessel has more points than any player the last 3 years. How is he overpaid? Rick Nash gets the same salary.

Silly hyperbole.
- RogerRoeper

yeah, completely silly

You mean the guy who has 13 goals, 21 points in 22 playoff games crumbles under pressure?

Kessel has more points than any player the last 3 years. How is he overpaid? Rick Nash gets the same salary.
- RogerRoeper

your comparison to show he isnt' overpaid is RICK NASH

remind me again how he produced in the stretch run this year..........