Their goal production at the pro level is almost identical.

Leivo wins in point production.

Who do you take, a guy with 29 goals, and 52 points, or a guy with 30 goals and 48?

And since spastic's so big on +/-, let's add in that the first guy is a +6, while the other is -11.
- Feeling Glucky?

so one is slightly better in goals, one is slightly better in pts........like i said, they're very comparable players. my point wasn't that one was better than the other....my point was that, as usual, prock is out to lunch claiming that leivo is WITHOUT QUESTION the far superior player who has outproduced puempel at every level.

hahaha. While I can understand why you're getting a little hurt here, what do you have to base that on? Anything? Or are you just pulling stupid crap out of your a$$?
- prock

All Leivo's assists were secondary. All puempel a were primary.

Puempel is an elite level playmaker :p

hahaha. While I can understand why you're getting a little hurt here, what do you have to base that on? Anything? Or are you just pulling stupid crap out of your a$$?
- prock

From the guy who believes Bozak is better center than Turris.

hahaha. While I can understand why you're getting a little hurt here, what do you have to base that on? Anything? Or are you just pulling stupid crap out of your a$$?
- prock

what did you have to base yoru statement that leivo drastically outproduced puempel in jr's?

or are you implying that every single one of his assists was a primary assist?

i base my opinion on logic, as in it's logical to assume that a fair number of his assists were likely secondary assits.

you base your opinions on, well, nothing..........and it's evident when your opinions are shown to wrong when acutally looking at the numbers.

All Leivo's assists were secondary. All puempel a were primary.

Puempel is an elite level playmaker :p
- Feeling Glucky?

No Puemple is a goal scorer. A very good scorer. All the other stuff is just fluff.

so one is slightly better in goals, one is slightly better in pts........like i said, they're very comparable players. my point wasn't that one was better than the other....my point was that, as usual, prock is out to lunch claiming that leivo is WITHOUT QUESTION the far superior player who has outproduced puempel at every level.
- sensarmy_11

I see. So you're willing to concede that he's been far better than Puempel at every level, just not that he's far superior.

Sure, I'll compromise. He's better. But not by far. Not really close, not too far. Kind of like a medium distance.

Don't ever try claim I'm not reasonable.

Well, I'm sure if Lazar had been good enough to make the u18s, you'd care


Edit: and the league Nylander played in the most when he wasn't in the super-elit was the Swedish equivalent of the AHL, so still a professional men's league, not a junior team. And he was over ppg there.
- Feeling Glucky?

i have a hard time believing that the "AHL" of the swedish elite leauge is any better than the CHL. i believe that the players are older, but probably less skilled.

so one is slightly better in goals, one is slightly better in pts........like i said, they're very comparable players. my point wasn't that one was better than the other....my point was that, as usual, prock is out to lunch claiming that leivo is WITHOUT QUESTION the far superior player who has outproduced puempel at every level.
- sensarmy_11

I was pointing out that the laughies were unnecessary on your part.

Leivo could very well be better than puempel, or the other way around.



But I highly doubt you'll find too many GMs willing to trade a guy who projects to be a 2nd/3rd liner, who's never played against men for a guy who projected to be a top 6 player, who's already shown he can produce in professional leagues

From the guy who believes Bozak is better center than Turris.
- spatso

He is. You'll figure that out this year.

i have a hard time believing that the "AHL" of the swedish elite leauge is any better than the CHL. i believe that the players are older, but probably less skilled.
- sensarmy_11

Well, of course you'd believe that

He is. You'll figure that out this year.
- prock

Come on you say this kind of stuff every year

what did you have to base yoru statement that leivo drastically outproduced puempel in jr's?

or are you implying that every single one of his assists was a primary assist?

i base my opinion on logic, as in it's logical to assume that a fair number of his assists were likely secondary assits.

you base your opinions on, well, nothing..........and it's evident when your opinions are shown to wrong when acutally looking at the numbers.
- sensarmy_11

I'm asking you what you based that on. You haven't answered. You just deflected. It would have been a lot easier for you, if you just answered "yes, I was talking out of my a$$".

what did you have to base yoru statement that leivo drastically outproduced puempel in jr's?

or are you implying that every single one of his assists was a primary assist?

i base my opinion on logic, as in it's logical to assume that a fair number of his assists were likely secondary assits.

you base your opinions on, well, nothing..........and it's evident when your opinions are shown to wrong when acutally looking at the numbers.
- sensarmy_11

Don't try and argue logic with them. This is their answer to the Leafs losing both games last night. They fudge, deflect and avoid. They prefer to discuss details rather than substance. They believe the Leafs have always finished ahead of the Sens in the standings, just like last year.

Come on you say this kind of stuff every year

- top shelf 15

Yes, I've said stuff like "I'd rather have Kadri than Cowen", every year. And those have turned out to be wise things.

You guys have only been yapping about Turris for half a season, as he cracked 40 points for the first time in his career. Which isn't anything special to begin with. But I guess with nothing else to cling on to, Sens fans clung on to him.

Don't try and argue logic with them.
- spatso

For your own sake, that's good advice.

I'm asking you what you based that on. You haven't answered. You just deflected. It would have been a lot easier for you, if you just answered "yes, I was talking out of my a$$".
- prock

actually, i told you exactly what i based it on...........logic. unless, like i said, you believe all his assits were primary assits.

it seems fair to base my opinion on that, since every opinion you have has virtually no evidence to back it up, and in fact, often times the numbers show the exact opposite.

Yes, I've said stuff like "I'd rather have Kadri than Cowen", every year. And those have turned out to be wise things.

You guys have only been yapping about Turris for half a season, as he cracked 40 points for the first time in his career. Which isn't anything special to begin with. But I guess with nothing else to cling on to, Sens fans clung on to him.
- prock

You realize Kadri was on the ice for all 3 goals scored by the B Sens? In the same game Cowen played 24 minutes and ended the night +1.

Yes, I've said stuff like "I'd rather have Kadri than Cowen", every year. And those have turned out to be wise things.

You guys have only been yapping about Turris for half a season, as he cracked 40 points for the first time in his career. Which isn't anything special to begin with. But I guess with nothing else to cling on to, Sens fans clung on to him.
- prock

Iam bored

actually, i told you exactly what i based it on...........logic. unless, like i said, you believe all his assits were primary assits.

it seems fair to base my opinion on that, since every opinion you have has virtually no evidence to back it up, and in fact, often times the numbers show the exact opposite.
- sensarmy_11

The majority of his ahl assists were primary by a wide margin. Can you say the same about puempel?

You realize Kadri was on the ice for all 3 goals scored by the B Sens? In the same game Cowen played 24 minutes and ended the night +1.
- spatso

You give way, way too much importance to a preseason game.

Yeah cant see it tbh .Why would LA fix something that isnt broken
- top shelf 15

my thoughts too.

Right now, Nylander > Lazar.
- prock

A quick look at each players resumes' tell a different story.

One player has gone all the way in the CHL and the Memorial Cup........both the great preperation for the NHL, the other has little playing time in the North American environment



William Nylander
Center
Born May 1 1996 -- Calgary, ALTA
Height 5.11 -- Weight 174 -- Shoots R


Selected by Toronto Maple Leafs round 1 #8 overall 2014 NHL Entry Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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2012-13 Sodertalje SK Swe-1 8 4 2 6 2
2013-14 Sodertalje SK Swe-1 17 11 8 19 6
2013-14 Rogle BK Swe-1 18 4 4 8 10
2013-14 Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik SweHL 22 1 6 7 6 -- -- -- -- --
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Curtis Lazar
Center
Born Feb 2 1995 -- Vernon, BC
Height 6.00 -- Weight 205 -- Shoots R


Selected by Ottawa Senators round 1 #17 overall 2013 NHL Entry Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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2010-11 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 6 0 1 1 0 4 1 0 1 0
2011-12 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 63 20 11 31 56 20 8 11 19 4
2012-13 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 72 38 23 61 47 22 9 2 11 20
2013-14 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 58 41 35 76 30 21 10 12 22 12

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A quick look at each players resumes' tell a different story.
- Doppleganger

One has played professional hockey.

the other hasn't.

End of story.

Rundblad > Turris

A quick look at each players resumes' tell a different story.
- Doppleganger

It really just depends on what you feel is more important.

Success at the pro level or success at the junior level.

Success at the pro level favours both Nylander and Leivo

Success at the junior level favours Puempel and Lazar